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Manatee Cannon posted:Not sure what that has to do with Say'ri, but ok? On closer inspection, I should've bolded the latter part of your post, as I was adressing that part on the assumption that you meant all units like that and not just Say'ri. Regarding your second statement, if you're thinking of Avatar x second-gen kids then no. I don't do pairings like that (other than to fill out the support log). If you meant something else, then I'll just say that the Gangrel pairing has something to do with Sorcerer.
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So for Apotheosis- is it necessary to max out a full complement of 20 mans, or should I just do 10+reasonably leveled supports? I want to beat it once, but I don't want to grind any more than I have to.
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Folt The Bolt posted:On closer inspection, I should've bolded the latter part of your post, as I was adressing that part on the assumption that you meant all units like that and not just Say'ri. If you just want Magic modifiers, Ricken would be the best father anyway, since Morgan gets access to all classes. You lose a small bit of Skl/Spd but that's not too hard to make up for.
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THE loving MOON posted:So for Apotheosis- is it necessary to max out a full complement of 20 mans, or should I just do 10+reasonably leveled supports? I want to beat it once, but I don't want to grind any more than I have to. 10 plus a good support crew should be enough, assuming galeforce is available as a force multiplier. Might want a couple more to be safe, since everyone will be paired up all the time, but that should work even with the turn limits.
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If you want to cheese the hard difficulty of Apothesis, having 4-5 Snipers with 3 range bows should be enough, as long as they're packed with Galeforce and Luna or some atk-boosting skill with S rank.
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THE loving MOON posted:So for Apotheosis- is it necessary to max out a full complement of 20 mans, or should I just do 10+reasonably leveled supports? I want to beat it once, but I don't want to grind any more than I have to. It's possible with just Chrom and a Female Avatar unit if they are married and you have the right asset and flaw. You could definitely still clear with 10 units. It's probably better to go with 5 fully leveled pairs than having underleveled supports since a lot of your damage comes from Dual Strikes but as long as you've maxed offensive stats (strength/magic, skill and luck) and have every other stat above 30 for the pair up bonuses you don't need supports with fully maxed stats if you don't intend to ever put them in the front of a pair up.
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Awesome, thanks guys. Just wanna skate by this thing with a C average. 
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ApplesandOranges posted:If you just want Magic modifiers, Ricken would be the best father anyway, since Morgan gets access to all classes. You lose a small bit of Skl/Spd but that's not too hard to make up for. 2 more Magic in exchange for 3 less Speed is the dealbreaker here, and in this case, Gangrel wins out because I need that Speed and because Ricken usually marries someone else.
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Folt The Bolt posted:2 more Magic in exchange for 3 less Speed is the dealbreaker here, and in this case, Gangrel wins out because I need that Speed and because Ricken usually marries someone else. Do you really need the Speed though? Morgan with Ricken as the father and a +Magic/-Defense Avatar has 55 Speed as a Sage with Limitbreaker, something like S-Rank Great Lord Lucina gives +9 Speed and a Speed Tonic gives +2 for 66 Speed, which is enough to double everything on the Normal Route and everything but Anna, 2 Snipers, 3 Berserkers and a Sage on the Secret Route before Rallies. Add in a Rally Spectrum, Speed and Heart for 76 Speed and you'll double everything. Gangrel with the same setup does have 69 Speed to double the Berserkers and Sage without Rallies but are those four enemies really worth losing four damage per round? Especially since Rallies will almost always be up? Of course you might as well just marry Laurent for better magic and possibly better speed than both of them, depending on his father.
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WrightOfWay posted:Do you really need the Speed though? Morgan with Ricken as the father and a +Magic/-Defense Avatar has 55 Speed as a Sage with Limitbreaker, something like S-Rank Great Lord Lucina gives +9 Speed and a Speed Tonic gives +2 for 66 Speed, which is enough to double everything on the Normal Route and everything but Anna, 2 Snipers, 3 Berserkers and a Sage on the Secret Route before Rallies. Add in a Rally Spectrum, Speed and Heart for 76 Speed and you'll double everything. Gangrel with the same setup does have 69 Speed to double the Berserkers and Sage without Rallies but are those four enemies really worth losing four damage per round? Especially since Rallies will almost always be up? Of course you might as well just marry Laurent for better magic and possibly better speed than both of them, depending on his father. I'm gonna make Morgan into a Sorcerer, not Sage, and I have no intention of marrying a second-gen child. As far as Apotheosis goes, I'm going to beat that on my own terms.
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Folt The Bolt posted:I'm gonna make Morgan into a Sorcerer, not Sage, and I have no intention of marrying a second-gen child. As far as Apotheosis goes, I'm going to beat that on my own terms. Wait. Let me see if I have this right. You have no moral issue with marrying Ricken, who is, like, 12. Meanwhile, you object to marrying Laurent because he's a "child", when he's somewhere in the neighborhood of 25. Like, Laurent's got a good chance of being older than at least one of his parents. I'd assume it was an issue with how late in the game you get the kids, but Laurent's recruitment is one of the easiest, and he's competing against Gangrel, who's pretty much only available for postgame and DLC. Is it the time travel thing? Because that kind of attitude would have prevented the birth of John Connor, dooming humanity. Why are you on Skynet's side here?
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chiasaur11 posted:Wait. Let me see if I have this right. Ricken is marrying elsewhere because he's a magic unit with Cavalier (Dual Guard+ and Luna) which is a desirable combo for certain mothers' children, and marrying him to the Avatar kinda wastes this. (Though I'll admit that if it wasn't for that, I'd only marry him so I can fill out the Support Log.)
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Mar 18, 2014 19:32
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And then there's the Lucina/Owain marriage. 
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I managed to marry my kid (Owain) with his cousin on accident (Cynthia), they just fit too well together and I forgot they were family!
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It is weird that you'd find no issues marrying Gangrel or Ricken but are against the second generation. It's your choice, though.
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Davincie posted:I managed to marry my kid (Owain) with his cousin on accident (Cynthia), they just fit too well together and I forgot they were family! This is why Sumia/Chrom is a terrible pairing. Never do Sumia/Chrom. The game "pushing" it is meant to be reverse psychology, you should be saying "gently caress you game, Chrom's banging Sully or some poo poo instead!"
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Davincie posted:I managed to marry my kid (Owain) with his cousin on accident (Cynthia), they just fit too well together and I forgot they were family! Yeah, I was working out my ~optimal pairings~ like the  I am and I kept having to mentally remind myself not to S-rank them.I pair them up 110% of the time if Chrom marries
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DoctorStrangelove posted:This is why Sumia/Chrom is a terrible pairing. Never do Sumia/Chrom. The game "pushing" it is meant to be reverse psychology, you should be saying "gently caress you game, Chrom's banging Sully or some poo poo instead!" But pega-pony princess! In all honesty, I find Sully to be a better fit for Chrom personality-wise, but Lucina's sibling support works best with Cynthia. Still, their regular friendship support is pretty amazing (as are most of Cynthia's). Chrom/Maribelle is ehh though. Lucina suffers physically even if she gets Galeforce, and while Rightful King/Miracle/Luna is a nice idea in theory, Brady has better options and he has the least visible hair to get the blue from. 
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Manatee Cannon posted:It is weird that you'd find no issues marrying Gangrel or Ricken but are against the second generation. It's your choice, though. Like I said, I'd have Ricken be forever alone (except to fill out the Support Log) if it wasn't for the fact that certain mothers dig having a magic unit pass down the Cavalier tree.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Chrom/Maribelle is ehh though. Lucina suffers physically even if she gets Galeforce, and while Rightful King/Miracle/Luna is a nice idea in theory, Brady has better options and he has the least visible hair to get the blue from. The worst part of the pairing is that Chrom weighs down on magic growth a lot (I have the same problem with Chrom/Sumia's kids too), but on the other hand I tend to cheat and have Brady and Lucina grind on Rescue staves anyways, so it's never been a problem for me.
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A Chrom/Maribelle pairing should also make Lucina into a good support unit. She gets Rally Magic/Speed/Resistance/Luck/Movement (and Rally Love if you get Bride) and can otherwise make use of Tomefaire, Dual Strike+, Dual Guard+, and Dual Support+ if you want her as a Pair-Up support unit. Brady is probably one of the worst "other" children for Chrom to have, but Maribelle's class set is good enough that he won't care much. The worst Chrom does to him is neuter his Magic growth a bit, and that can be worked around.
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Even with a +Magic avatar mother Lucina isn't great at magic and Brady will never want to be anything other than a mage. You don't want the kids to be support units, that's what legacy characters that get every rally option and no supports are there for. It's workable but it's probably the worst option for Chrom outside of Sully.
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Manatee Cannon posted:Even with a +Magic avatar mother Lucina isn't great at magic and Brady will never want to be anything other than a mage. You don't want the kids to be support units, that's what legacy characters that get every rally option and no supports are there for. It's workable but it's probably the worst option for Chrom outside of Sully. If you're using kids, you're probably grinding them to max stats anyway (or getting them to max stats as you're grinding skills), in which case it doesn't really matter, as Lucina will likely reach the cap anyway by the time you're done getting the skills and reclassing to the class you want for her. As for the rest, whether or not you want a kid to play support doesn't change the fact that Maribelle!Lucina can do this better than most other Lucinas. Brady will never want to be anything other than a mage, but he will want to reclass into the classes he's got in order to get skills. Luckily for him, he's been blessed with a rather good class set from his mother (Mage and Cleric + Cavalier equals Tomefaire, Luna, either Lifetaker or Renewal for healing purposes, and Galeforce through inheritance AND he will have Sage no matter what), so while he's certainly one of the worst kids for Chrom to have, he won't be damaged much by it. He's frankly a waste regarding Rightful King though.
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Why is it that the wierdest RNG always happens 30 minutes into a map? I'm 2 enemies from clearing a Paralogue map and my best Mage misses a 80% spell and gets oneshot by a 2% crit from a skeleton.  It was heroic, this last stand by this loving bone guy. He died an uneventful death moments later, but it was just so bizarre that I let the fucker keep his glory. On one hand, I want to reset. On the other, it felt scripted just how unfortunate that was. So I usually just take the loss and write it down as acceptable loss. After all, I have another 40 units to replace her sitting in my preparations menu. How much bullshit does it usually take for you to just let a character death go, and what do you consider an acceptable pace of losing units? I'm curious because I've definitely become more lax with my units as long as I'm not losing units that don't require massive grinding to replace.
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I only let the men who aren't part of my glorious eugenics experiment die. Seriously though, I never let people die. Since I am awful but not awful enough to play Normal (or Casual), this means lots o' grinding on Hard Classic, and generally just not using anybody except Chrom + MU for the actual story battles. 
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The only unit I've ever actually let die in a Fire Emblem game was Nasir in FE9 on my first playthrough because he shoved himself into the final chapter without my permission and wasn't even a particularly good unit and died like a chump when Ashnard was one hit away from Death By Ike. A fool like that deserves to die. 
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I let Miriel and Ricken die on my current maiden voyage through Awakening before I started resetting on character death like reasonable people do. I feel bad about Miriel! I think I'm pretty close to the end of the game, and I've realized that if I don't start recruiting kids now there won't be any game left to actually use them in. I'm noticing that the kid-recruiting paralogues are like... way more interesting maps than anything in the main plot, aside from the brief stint in lethal lava land which was cool. Yarne's map looks like some romhack poo poo when you refuse to help either army and fight both of them with the reinforcements.
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Folt The Bolt posted:If you're using kids, you're probably grinding them to max stats anyway (or getting them to max stats as you're grinding skills), in which case it doesn't really matter, as Lucina will likely reach the cap anyway by the time you're done getting the skills and reclassing to the class you want for her. As for the rest, whether or not you want a kid to play support doesn't change the fact that Maribelle!Lucina can do this better than most other Lucinas. The point is "better than most Lucinas" does not equate to good. Plus, Lifetaker and Renewal are really bad compared to Sol or Aether for literally everything but Apotheosis. I'd still use Aether over them for that anyway, though Luna would be better and she doesn't need Maribelle for either. War Priest/Valkyrie have some of the worst outside of the wyvern classes, and making Lucina a Dark Knight is just asking for her to be bad at both magic and strength without even the skill benefit from Dark Flier. Maribelle as her mother leaves her as a bad mage and fighter both with no real good skills but Galeforce to speak of. Galeforce is cool and all but she can do way better.
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So... Can someone lay out their ~*perfect pairings*~ with some explanation. You guys are tangenting really hard and I'm having trouble deciding who I want to gently caress in my game.
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nucleicmaxid posted:So... Can someone lay out their ~*perfect pairings*~ with some explanation. You guys are tangenting really hard and I'm having trouble deciding who I want to gently caress in my game.
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Mar 22, 2014 23:10
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Nobody marries anyone. Enforce proper fraternization policies on your army.
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BlitzBlast posted:Nobody marries anyone. Enforce proper fraternization policies on your army. Chrom would just knock someone up anyway. Chrom gives no fucks for fraternization policies. It's good to be king.
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If you play your cards right he won't touch any of the waifus but will instead end up with some no name village girl.
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Does she show up in the first timeskip cutscene or does Chrom just have a one night stand?
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Anatharon posted:Does she show up in the first timeskip cutscene or does Chrom just have a one night stand? She'll show up for a cutscene and then drop off the face of the earth.
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Davincie posted:If you play your cards right he won't touch any of the waifus but will instead end up with some no name village girl. Doesn't that require killing at least one of them?
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TheKingofSprings posted:Doesn't that require killing at least one of them? No. If you keep him far far away from any of the women, he won't marry any of them.
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ChaosArgate posted:No. If you keep him far far away from any of the women, he won't marry any of them. Roleplay Goon Chrom.
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Anatharon posted:Roleplay Goon Chrom. No, Goon Chrom is the one who marries Olivia. Have him avoid all women until he meets the shiest, vulnerable one with the least clothing and immediately propose to her.
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Geostomp posted:No, Goon Chrom is the one who marries Olivia. Have him avoid all women until he meets the shiest, vulnerable one with the least clothing and immediately propose to her. And of course, it's the marriage with the 'best' statistical mods on it. Similarly, marrying the Avatar to the yandere creep that gets people to steal your hair and watches you sleep is also 'optimal'. The other 'optimal' choices are  and  respectively. Oh, IntSys.
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