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The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*
If you're going to throw a jump ball why would it ever be to anyone other than Calvin Johnson?

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Regnevelc
Jan 12, 2003

I'M A GROWN ASS MAN!

The Puppy Bowl posted:

If you're going to throw a jump ball why would it ever be to anyone other than Calvin Johnson?

Just imagine those hail marys.

DupaDupa
May 21, 2009

I'm Samurai Mike
I stop 'em cold.

The Puppy Bowl posted:

If you're going to throw a jump ball why would it ever be to anyone other than Calvin Johnson?

I can tell you right now that an offense of nothing but jump ball receivers is really fun and awesome.

Groucho Marxist
Dec 9, 2005

Do you smell what The Mauk is cooking?

The Puppy Bowl posted:

If you're going to throw a jump ball why would it ever be to anyone other than Calvin Johnson?

I thought this thread thinks you're bad if you throw jump balls to one guy a lot

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

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The Puppy Bowl posted:

If you're going to throw a jump ball why would it ever be to anyone other than Calvin Johnson?

I think Evan's jump ball only stereotype is wearing away. His gauntlet at the combine was fantastic. He'll be valuable as a split end muscle player, a guy who takes the opposing CB 3 yards back then cuts in whenever the weakside LB blitzs.

Lee's game is much more suited for the Z. He runs every route with crisp quickness, you can't as for much better out of a rookie really. He belongs on a team like the Jags or the Jets, one that will give him a shot at the #1 role.

TheGreyGhost
Feb 14, 2012

“Go win the Heimlich Trophy!”

Doltos posted:

Evans is raw but is definitely the superior physical specimen. Lee was never going to test well at the combine, everyone knew that. He wasn't going to measure well, either. Lee's game comes from his actual ingame prowess in which he's just fantastic. He reminds me of a quicker Brian Robiskie, who was also a force in college but flatlined in the NFL.

Brian Robiskie was never a force. He was a very adequate possession receiver for one year where we played an easy schedule. Seriously, his junior year was that year we played LSU in the title game and prior to that game we had played 4 ranked teams (Purdue, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan) none of which were ranked above 19, and he still didn't crack 1000 yards, and that's his career best season. The next year he got shut down in every serious game other than the fiesta bowl and Penn State, where Texas was loading like 9 guys in the box to keep Pryor from running wild and Penn State's top corner was hurt. Anyone who expected Robiskie to be good didn't watch his tape at all. Then the Browns drafted him, and it became even more apparent that he would never have the tools to separate in the NFL. He'll be a great receivers coach some day.

Marquise Lee on the other hand torched the Pac-12 for two years before having a semi-down year when USC's quarterbacking went in the shitter this year. He actually consistently separates, and his lack of production was equal parts injury/QBs not getting the ball to him rather than being ineffective. Lee is a lot closer to a Greg Jennings type guy who isn't going to test exceptionally well but consistently does everything expected of him in the position.

dont hate the playa
May 12, 2009
With the signings the Falcons had today everyone is speculating a change to 3-4. Knowing nothing about college players and assuming Clowney is gone, who fits better in that system, Mack or Barr?

smuggler
Apr 23, 2007
INSULTING THE PACKERS IS NOT AGAINST FORUM RULES, MORON


Pretty sure Barr is preferable as a 3-4 or OLB.

Elotana
Dec 12, 2003

and i'm putting it all on the goddamn expense account
Evans does a lot more than jump balls, everyone just focuses on those because that's how he racked up those sexy 275 yard games vs Alabama and Auburn, but he has plenty of value beyond that. He's loving tough for corners to bring down when his feet are set and turns a lot of 4-yard stick routes into first downs. He's also a really good blocker.

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!
http://msn.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/adam-muema-running-back-who-left-combine-because-god-told-him-to-goes-on-bizarre-twitter-rant-031114

STOP TWEETING, ADAM

DupaDupa
May 21, 2009

I'm Samurai Mike
I stop 'em cold.
Emery pretty much just confirmed that the Bears will be taking a QB in the draft.

God I hope its not at 14 overall though.

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

DupaDupa posted:

Emery pretty much just confirmed that the Bears will be taking a QB in the draft.

God I hope its not at 14 overall though.

Yep. Speaking of, who gets the coveted role of Jay Cutler's backup now? Who was their 3rd stringer?

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Shath Hole posted:

Yep. Speaking of, who gets the coveted role of Jay Cutler's backup now? Who was their 3rd stringer?

JORDAN PALMER

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

Dexo posted:

JORDAN PALMER

:ughh:

Grozz Nuy
Feb 21, 2008

Welcome to Moonside.

Wecomel to Soonmide.

Moonwel ot cosidme.
What's Caleb Hanie doing these days

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Shrug. Jordan Palmer can run the offense that McCown was running.


Throw Screens to Forte and throw slants and jump balls to Alshon and Brandon.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Grozz Nuy posted:

What's Caleb Hanie doing these days

Hopefully sitting with a shotgun in his mouth.

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

Dexo posted:

Shrug. Jordan Palmer can run the offense that McCown was running.


Throw Screens to Forte and throw slants and jump balls to Alshon and Brandon.

Yeah, you are probably right there.

Febreeze
Oct 24, 2011

I want to care, butt I dont

Someone broke his brain

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Febreeze posted:

Someone broke his brain

the man who hit him with the baseball bat, presumably

pangstrom
Jan 25, 2003

Wedge Regret

Alouicious posted:

the man who hit him with the baseball bat, presumably
TBI increases your schizophrenia chance by 60% so it's possible. And maybe the subsequent football hits didn't help.

Then again sometimes schizophrenia just happens. Or maybe he's bipolar who knows. Football isn't the most important thing here obviously but in the context of the thread: If he's bipolar there is a decent chance he could be medicated and feel okay / have a football career. Schizophrenia, yeah not much chance.

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know

pangstrom posted:

TBI increases your schizophrenia chance by 60% so it's possible. And maybe the subsequent football hits didn't help.

Really? I would be interested to see where/how you drew this conclusion.

Shangri-Law School
Feb 19, 2013

pangstrom posted:

TBI increases your schizophrenia chance by 60% so it's possible. And maybe the subsequent football hits didn't help.

Huh? Did you do this study yourself? I've never heard anything about that.

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

I found this on the internet

http://m.livescience.com/15659-traumatic-brain-injury-increases-schizophrenia-risk.html

pangstrom
Jan 25, 2003

Wedge Regret
Yeah that's the one (though I came across it in a summary paper that cited the article that is being cited in that story)
http://schizophreniabulletin.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/3/642.abstract

Truther Vandross
Jun 17, 2008

Roasted Donut posted:

The homer in me wants Allen Robinson on the Steelers so loving bad. I kind of hope they draft two wide receivers because I like this class so much, that would require them to trade back at some point to get some extra picks though which probably won't happen

I could see them trading down in the first depending on how things go. Clinton-Dix is out after the Mitchell signing so if, say, Dennard and Gilbert are gone by #15, I could see them trading down and taking Roby or Nix if he's there later on.

I just hope they don't take Taylor Lewan.

Parmesan Basil
Nov 12, 2008

TIME IS THE FIRE IN WHICH WE BURN THE GAME CLOCK
So now who do the Bucs draft? Got a DE, a CB, an OT. Who's even left?

Truther Vandross
Jun 17, 2008

Parmesan Basil posted:

So now who do the Bucs draft? Got a DE, a CB, an OT. Who's even left?

Khalil Mack

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe

Parmesan Basil posted:

So now who do the Bucs draft? Got a DE, a CB, an OT. Who's even left?

Slapping a redshirt on Bortles would be my guess

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Kiper's Mock 3.0 has Kalil Mack as #1.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2014&source=mel-kiper-mock-draft&version=3

ESPN posted:

1. Khalil Mack Houston Texans
Analysis: The Texans are in some ways like Kansas City drafting at No. 1 last year in that they don't fit the profile of a team drafting so high. The personnel situation isn't terrible; the defense can keep them in games; they have a new head coach who has a good track record with quarterbacks and may not be content to wait on a rookie QB to develop when he could be winning. Mack is a fit in most systems, but he'd excel in this system as a pass-rusher and a player who can back up and make plays in space and to the edges. Houston hasn't been active in free agency, but Mack can fill a role and be a key contributor early for a team that can start winning again. And it's been almost a full year since a player from the MAC went No. 1, right?

2. Greg Robinson St. Louis Rams
Analysis: Even with the strange change of direction on Rodger Saffold, given the concerns about Jake Long's ability to stay healthy, starter ability at tackle is still a major question, and the Rams can't afford to be thin up front in 2014. I think this is an obvious spot where a trade could happen, but if you have the chance to draft a potential star at tackle in the same year you need to find out if the QB you've paid a lot of money is worth it, you may not want to overthink it. Robinson can be a special player, and the Rams would improve up front with him around, starting in Week 1.

3. Jadeveon Clowney Jacksonville Jaguars
Analysis: The Jags have done some work in free agency, with the addition of versatile defensive lineman Red Bryant among the notables. And while they need a quarterback, I don't think they'd pass on the most talented player in the draft if he's around at No. 3. The Jags decided to re-sign Chad Henne, and while I don't think they did so based on the idea he's an immovable object at starter, I do think they believe they can win football games with him starting if they improve everywhere else. And Clowney certainly improves a pass rush that we've been talking about as a draft priority for way too long.

4. Blake Bortles Cleveland Browns
Analysis: The Browns have already released Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell. In other words, the writing is on the wall and the depth chart has a pretty big vacancy. So they'll keep Brian Hoyer as a possible starter and draft a QB at this spot knowing it's not such a bad place for a young QB to succeed, given their ability to pass-block up front and the fact that they have some dangerous weapons in the passing game in Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron. Yes, I can see either Teddy Bridgewater or Johnny Manziel here, but this is a bet on where the Browns end up after evaluating all of them closely.

5. Teddy Bridgewater Oakland Raiders
Analysis: The Raiders are actively trying to improve the offensive line in free agency, the Rodger Saffold soap opera not withstanding. Austin Howard is the one name in the fold so far. This is a possible trade-down slot given the many personnel needs this team still has, but it'd be hard to pass on the most NFL-ready QB in the draft, and a player who could help turn the franchise around. The current QB depth chart in Oakland simply doesn't promise much, so Bridgewater has the potential to play early and not just survive, but change the fortunes and direction of the franchise.

6. Jake Matthews Atlanta Falcons
Analysis: The Falcons needed to improve along the line on both sides of the ball, and while they've taken a step to upgrade their run defense in free agency with the additions of Tyson Jackson and Paul Soliai, the offensive line still needs work, and Matthews can come in ready to player on either side. Draft, start and throw away the key. I know a pass-rusher could also come into play here, but Matthews seems like an easy call.

7. Sammy Watkins Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Analysis: The Bucs are going to be good on the defensive side of the ball. They've added a good defensive end in Michael Johnson and a good cornerback in Alterraun Verner, and they may not be done. But they also have uncertainty at QB even with the addition of Josh McCown. And whether it's McCown or second-year option Mike Glennon, another weapon in the passing game will help, and Watkins becomes a pretty good value at this point. His experience implies a player ready to succeed early; the offense will get a bump from his presence.

8. Johnny Manziel Minnesota Vikings
Analysis: As I talk to teams, I get the sense there's a great deal of uncertainty around the quarterbacks in this draft. But there's a point where uncertainty turns into a reasonable bet, and Manziel at this point on the board is closer to the latter. There are some decent weapons in place in Minnesota for Manziel. There's a great deal of uncertainty on the defensive side of the ball here, but it doesn't outweigh the questions at QB. Manziel could be the solution and, drafted here, there's no question he'd come in with a chip on his shoulder.

9. Taylor Lewan Buffalo Bills
Analysis: I like Cordy Glenn, but protection was still a problem for the Bills last year, so I have them placing a higher priority on keeping EJ Manuel upright and shifting their attention to the deep class of wide receivers in Round 2 or 3. I've said more than once that I think Lewan could have graded out as the top tackle last year if he chose to enter the draft, and while he has the prototypical length as a pass-blocker, he really gets after it as a run-blocker.

10. Mike Evans Detroit Lions
Analysis: After the Lions signed Golden Tate, the obvious reaction is to think they go another direction here. I'll counter and say that the Lions didn't just need one wide receiver, they needed two, and I'd also say that while Tate is a nice addition, he doesn't do much to ease the worry of what this offense looks like when Calvin Johnson isn't healthy. The Lions shouldn't be done at this position, and I think Evans is too good to pass up here. Tate's presence doesn't mean this is no longer a need.

11. Anthony Barr Tennessee Titans
Analysis: Barr has seen his stock slip some, but he put together a good pro day, and gives the Titans another pass-rusher aside from Derrick Morgan. In general, drafting the best possible player supersedes need unless the value lines up with need pretty well, but this is a spot where the needs are multiple and I can just see the team taking the best player. Barr can provide an early impact.

12. Eric Ebron New York Giants
Analysis: The Giants are essentially without a decent tight end with Brandon Myers now in Tampa Bay. Ebron fixes that situation pretty quickly, and gives Eli Manning the kind of target I'm not sure he's really ever had when you consider the size, speed and pass-catching combination Ebron offers. The Giants also need a linebacker here, but I don't see the value lining up with the pick slot anymore -- and they haven't traditionally hit that spot in Round 1, anyway. Ebron is a player I can see landing in the top 10, so the value is pretty good here.

13. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix St. Louis Rams
Analysis: The Rams need another wide receiver, but if Evans isn't on the board here, they could also address another big need and grab Clinton-Dix to come in and start at free safety. Clinton-Dix has great range after playing center field in Nick Saban's Cover 1, and will come in ready to make an impact in coverage. Obviously, depending on the grade, St. Louis could also go with a player like Odell Beckham Jr. or Marqise Lee at this spot.

14. Aaron Donald Chicago Bears
Analysis: The Bears have already added Lamarr Houston in free agency, but that's just a starting point on this defensive line, which is still thin and was absolutely gutted by injury last season. Donald equals disruption, and no player was more of a force against opposing offenses in college football last season. He's had a good combine and a good Senior Bowl and is now worthy of this draft slot.

15. Justin Gilbert Pittsburgh Steelers
Analysis: I could see Gilbert going to the Lions at No. 10, or even the Bears at No. 14, but somebody slides a few slots further than you'd expect every year, and the Steelers could use some youth at cornerback and would benefit from Gilbert's presence in 2014. No cornerback in college football was as effective or consistent as Gilbert in 2013, and he followed it up with a strong combine.

16. Timmy Jernigan Dallas Cowboys
Analysis: DeMarcus Ware is gone, but even if he stayed the defensive line would have to be a draft priority. The D-line in Dallas needs a youth movement. If you just go on performance, Jernigan is a steal at this point in the draft and Dallas doesn't need to overthink it. But while Jernigan has good tape to fall back on, he could still be better and become a force for whoever drafts him. He's a good athlete given his size and will continue to improve his technique playing on the inside.

17. Brandin Cooks Baltimore Ravens
Analysis: The Ravens need to add another reliable target in the passing game beyond Torrey Smith, and while the diminutive Cooks doesn't fit the prototype of a "matchup problem" at wide receiver, he will be because he's so hard to cover. He's a more productive, quicker, stronger and slightly bigger Tavon Austin, and could have an early impact given all his experience. I think Baltimore could still make an addition in the passing game before the end of free agency, but this will remain a need.

18. Odell Beckham Jr. New York Jets
Analysis: Free agency factors here, but the addition of Eric Decker is only helpful, not a solution at the wide receiver position on this roster. And again, you can't overthink free agency as it relates to the draft, because the question of ceiling isn't the same. Beckham has a higher ceiling than anybody in the free-agent market, and has the kind of experience that could make him a quicker conversion than many. A great physical talent, Beckham has improved as a pass-catcher and pushed himself into this range in the draft.

19. Zack Martin Miami Dolphins
Analysis: The Dolphins have added Branden Albert in free agency, but they could draft offensive linemen for another couple of rounds here and draw no objections from me. I like Martin in this slot given his versatility and play-right-away skill set. He can start on the right side, put in time on the left as needed, and could help at guard as needed. And again: The Dolphins need help up front.

20. Darqueze Dennard Arizona Cardinals
Analysis: Free agency certainly plays a role here because the Cardinals put out a fire at left tackle with the addition of Jared Veldheer. Carson Palmer sleeps a little better at night, and the draft picture for Round 1 opens up. I like the idea of taking Dennard here. You already have Patrick Peterson and hopefully a healthy Tyrann Mathieu, but in Dennard you get another player who can play right away, doesn't get lost in a variety of coverages and will play physical and attack the line of scrimmage when you need him to. He could be gone earlier given the need at the position, but I like the fit here if he's around.

21. C.J. Mosley Green Bay Packers
Analysis: If the board breaks this way, I think the Packers are looking at the defensive side of the ball. And while I know depth on the defensive line is a concern, Mosley is a great value at this point and is a player who can step in right away at inside linebacker and improve the unit. His ability in coverage from the linebacker position surpasses that of anybody in this draft, and if he can stay healthy he's going to be an impact player early on.

22. Calvin Pryor Philadelphia Eagles
Analysis: The Eagles made a move in free agency and added Malcolm Jenkins from the Saints. In terms of starter-worthy talent at the position, I'll say that means one down and one to go. Pryor is the obvious solution here, a player who can hold his own in coverage but will come downhill against the run and be effective in the box. The Eagles are going to score points. They could use another option at wide receiver, but it's a deep draft there, and I think the focus will be on defense early.

23. Marqise Lee Kansas City Chiefs
Analysis: The Chiefs are going to be a good defense again in 2014 if they stay healthy, but there's still uncertainty on the offensive side of the ball, and while you can question the ceiling of Alex Smith at this point in his career, the Chiefs feel they can win with him and also won't be finding a better solution at this stage in the draft. But they can find Smith some help, and that's Lee, who brings a lot of refinement as a route runner and the ability to turn a short catch into a big play. And if he goes this low, the chip on his shoulder could also help.

24. Ryan Shazier Cincinnati Bengals
Analysis: I've had Shazier as a likelier second-round pick at some points, but there aren't many players in the entire draft who teams are more certain of. This is a high-floor player, an instinctive playmaker who can chase down plays sideline to sideline and gets great reads and will attack the backfield. Shazier is a little undersized, but makes up for it with instincts and an impressive ability to work through blockers. The Bengals aren't awful at linebacker, but they certainly lack speed. Shazier is a fix.

25. Bradley Roby San Diego Chargers
Analysis: The Chargers have talent up front on the defensive side of the ball, but they were exploited in the secondary for most of 2013. They simply have to upgrade the talent level. Roby does that. He gets in trouble for his coverage tactics on occasion, but I'm not sure there's a more naturally gifted player at the position in the draft. He has speed, change of direction quickness, plenty of strength and a willingness to make hits. It's about consistency at this point for Roby, but I suspect his learning curve will be impressive.

26. Kelvin Benjamin Cleveland Browns
Analysis: The Browns aren't sitting still in free agency, but they aren't going to find a pass-catcher with this high a ceiling. Benjamin could have used another year in college to refine his skills, but physically he's ready to cause problems as a perpetual matchup threat at the next level. Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron are in place, but the third amigo could do wonders.

27. Dee Ford New Orleans Saints
Analysis: The Saints have made a big bet at safety with the addition of Jairus Byrd, but while the back end of the defense is locked down, and the front is in decent shape with the growth of Cameron Jordan, John Jenkins and Akiem Hicks, the Saints could really use an edge rusher. Ford isn't a three-down player, but he can be a constant problem for offenses when he's on the field as a speed rusher. Given the QBs the Saints have to deal with, speed off the edge will be useful.

28. Cyrus Kouandjio Carolina Panthers
Analysis: There were some concerns about his medicals at the combine, but Kouandjio is going to come in healthy and ready to contribute. And it's worth remembering that he won't turn 21 until after the draft. While Kouandjio has a high ceiling, he's not merely a physical talent who could develop -- this is a kid who was battering SEC defensive linemen at the age of 19. If the health is there, so is the ceiling. It's a good bet for the Panthers at this point.

29. Ra'Shede Hageman New England Patriots
Analysis: New England obviously made a major move in free agency with the addition of Darrelle Revis, and I think the future of the defensive line could be a good place to focus their efforts. Undrafted rookies Chris Jones and Joe Vellano put in far too many reps last year, and it's time the Patriots added some ceiling at the position. Hageman is inconsistent given his physical talent, but good coaching could be the trick.

30. Kyle Fuller San Francisco 49ers
Analysis: The 49ers aren't thin in too many spots, but cornerback certainly qualifies, and they could use someone coming in ready to contribute. Fuller has been good during the evaluation process and now seems like a reasonable option this high. With Eric Reid and Antoine Bethea on the back end, CB will be a priority in the draft.

31. Chris Borland Denver Broncos
Analysis: Free agency rears its head. I actually had the Broncos taking a pass-rusher here initially, but the addition of DeMarcus Ware -- and I hope he stays healthy -- makes change an option. If you look at only the physical profile, you wouldn't consider Borland a first-round pick, but the tape tells another story. Borland isn't just a clean-up tackler, he's an instinctive attacker of the backfield, and a relentlessly instinctive player who can get on the field right away and make plays. I know for a fact there are teams that have him with a Round 1 grade. We'll see.

32. Stephon Tuitt Seattle Seahawks
Analysis: At one point I saw Tuitt as a certainty to go in Round 1. But while he's now on the edge, I think the Seahawks could develop him into something special. You see the physical profile, the versatility and the flash plays and you think he could be the next Richard Seymour. But it's not always there. That said, the Seahawks need to add depth along the defensive line after some departures. I also think the Seahawks could go with a wide receiver here.

Blitz of 404 Error
Sep 19, 2007

Joe Biden is a top 15 president
I would be so happy with Teddy

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

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I know it's getting trendy but I don't see Mack over Clowney in any way. I'm also pretty convinced the Texans are getting a QB.

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx
I wouldn't mind Mack, but ever since the Combine I've been more or less focused on Teddy and Clowney - specifically the latter. Teddy's pro day is today IIRC, so maybe that'll shake things up.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.
I'll admit that I'm not the most knowledgeable about Mack, but what does he have that would interest Houston? Clowney is clearly the better pass rusher, and they already have good linebackers, assuming Cushing doesn't go down to another knee injury. I just don't understand that prediction at all.

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

I got a taste for blown saves
Mack is a more natural fit in a 3-4 and is from what I remember pretty good in coverage when he needs to be and is absolutely up there with Clowney, if a step below, in speed and pass rushing ability

That said, if they're not going with Clowney I want them to go with Teddy

e: Also "They have good linebackers" :lol: Good joke Chich

Febreeze
Oct 24, 2011

I want to care, butt I dont
I'm seeing a lot of people talking about Ebron to the Giants and I gotta say, I'd be okay with that

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌

Febreeze posted:

I'm seeing a lot of people talking about Ebron to the Giants and I gotta say, I'd be okay with that

I sure as hell wouldn't be.

Intruder posted:

Mack is a more natural fit in a 3-4 and is from what I remember pretty good in coverage when he needs to be and is absolutely up there with Clowney, if a step below, in speed and pass rushing ability

That said, if they're not going with Clowney I want them to go with Teddy

e: Also "They have good linebackers" :lol: Good joke Chich

Mack is a classic strong side linebacker in the 4-3. Clowney's pass rushing ability is far superior and he actually dropped back in coverage a few times for the Gamecocks and looked good doing it.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Intruder posted:

Mack is a more natural fit in a 3-4 and is from what I remember pretty good in coverage when he needs to be and is absolutely up there with Clowney, if a step below, in speed and pass rushing ability

That said, if they're not going with Clowney I want them to go with Teddy

e: Also "They have good linebackers" :lol: Good joke Chich

I mean I know Cushing is excellent when healthy, and I guess Connor Barwin is gone now, and I thought there was some other guys who were good too... :smith:

When did your defense go from first to worst? :confused:

Febreeze
Oct 24, 2011

I want to care, butt I dont

Doltos posted:

I sure as hell wouldn't be.

Why not?

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Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

I got a taste for blown saves

Chichevache posted:

I mean I know Cushing is excellent when healthy, and I guess Connor Barwin is gone now, and I thought there was some other guys who were good too... :smith:

When did your defense go from first to worst? :confused:

I'll defer to Daltos on the Mack stuff I guess, I only know bits and pieces from various things I've read but haven't done a lot of research since I didn't consider him a real possibility for the Texans.

The defense was really good in 2011 because Antonio Smith, Connor Barwin, Brooks Reed, Jonathan Joseph and Kareem Jackson all had really huge years. In 2012, even though JJ Watt turned into the monster we all know and love, the rest of the defense regressed badly. Kareem still played well, but Joseph was injured, Barwin disappeared from the stat sheet, Reed looked like a flash in the pan (2013 proved it to be the case), Smith returned to his career norms. In 2013, Barwin was gone and Mercilus played well but was nothing special (he has basically no inside pass rush moves and gets ridden past the play constantly), Joseph was getting burned a lot and was possibly hiding an injury, the team's best safety Glover Quinn was gone so we could sign Ed Reed :barf:, Danieal Manning got hurt, Antonio Smith got old fast, Brooks Reed looked even worse. And of course Cushing was lost for the season early in both 2012 and 2013

e: Also the defense began committing a fuckton of penalties

e2: Oh also forgot, Brice McCain was the best slot CB in the NFL in 2011, then turned into the second coming of Jason David after he got injured in 2012

e3: Ah, one last thing. THey also traded DeMeco Ryans to the Eagles after 2011 and haven't really had a suitable replacement since then

Intruder fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Mar 13, 2014

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