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spikenigma posted:Yeah, I'm sure you're right. You just have to weed through the poorly explained hyperbole.
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Mo0 posted:How is that relevant to the idea of "Christ these jokes are old, ugh"? Again, it's possible to dislike a joke for reasons other than their broader political points. Well the jokes about shoes and blouses were pretty old too, but people are still getting pissed about them.
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Mar 12, 2014 16:09
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LeJackal posted:Which is more offensive: 'your group likes pretty clothes and shoes' or 'your group is genetically driven to murder and rape'? I didn't say one was more acceptable than the other? I focused on the jokes about women in my original post because the episode spends more time making them than it does making jokes about the alien men. Any humor that depends on blanket "women are x/men are y" statements is drawing from a well that ran dry in the early 90s, if not much, much earlier. It's just tired and boring.
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Mar 12, 2014 16:12
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LeJackal posted:Well the jokes about shoes and blouses were pretty old too, but people are still getting pissed about them. I'm not saying it's not possible to be offended for those reasons. Spikenigma was asserting that being irritated by an old joke puts you in the same category as a "tumblrite", which, no, it doesn't.
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Mar 12, 2014 16:13
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Material is only a part of comedy, delivery is equally important.
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Rosa Gallica posted:Any humor that depends on blanket "women are x/men are y" statements is drawing from a well that ran dry in the early 90s, if not much, much earlier. It's just tired and boring. Were you born in the early 90s or something? I'm pretty sure "men and women are different" has been a source of humor since the dawn of man. Irish Joe fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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Mar 12, 2014 16:23
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Irish Joe posted:Were you born in the early 90s or something? I'm pretty sure "men and women are different" has been a source of human since the dawn of man. Hey the early '90s called, they want you to stop taking all their credit for ruining comedy tropes. Was the "hey the blank called" joke old and played out as hell, material wise? Yes. Was it still hilarious as delivered in the show? Yes. But how is that possible if it is a played out joke from the 90s? How can such a thing be?
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Mar 12, 2014 16:26
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* Guys, guys. Let's just all relax and drop it. It's an awesome show. Some people (it's fair to say) are, shall we say, easily offended, no matter the context based on their particular reflexive...shall we say...triggers.  Some just get mad at a gender joke they think has been rehashed too many times, but are totally not that first set of people.Let's all just agree to drop it. * 'Guys' used to denote any and all genders
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Mar 12, 2014 16:30
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A_Raving_Loon posted:And even after farting all over everyone's day, he still gave Summer the spaceship. I think, on a better day (and a future episode) he'll be fair about bringing her along for some high-concept rigmarole. Assuming that most of the intro is made of clips from episodes (since we've seen Jerry shooting the mantises and Rick's alien-demon-family-from-another-dimension's-future tackling him) then we can probably guess that Summer will be in on whatever Cthulhu hijinks end up happening.
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Mar 12, 2014 16:31
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The only thing people have been saying is that it's kind of pathetic that they couldn't invent some new jokes since Futurama did exactly the same thing in 2001. That's an apolitical statement. If they do an episode just like A Big Piece of Garbage people are going to note that too.
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Mar 12, 2014 18:22
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Pick posted:The only thing people have been saying is that it's kind of pathetic that they couldn't invent some new jokes since Futurama did exactly the same thing in 2001. That's an apolitical statement. If they do an episode just like A Big Piece of Garbage people are going to note that too. Well the problem is that the jokes aren't the same and the setting is entirely different, but people in and outside of this thread are either unwilling or unable to look at anything presented to them in any but the most shallow of views.
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Mar 12, 2014 19:06
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LeJackal posted:Well the problem is that the jokes aren't the same and the setting is entirely different, but people in and outside of this thread are either unwilling or unable to look at anything presented to them in any but the most shallow of views. The jokes are exactly the same, but I'm sorry pointing that out apparently has to come with a trigger warning or something. It's no big deal, the show was good but they've had far more original and interesting jokes in the past, and even in that particular episode.
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Mar 12, 2014 19:14
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Drifter posted:The jokes are exactly the same, but I'm sorry pointing that out apparently has to come with a trigger warning or something. I guess I missed the WNBA joke, or the ones about Rick getting hosed to death. What about the gag where Rick fucks his way out of the situation? I missed that one too.
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Mar 12, 2014 19:18
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All threads based around Harmon shows inevitably become like this. WHYYYYYYYYYY 
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Mar 12, 2014 19:20
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:All threads based around Harmon shows inevitably become like this. Because people are dumb and refuse to think about anything past their first fleeting impressions gained through a haze of lazy thoughtlessness and generally insipid groupthink.
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Mar 12, 2014 19:25
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LeJackal posted:Because people are dumb and refuse to think about anything past their first fleeting impressions gained through a haze of lazy thoughtlessness and generally insipid groupthink. Goddamn you are insufferable.
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Mar 12, 2014 19:37
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LeJackal posted:I guess I missed the WNBA joke, or the ones about Rick getting hosed to death. What about the gag where Rick fucks his way out of the situation? I missed that one too. You're sure missing a lot over here. Like the point.
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Mar 12, 2014 19:38
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:All threads based around Harmon shows inevitably become like this. Because nerds. Really that's it. This happens in all the nerd-friendly TV shows. Look at a dumb show like True Blood and compare the level of discussion among fans to nerd friendlier stuff like this show, Game Of Thrones, Community, Breaking Bad. Rick and Morty isn't the smartest thing ever, but even being kind of a smart tv show in the wasteland of television is going to invite overanalysis from the fans, because the fans are neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerds.
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Mar 12, 2014 19:41
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Also it's low hanging crit, and people just want to say something. It's not overanalyzing, it's literally one step above noticing things.
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Mar 12, 2014 19:58
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Drifter posted:The jokes are exactly the same, but I'm sorry pointing that out apparently has to come with a trigger warning or something. Perfectly said. Doesn't even ruin the episode for me. Just brought it down a couple of notches. Still 100% with this thing.
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Mar 12, 2014 20:04
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CelticPredator posted:Perfectly said. Doesn't even ruin the episode for me. Just brought it down a couple of notches. Still 100% with this thing. Why do you even bother watching anything, since its all exactly the same as things you've seen before?
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Mar 12, 2014 20:06
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Hahaha. Oh man. This thread is going to go places.
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CelticPredator posted:Hahaha. Oh man. This thread is going to go places. I'm serious. Every single episode of this show has had its premise done before, so why are you bothering to watch? According to you all the jokes are the same, so why are you bothering with this old, trite comedy?
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Mar 12, 2014 20:13
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CelticPredator posted:Hahaha. Oh man. This thread is going to go places. I just assume the jackal is either 14 or just started smoking pot (maybe both).
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Mar 12, 2014 20:13
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Don't think about it.
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http://youtu.be/jLKnCeeAW48
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Mar 12, 2014 20:23
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LeJackal posted:I'm serious. Every single episode of this show has had its premise done before, so why are you bothering to watch? According to you all the jokes are the same, so why are you bothering with this old, trite comedy? I'll bite, because, why not? Before I get into this, please find my post where I said this. quote:According to you all the jokes are the same Thank you. Anyway. That plot has never worked with me. Not because of any social justice issue, it's always been boring to me. I've seen the Futurama episode, and I'm not a fan of that one either. Having said that, the writing, was perfectly fine. Rick as a character, was fun to watch in that kind of place. But the real gold for me was the Morty story. That was what I enjoyed. It's the one I'm still thinking about. Because they took a silly idea, and grounded it to a point where it was really poignant as well as hilarious. That's why this show is great. It mixes jet black dark humor with brilliantly crafted bits of drama. People have tried, but most have failed. Rick and Morty succeeded. They may do a storyline I'm not a fan of...but so what? Just because I didn't love it, doesn't mean I hated it.
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LeJackal posted:I guess I missed the WNBA joke, or the ones about Rick getting hosed to death. What about the gag where Rick fucks his way out of the situation? I missed that one too. Hey, don't mock the WNBA. They no can dunk, but good fundamentals.
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CelticPredator posted:I'll bite, because, why not? CelticPredator posted:
Emphasis mine. Are you saying that you don't share that exact opinion? It wouldn't be 'perfectly said' if you disagreed with it, would it? We should be glad that RaM took a tired cliche and did some different and interesting things with it, instead of just retreading the same ground as everyone else. LeJackal fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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Actually, I didn't notice that part. But I still didn't 'say' it. So..ya know. Semitics and such. What's the opposite of Wubba Lubba Lubba Dub Dub ladies and gentleman?
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CelticPredator posted:Actually, I didn't notice that part. Why are you bothering to defend yourself against accusations of being inattentive? LeJackal fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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Mar 12, 2014 21:05
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Maybe it's just me, but this is the second really polarizing episode and also the second one where Rick does a goofy catchphrase and breaks the fourth wall, isn't it? I don't know if that warrants guessing that there's a writers' room discussion over the plots and someone saying, "Just have Rick say something goofy and address the audience as an acknowledgement that controversial elements of this episode were not to be taken seriously."
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I would argue and say it's not so much polarizing, but more so people have an issue with a story that's been done a few times before. Justin talked about the Inception South Park episode, and how they realized they made the same kind of parody/story/joke in Lawnmower Dog. Justin was frustrated. Honestly, aside from throwing in Freddy Kruger at the end, it wasn't really the same. And it's not like putting Freddy in Inception is that radical of a concept. But even if you took issues with that story line, the Lawnmower dog was amazing, and made the whole episode worth it. Same with this one.
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CelticPredator posted:From the AMA from last night. This stuff about Beth is fascinating. I hope there's an episode in the future that focuses on Rick's ex-wife and what his relationship with her was like.
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CelticPredator posted:I would argue and say it's not so much polarizing, but more so people have an issue with a story that's been done a few times before. Same Joke? Maybe. But Lawnmower Dog was actually good.
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Mar 12, 2014 23:25
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MariusLecter posted:Same Joke? Maybe. But Lawnmower Dog was actually good. Lawnmower dog was great.
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Drifter posted:Lawnmower dog was great. Those jokes were done before, so it must be boring garbage.
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MariusLecter posted:Same Joke? Maybe. But Lawnmower Dog was actually good. Those are Justin's words, not mine. http://splitsider.com/2013/12/talking-to-dan-harmon-and-justin-roiland-about-their-new-adult-swim-show-rick-and-morty/ quote:Roiland: In terms of visiual look, no. People are gonna say that it's got similarities to Regular Show, but that's just my style, J.G. [Quintel]'s style and even like Penn Ward. You'll notice mouths are kind of similar and teeth are similar, but I think that's also a stylistic thing that… all of us are kind of the same age, and we're all inspired by The Simpsons and all these other shows we're kind of subconsciously tapping into. But then of course, when we write stories, we go out of our way to make sure what we're doing is original and unique. The worst thing is if we're halfway through breaking a story and somebody in the writers' room goes, "Oh poo poo, you guys. I just Googled what we're writing or I just found that this exists in another [show]." We're just like, "[groans]" We immediately are running away from the thing we've just been working on. Definitely that's the worst, to discover that something you're doing has already been done. Lawnmower Dog is my favorite episode. And LeJackal, why do you have to take things to cartoonish extremes? It's weird. No one here is even going after the show. We all love it unconditionally. CelticPredator fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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CelticPredator posted:Lawnmower Dog is my favorite episode. I think I'm going to agree with you here. CelticPredator posted:And LeJackal, why do you have to take things to cartoonish extremes? It's weird. No one here is even going after the show. We all love it unconditionally. Complex reasons surrounding my disability.
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LeJackal posted:Complex reasons surrounding my disability. Which is..?
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