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Since I just finished ADWD recently, I went back to see what this thread thought of how the Red Wedding was portrayed. I can't believe most of you thought Zombie Cat was going to show up in the next episode. That would have been such an awful way to do it, to have her pop back up while everyone's still reeling. I hope it's like it is in the book, the very last scene in S4.
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Mar 19, 2014 20:49
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Kevyn posted:Since I just finished ADWD recently, I went back to see what this thread thought of how the Red Wedding was portrayed. I can't believe most of you thought Zombie Cat was going to show up in the next episode. That would have been such an awful way to do it, to have her pop back up while everyone's still reeling. I hope it's like it is in the book, the very last scene in S4. A bunch of people thought that the Purple Wedding would happen last season as well. Sometimes things just happen like that.
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meristem posted:If you aren't, though, then the reply is even simpler: we know that Tommen was nurtured differently. He was not the heir apparent, "destined" for the position of power and so accustomed to it. Younger children in general have less connection to their parents than older ones, and more freedom. Also, Cersei may have shielded him better from Robert's influence. Blade_of_tyshalle posted:...you think Joffrey is a psychotic poo poo because of Robert's influence? I don't even know how you can come to that conclusion. It's blindingly obvious that Robert had little to do with his children and Cersei had a massive hand in moulding Joffrey into the monster we all know and love. Robert was Joffrey's role model and he's desperate to prove he's just like him. Heck, I'm not even sure he's psychotic. He's just obsessed with his idea of what a king should be and when the world (and his mother) conspires to keep him from being that, he lashes out. e: Come to think of it, Cersei does have a lot of disdain for women, so that wasn't probably just Robert's influence... DeepQantas fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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Mar 19, 2014 20:53
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Kevyn posted:Since I just finished ADWD recently, I went back to see what this thread thought of how the Red Wedding was portrayed. I can't believe most of you thought Zombie Cat was going to show up in the next episode. That would have been such an awful way to do it, to have her pop back up while everyone's still reeling. I hope it's like it is in the book, the very last scene in S4. It was a good idea. 
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DeepQantas posted:Heck, I'm not even sure he's psychotic. He's just obsessed with his idea of what a king should be and when the world (and his mother) conspires to keep him from being that, he lashes out. It's probably a couple of things. Tommen wasn't raised from birth to believe that ruling the entirety of Westeros was his gods given right, while Joffrey absolutely was. I always found his complete hatred of even the smallest distention an interesting character trait of his, given the way Robert claimed the Iron Throne. It always struck me that he was simply told that he would be king and get to rule everyone, but it seems like no one actually bothered to teach him how to be the head of state. Granted, Robert was terrible at that aspect as well. CapnAndy posted:Joffrey cut open a pregnant cat because he wanted to see the kittens. That is, like, Psychopath Warning Signs 101. This is true. Max fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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Mar 19, 2014 20:58
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Kevyn posted:Since I just finished ADWD recently, I went back to see what this thread thought of how the Red Wedding was portrayed. I can't believe most of you thought Zombie Cat was going to show up in the next episode. That would have been such an awful way to do it, to have her pop back up while everyone's still reeling. I hope it's like it is in the book, the very last scene in S4. I thought she would appear last season because I thought they would show her creation. You can't show her creation at the end of Season 4 because too much times has passed. But I forgot that GURM didn't show her creation in the book either. So they can just reveal her fully formed whenever they want. However, I think showing her come back last season would have been much better than that stupid jesus posing mosh pit scene.
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Mar 19, 2014 20:59
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DeepQantas posted:Heck, I'm not even sure he's psychotic.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:01
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Doltos posted:I hope they deviate from the book a bit and have the ghost of Ned slam Joffrey's face into the table 30 times while the onlookers get noticeably bored after a while. And then Ned proceeds to perform yet another rendition of The Rains of Castamere while Olenna rolls her eyes.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:06
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Kung Fu Jesus posted:However, I think showing her come back last season would have been much better than that stupid jesus posing mosh pit scene. That scene will be important in hindsight because it is Dany at her most optimistic and foolish. To borrow from Doctor Who that is her at her highest, right before she goes to her lowest. It's also important as a contrast to the horrific nature of the previous episode.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:07
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DeepQantas posted:Robert was Joffrey's role model and he's desperate to prove he's just like him. You can look up to someone who's largely absent from your life. That, in some ways, probably made it worse, since Joff would only really have stories about young Robert and seeing how old Robert behaved in court and such to go off of, so he was basing how kings should behave off this idealized version of his alcoholic father, the washed-up warrior who personally slew Rhaegar Targaryen on the Trident.  It certainly doesn't help when his mother spends his entire childhood whispering poison in his ear about how he needs to be strong, strong like Jaime (a knight) and cunning like Grandfather (a general). Cersei's a lovely parent, and so is Robert, and they both hosed up that kid in their own ways. But given that Tommen and Myrcella seem to be okay, Joff must have had his own issues which were exacerbated by the emotionally abusive upbringing he had.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:07
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I like tv Joffrey because he is really into history and is right about the dragons.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:15
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:You can look up to someone who's largely absent from your life. That, in some ways, probably made it worse, since Joff would only really have stories about young Robert and seeing how old Robert behaved in court and such to go off of, so he was basing how kings should behave off this idealized version of his alcoholic father, the washed-up warrior who personally slew Rhaegar Targaryen on the Trident. Again, I think it's also that he was guaranteed by right to be the king that fostered some megalomania as well. Tommen and Myrcella would not have had this issue.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:18
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I really wish we could get a prequel season where Ned and Robert are running around during Robert's Rebellion. A young Rob seems like the most ultimate bad rear end I can think of. Even alcoholic washed up Rob was still a bad rear end. I mean the dude got gored by a giant boar that he was trying to hunt drunk off his rear end then lived for a couple of days afterwards.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:18
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Doltos posted:I really wish we could get a prequel season where Ned and Robert are running around during Robert's Rebellion. A young Rob seems like the most ultimate bad rear end I can think of. Even alcoholic washed up Rob was still a bad rear end. No joke, the battle of the bells is something I really want visualized.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:19
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So if Jon Snow wargs out at the before he actually dies, and some poo poo brings him back later that outs him in his body again, has he fulfilled his oath to take the black until death and is free to be the true heir to the throne like people speculate he is?
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Mar 19, 2014 21:31
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The Wall is going to fall before the series ends, and oaths to defend it would logically end there.
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The Wall is going to fall and Jon is still going to hang around and uphold his interpretation of the "oaths" it because that is the kind of weirdo he is.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:35
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Doltos posted:I really wish we could get a prequel season where Ned and Robert are running around during Robert's Rebellion. A young Rob seems like the most ultimate bad rear end I can think of. Even alcoholic washed up Rob was still a bad rear end. What's great about this too is they even already have the actor for Robert. The guy who plays Gendry is supposed to be the mirror image of Robert in his youth. I want to see a prequel season because I want to see the heroic figure that Robert was before he won the throne.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:39
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Nelson Mandingo posted:What's great about this too is they even already have the actor for Robert. The guy who plays Gendry is supposed to be the mirror image of Robert in his youth. Well Robert was like 20 when the rebellion happened and Gendry is supposed to be like 15-16. He wouldn't quite fit into that role. Hell, look at how big Robert is portrayed as during the rebellion: 
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Mar 19, 2014 21:44
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DeepQantas posted:Robert was Joffrey's role model and he's desperate to prove he's just like him. Also of note: the only reason Joffrey orders the unconscious Bran to be killed is because he overhears Robert saying that it would be a curse to live like that. Basically, he orders an assassination 'cause daddy made it sound like a kingly thing to do. He just wants to impress his awesome warrior dad! At least, I believe that's what Tyrion figures during the Purple Wedding, since he remembers Robert saying that. We never get any more insight on that particular incident. Really fits with Joffrey's character, though. I also love the little detail that, even though Joffrey constantly calls him Hound, Sandor actually really seems to be Joffrey's only actual friend. In the books, at least. 
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Mar 19, 2014 21:48
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Yeah Robert is supposed to be huge. Not like mountain huge, but probably like the size of the guy who plays the mountain huge (since the mountain is real-life impossibly big and strong)
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Mar 19, 2014 21:49
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Doltos posted:Well Robert was like 20 when the rebellion happened and Gendry is supposed to be like 15-16. He wouldn't quite fit into that role. Hell, look at how big Robert is portrayed as during the rebellion: I agree that they wouldn't use Joe Dempsie but his age is a dumb reason to justify that since the actor is 26. Besides, it's more fun to cast well known celebs for projects that are never going to come out, it is known.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:49
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Yeah but book Robert is like 6'6, Mark Addy on the other hand is not a tall guy at all.
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Torquemadras posted:
I've never really understood why Sandor is the sworn guard for Joffrey. Is it ever explained in the books? I know that the Cleganes are bannermen to the Lannisters but Sandor's hatred towards knights seems odd that he would willingly go into that kind of work.
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Mar 19, 2014 21:56
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I don't think Sandor has a problem with "that kind of work." His problem is with the hypocrisy of men taking those solemn vows, being annointed before the Seven, the whole thing... and then being huge piles of poo poo like his brother. Being a knight doesn't mean a thing if men like Gregor can be knighted.
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Mar 19, 2014 22:03
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Season 4 costuming video. I love how Margaery's wedding dress is covered in thorns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmsDi4P-1YQ
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Yeah but book Robert is like 6'6, Mark Addy on the other hand is not a tall guy at all. I remember in the first episode when he stepped off his horse and needed that little stepping block, I thought he was a dwarf or something.
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Crisco Kid posted:Season 4 costuming video. I love how Margaery's wedding dress is covered in thorns. Lots of cool new stuff in there. Mace in costume, Gregor in costume, Jaime's hand, ...
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Targaryen offspring don't always take the Targaryen silver hair trait, particularly not if they're not incest-born Targaryens. Which should be rather obvious. Some notable Targaryen or Targaryen bastards who weren't Targ-coloured: Aegor Rivers (Bittersteel), Princess Rhaela (she was brown haired and olive skinned like Elia). There's also a few mentioned in 'The Princess And The Queen'. Baelor Breakspear as well. KKKLIP ART posted:So if Jon Snow wargs out at the before he actually dies, and some poo poo brings him back later that outs him in his body again, has he fulfilled his oath to take the black until death and is free to be the true heir to the throne like people speculate he is? Good loving Lord I hope not.
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So now GRRM is talking about maybe making a film to end the series. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/game-thrones-movies-eyed-by-689629 GRRM posted:"Do we run for seven years? Do we run for eight? Do we run for 10? The books get bigger and bigger (in scope). It might need a feature to tie things up, something with a feature budget, like $100 million for two hours. Those dragons get real big, you know."
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Mar 19, 2014 22:24
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Am I alone in thinking/hoping that something happens to King's Landing at the end of TWOW? I'd love for it to either be burnt down (as it almost has several times) or hosed up in such a way that the issue of the Iron Throne simply wont matter in ADOS. It would give the last book some real focus, and attribute to the inevitable 'now we must try to rebuild' conclusion.
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Kevyn posted:Since I just finished ADWD recently, I went back to see what this thread thought of how the Red Wedding was portrayed. I can't believe most of you thought Zombie Cat was going to show up in the next episode. That would have been such an awful way to do it, to have her pop back up while everyone's still reeling. I hope it's like it is in the book, the very last scene in S4. The reason I thought it might happen was because of how they handled Bran and Rickon "dying" in season 2. They showed them alive in the very next episode instead of revealing it in the season finale.
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Gianthogweed posted:So now GRRM is talking about maybe making a film to end the series. Jesus, anything to keep from having to finish up the drat story, eh, George?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Jesus, anything to keep from having to finish up the drat story, eh, George?
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CapnAndy posted:Desperation is good. Desperation will make him write. I hope this means we'll get the showrunners or someone else from HBO to say that it's seven seasons and it's over and GRRM has no say in it.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Jesus, anything to keep from having to finish up the drat story, eh, George? The more I read about this tings, the more Im convinced that GRRM is not going to finish with just 2 more books (if he is going to finish it at all).
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Doltos posted:Well Robert was like 20 when the rebellion happened and Gendry is supposed to be like 15-16. He wouldn't quite fit into that role. Hell, look at how big Robert is portrayed as during the rebellion: I think if someone in this thread doesn't want to see this (and the events leading up to the rebellion) they can get right the gently caress out. I want to see Robert when he had actual swagger and was willing to start a war for a woman instead of the fat oaf he ended up as.
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Robert didn't start the war.
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