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Waterhaul posted:Weird people want sexy Joker. It's why Harley Quinn still exists and her book sells ridiculously well. Urdnot Fire fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Speaking of which, should I go back and read Gotham City Sirens? I know it's Dini writing it, but every time I see a page from it, it's super loving cheesecakey.
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Mar 20, 2014 15:06
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Urdnot Fire posted:Her book is actually pretty good, too, much better than #0 or Harley's (or Ivy's) other appearances in the New 52. A lot of her popularity is probably because of the Joker, but Conner and Palmiotti are doing pretty good at making her actually funny. Yeah i've heard people say it's a fun book but the concept of Harley Quinn sells ridiculously well regardless of quality. Even the whole controversy with the suicide stuff didn't slow it's launch sales.
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Mar 20, 2014 15:35
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Waterhaul posted:Yeah i've heard people say it's a fun book but the concept of Harley Quinn sells ridiculously well regardless of quality. Even the whole controversy with the suicide stuff didn't slow it's launch sales. The controversy became a non-issue when the page was seen in context.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:56
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I'm surprised at how little noise there was when she was depicted as a mass child murderer in the villain month issue. Edit: Which was from the upcoming Suicide Squad writer and not Palmiotti/Conner who's own light-hearted series was one or two months away. I'd have been a pretty devastated seeing that if I was them. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Mar 20, 2014 19:08
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Teenage Fansub posted:I'm surprised at how little noise there was when she was depicted as a mass child murderer in the villain month issue. Not really, a lot of the complaints issued against her series stem from the villian's issue and how it doesn't mesh to have a goofy book centered around a mass child murderer.
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Mar 20, 2014 19:16
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Harley sells because she was a popular character on a popular nineties cartoon. That would keep her book afloat regardless of quality. Why Joker's Daughter is doing well I have no idea. Her current character design is atrocious, and from what I've heard, she has nothing at all to do with her original origin, where she was just a goofy fan of the Titans who pretended to be associated with various Batman villains just to get closer to them. Which would be a fun character under a decent writer, but DC would rather double down on the shock of slasher-movie Joker than do something fun.
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Mar 20, 2014 21:20
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Crossposting from the Red Hood Thread because I don't know what the gently caress:Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Pfeifer got an interview about the book on CBR and while I love what he did and he sounds pretty excited for writing the book, I'm confused for this:
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Mar 20, 2014 21:59
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Since it was on sale (and I wasn't going to purchase terrible Justice League issues to read it) I finally read Johns/Frank's Shazam run and it's actually a lot better than I expected it to be. Now there is some terrible (and racist) Johnsian Literalism and Gary Frank was not the right choice for the book but by the time it ends it leaves things with a build that I have no idea why DC haven't jumped on the perfect opportunity for a fun action book. The ending with Mr. Mind screams the perfect book for Manapul and Buccellato to jump on and do their thing.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:24
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Waterhaul posted:Gary Frank was not the right choice for the book Really? I loved the expressions he put on Captain Shazam's big dumb face.   
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Mar 20, 2014 22:48
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Teenage Fansub posted:I'm surprised at how little noise there was when she was depicted as a mass child murderer in the villain month issue. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I could've sworn there was a bunch of noise about that mass murder. Also I guess I'll be unpopular and say I just don't see what people like about Harley Quinn (the book, not the character). I really liked Conner/Palmiotti's other work, but every time I see a page posted in the funny panels thread or other places on the other internet it just reeks of... I dunno, trying too hard? Bad jokes? Or maybe it's just that the New 52 has just hosed Harley up too much (see: child murder) that my brain can't reconcile a fun/wacky book featuring this character existing.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:56
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Teenage Fansub posted:Really? I loved the expressions he put on Captain Shazam's big dumb face. The faces were fun and appropriately goofy in places but I felt overall it made the tone too dark and I don't care for the cape design or the devil/combined sins that Shazam fights. When Billy became Shazam the book should have been a lot more colourful, bright and fun. It also doesn't help that it gave me horrible flashbacks to Batman: Earth One.
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TwoPair posted:Also I guess I'll be unpopular and say I just don't see what people like about Harley Quinn (the book, not the character). I really liked Conner/Palmiotti's other work, but every time I see a page posted in the funny panels thread or other places on the other internet it just reeks of... I dunno, trying too hard? Bad jokes? Or maybe it's just that the New 52 has just hosed Harley up too much (see: child murder) that my brain can't reconcile a fun/wacky book featuring this character existing.
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Mar 20, 2014 23:05
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The new series has none of that. There's the odd moment of cartoon violence where she'll bazooka or behead one of the assassins that occasionally pop up since someone put a hit out on her, but mostly it's kinda sitcom-y with her managing an apartment building full of odd characters and joining a roller derby league and yadda yadda.
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Mar 20, 2014 23:13
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lotus circle posted:This is my general issue as well. The Suicide Squad stuff involving her just turned me off that entire series, when I was trying to give it a decent shot. She took Joker's torn off face, put it over a captive Deadshot and began talking to him like he was the Joker, ending with her making out with him while he was still wearing Joker's face. Yeah. Jesus Christ 
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Mar 20, 2014 23:22
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Speaking of Harley, she will have a one shot centered around the San Diego Comic-con and a new war-themed comic will be released on July
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Mar 20, 2014 23:49
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:a new war-themed comic will be released on July Third time's the charm!
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Mar 21, 2014 00:08
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Teenage Fansub posted:The new series has none of that. There's the odd moment of cartoon violence where she'll bazooka or behead one of the assassins that occasionally pop up since someone put a hit out on her, but mostly it's kinda sitcom-y with her managing an apartment building full of odd characters and joining a roller derby league and yadda yadda. Just like one of my Japanese animes!!
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Mar 21, 2014 00:59
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Speaking of Harley, she will have a one shot centered around the San Diego Comic-con and a new war-themed comic will be released on July And marked for Cancellation within editorial by August
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Mar 21, 2014 01:19
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Speaking of Harley, she will have a one shot centered around the San Diego Comic-con and a new war-themed comic will be released on July
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Mar 21, 2014 02:08
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Teenage Fansub posted:I thought Animal Man was kinda weak. I guess it's brave that they stuck to Cliff being dead (unless there's something to read into that spider), but it was really just a recap, sweet as Maxine telling it and Lemire's art was. Honestly, I feel like Cliff dying is where the whole series soured for me and it never recovered. Lemire was making a valiant effort towards the end but it couldn't really shake the stilted, manufactured feeling that the narrative had taken on.
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Mar 21, 2014 02:14
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Teenage Fansub posted:Really? I loved the expressions he put on Captain Shazam's big dumb face. Have him draw the Big Red Shazam pulling this face and we'll talk. 
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Mar 21, 2014 02:32
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Teenage Fansub posted:Third time's the charm! Orrrrrrrrr, Dan Didio is actually Garth Ennis. 
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Mar 21, 2014 03:31
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Know what doesn't sell! Comics with minority characters. Know what does sell! War comics!
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Mar 21, 2014 05:52
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http://www.newsarama.com/20664-new-flash-writers-wally-west-changes-not-surprise-for-the-sake-of-surprise.html Interview with the Flash's new creative team with a lot of new info about Wally.
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If Wally West didn't start out as Barry's apprentice and then grow into the role after Barry's death, is it even still Wally? What, aside from pandering, is the point of Wally's inclusion if he's nothing at all like Wally West?
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Mar 25, 2014 18:05
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:http://www.newsarama.com/20664-new-flash-writers-wally-west-changes-not-surprise-for-the-sake-of-surprise.html Everything about this interview just screams that he's black. Not a big deal or anything, I just find it funny that DC couldn't make Barry black.
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Mar 25, 2014 18:06
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WickedHate posted:If Wally West didn't start out as Barry's mentor and then grow into the role after Barry's death, is it even still Wally? What, aside from pandering, is the point of Wally's inclusion if he's nothing at all like Wally West? 
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Mar 25, 2014 18:08
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Ooops, I am an idiot. 
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Mar 25, 2014 18:13
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WickedHate posted:If Wally West didn't start out as Barry's apprentice and then grow into the role after Barry's death, is it even still Wally? What, aside from pandering, is the point of Wally's inclusion if he's nothing at all like Wally West? Nobody is anyone. You will fry your brain trying to link decades of continuity together.
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Mar 25, 2014 18:38
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You make it sound like everything DC has done since COIE is one big zen koan. What is the sound of one Donna Troy rebooting?
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WickedHate posted:If Wally West didn't start out as Barry's apprentice and then grow into the role after Barry's death, is it even still Wally? What, aside from pandering, is the point of Wally's inclusion if he's nothing at all like Wally West? My reading of that interview is that Wally is going to be brought in to become Barry's apprentice. Sure in the Pre-reboot DC, the vast majority of Wally's work as a character came after he took over the mantle of Flash. (Just like how the vast majority of Dick Grayson's character development happened after he became Nightwing.) But you can't just introduce Wally and say "oh, he's now the Flash." The reason why it worked was he was a character who had been present for years as Kid Flash, had paid his dues and inherited the mantle. But I do agree with E, that interview all but screams "Wally West is now black.". Presumably to line up with the new TV show.
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Mar 25, 2014 19:42
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HitTheTargets posted:You make it sound like everything DC has done since COIE is one big zen koan. What is the sound of one Donna Troy rebooting? Absolute silence, until the universe asks "who's Donna Troy?"
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Mar 25, 2014 20:17
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HitTheTargets posted:You make it sound like everything DC has done since COIE is one big zen koan. What is the sound of one Donna Troy rebooting? I think you just wrote Grant Morrison's next book.
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Mar 25, 2014 20:40
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Chaos Hippy posted:Absolute silence, until the universe asks "who's Donna Troy?" And we answer "who cares?"
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Mar 25, 2014 20:58
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Madkal posted:Know what doesn't sell! Comics with minority characters. Know what does sell! War comics! When's it suppose to come out/what's it called? I like war comics.
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Mar 25, 2014 20:59
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KomradeX posted:When's it suppose to come out/what's it called? I have a feeling that at least one editor at DC wishes Garth Ennis would return his calls.
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Mar 25, 2014 21:04
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Chaos Hippy posted:Absolute silence, until the universe asks "who's Donna Troy?"
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Mar 25, 2014 22:28
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WickedHate posted:If Wally West didn't start out as Barry's apprentice and then grow into the role after Barry's death, is it even still Wally? What, aside from pandering, is the point of Wally's inclusion if he's nothing at all like Wally West? I wouldn't be surprised if the creative team just had an idea for a black Kid Flash and asked whether they could call him Wally in order to keep [as many] nerds from pulling their hair out.
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I believe they answered it multiple confusing and conflicting times.
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