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It would be a way to make R+L=J actually mean something. Some northern swamp lord saying Jon is a Targ means nothing when you have no power, but if he's the Pope and has a religious army well there you go. That said there's no way it's Reed.
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Mike N Eich posted:What if being resurrected by R'hllor didn't affect Catelyn at all? What if she's literally of the same mind she was the moment before she was murdered? Bear in mind this is a woman who believes all her children are dead, her husband murdered, by the Freys/Lannisters. She has good reason to suspect Jaime Lannister helped plot the Red Wedding, given Roose's last words to Robb, and to think that Brienne may have forsworn her vows. I believe this is the case. Dundarion's only stated side effect was that he had a tendency to forget things from his former life. But he was still essentially the same person. Cat is just a super pissed broken version of her former self. She lives only for revenge over what happened to her family. She would be doing the same even if she did somehow manage to legitimately survive the red wedding.
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Mar 24, 2014 03:26
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Pretty sure Reed isn't gunna be the pope, his kids are totally into all that Old Gods mysticism poo poo. He's a northern man.
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Mar 24, 2014 03:26
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jsoh posted:Pretty sure Reed isn't gunna be the pope, his kids are totally into all that Old Gods mysticism poo poo. He's a northern man. As mentioned in that link, he could just be faking, or he could interpret the Old Gods such that the Seven are some of them (similar to the Faceless Men and the Gods of Death).
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Mar 24, 2014 03:32
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Well, one needn't be truly religious to hold a position of religious power. There's not enough evidence for me to say I really buy this theory, but I don't think anything makes it impossible so far.
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Mar 24, 2014 03:33
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The Reeds inhabit the Neck, which is the divider between the North and the South. It's possible they practice the faith of the Seven, or have some weird hybrid thing going on. Regardless, we better see Howland one way or another in the next book. I feel like we've been blue-balled on his character for way too long.
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Mar 24, 2014 03:47
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Based on how one of is kids has similar abilities to the Children of the Forest, i'm pretty sure the Reeds are solid Old Gods worshipers. I actually always felt that the Reeds lived in very close to the kind of life that the First Men had when they and the Children lived together. Hell. i'd not be surprised if the last of the Children that lived south of the wall lived in their territory.
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Mar 24, 2014 04:03
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The whole dust-up about Jeyne Westerling's hips makes me dismiss theories based on Martin's physical descriptions.
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Mar 24, 2014 04:13
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The heir in the north theories died when Talisa died on the show.
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Mar 24, 2014 04:15
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Gianthogweed posted:I believe this is the case. Dundarion's only stated side effect was that he had a tendency to forget things from his former life. But he was still essentially the same person. Cat is just a super pissed broken version of her former self. She lives only for revenge over what happened to her family. She would be doing the same even if she did somehow manage to legitimately survive the red wedding. Likewise, I don't think her arc is over. It's important to remember too that Book Catelyn was nowhere near as vengeful a person than the show version. She was the one person who wanted repeatedly to make peace with the Lannisters and saw that the whole King in the North business was a terrible idea. I think a lot of people read the Stoneheart section in AFFC as her turning the Brotherhood evil, but seriously the BWB have always been full of judgmental killers all too happy to convict people on only rumors and reputation. The only difference between the Hound's meeting with them and Brienne's was that Beric wasn't around to hold them back. Catelyn is not unreasonable, but she doesn't have a "knight's honor" and has had a pattern of blaming the wrong person (Ned for Jon Snow, Tyrion for Bran, and Jaime for the Red Wedding). And narratively, either Brienne or Jaime is going to meet Sansa at some point and it's a lot more interesting if that conversation involves telling her that Catelyn is still alive.
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Mar 24, 2014 04:44
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Reed's purpose isn't to convince the whole world of R+L=J, it's to tell Jon about it (and also at the same time hand him the royal proclamation naming him Jon Stark and heir to the Throne of Winter). This isn't complicated.
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Mar 24, 2014 05:47
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CapnAndy posted:Reed's purpose isn't to convince the whole world of R+L=J, it's to tell Jon about it (and also at the same time hand him the royal proclamation naming him Jon Stark and heir to the Throne of Winter). This isn't complicated. Has the show even mentioned Howland Reed? I know his kids have a very truncated part in Bran's story-arc, but I don't remember them talking about their dad.
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Mar 24, 2014 05:52
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Gianthogweed posted:Has the show even mentioned Howland Reed? I know his kids have a very truncated part in Bran's story-arc, but I don't remember them talking about their dad. They do early in the third season. They don't say much about him, though, beyond that he cried when he heard Ned died. That's about it, really.
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Mar 24, 2014 05:55
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Tons of new footage here. Two weeks to go! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Wv1sPygc4
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Mar 24, 2014 08:55
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I like Tormund's new costume at 1:10.
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Mar 24, 2014 10:03
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CapnAndy posted:Reed's purpose isn't to convince the whole world of R+L=J, it's to tell Jon about it (and also at the same time hand him the royal proclamation naming him Jon Stark and heir to the Throne of Winter). This isn't complicated. Why are people so hung up about that theory when Jon obviously isn't going to be king (except maybe the Night King).
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Mar 24, 2014 11:12
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People are so sure about R+L=J that I bet GRUMM changed the whole plot just to make it false. EDIT: and that's why now he dont know what to do about the main plot and introduced Aegon (so there can be a Dany vs Targ Prince)
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Mar 24, 2014 12:21
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CapnAndy posted:Reed's purpose isn't to convince the whole world of R+L=J, it's to tell Jon about it (and also at the same time hand him the royal proclamation naming him Jon Stark and heir to the Throne of Winter). This isn't complicated. It wasn't complicated... But the delivery of the proclamation never happened because the two people delivering it failed to not go missing and be presumed dead. [the fact that the proclamation didn't even happen in the show suggests that this side-arc is irrelevant and doesn't lead anywhere anyway] Also, Jon died.
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Mar 24, 2014 12:40
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When I first heard R + L = J I thought it was a silly stretch that the craziest of fans latched on to, but re-reading the first book with that theory in mind made it mind numbingly obvious. I still think it'll be the case. I'd like to think GRRM knows better than to throw away such a central plot point, and I see Aegon serving a different purpose than Jon would serve under such a scenario.
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Mar 24, 2014 12:45
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Steve2911 posted:I still think it'll be the case. I'd like to think GRRM knows better than to throw away such a central plot point, and I see Aegon serving a different purpose than Jon would serve under such a scenario. http://www.adriasnews.com/2012/10/george-r-r-martin-interview.html posted:Do you use to check the Internet forums in order to see the predictions made by your fans?
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Mar 24, 2014 13:12
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quote:They say: “Oh God, the butler did it!”, to use an example of a mystery novel. Then, you think: “I have to change the ending! The maiden would be the criminal!” To my mind that way is a disaster because if you are doing well you work, the books are full of clues that point to the butler doing it and help you to figure up the butler did it, but if you change the ending to point the maiden, the clues make no sense anymore; they are wrong or are lies, and I am not a liar. Well that explains a lot.
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Mar 24, 2014 13:31
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Right, supporting the idea that he's sticking with his original plan.
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Mar 24, 2014 13:39
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I don't think he would change the story after everyone figured things out. When I initially brought it up, I was more of the opinion that it probably knocked out his motivation to keep writing the books.
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Mar 24, 2014 14:41
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BlueChocolate posted:Why are people so hung up about that theory when Jon obviously isn't going to be king (except maybe the Night King). The importance of R+L=J is that it means Jon is a viable candidate for AA, not so he can go on to become Good King Jon. The Ghost of High Heart once prophesized that the Prince that was Promised would be born from the lineage of Aerys II and Rhaella. Jon qualifies through Rhaegar.
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Mar 24, 2014 14:55
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Do we know if Episode 9 of this season will only be the battle at Castle Black, like Blackwater in season 2?
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The one thing that always bothered me about R + L = J was why didn't Ned just loving tell Catelyn? They obviously loved each other and supported each other in decision making, and Ned is constantly described as a faithful and loyal husband. All he had to do was take her aside at night when no one is around and be like "yo btw my sister loved Rhaegar and this is her kid, not my bastard. We'll pretend he is to keep heat off of him but don't be a massive thundercunt to him all his life, ok?"
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Mar 24, 2014 15:25
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In It For The Tank posted:The importance of R+L=J is that it means Jon is a viable candidate for AA, not so he can go on to become Good King Jon. I thought Jenny of Oldstones phrophesized that...or is she the same person as GoHH? e. Sorry - Jenny was acquainted with a woods witch who made the prophesy. I assume this witch is GoHH and thus a COF explaining the time span. ShaqDiesel fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Mar 24, 2014 |
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Doltos posted:The one thing that always bothered me about R + L = J was why didn't Ned just loving tell Catelyn? They obviously loved each other and supported each other in decision making, and Ned is constantly described as a faithful and loyal husband. All he had to do was take her aside at night when no one is around and be like "yo btw my sister loved Rhaegar and this is her kid, not my bastard. We'll pretend he is to keep heat off of him but don't be a massive thundercunt to him all his life, ok?" Promise me
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Mar 24, 2014 15:35
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Doltos posted:The one thing that always bothered me about R + L = J was why didn't Ned just loving tell Catelyn? They obviously loved each other and supported each other in decision making, and Ned is constantly described as a faithful and loyal husband. All he had to do was take her aside at night when no one is around and be like "yo btw my sister loved Rhaegar and this is her kid, not my bastard. We'll pretend he is to keep heat off of him but don't be a massive thundercunt to him all his life, ok?" Ned doesn't make the best decisions. It is known. He also didn't know her for very long when they were first married, so I don't know how safe it would be to tell her "Yo, we have a potential pretender to the throne hanging with us in our castle, fyi." General Targ sentiment back then was in the shitter, so saying that outloud to someone when you can't be sure about who is listening (and lets me honest, Ned would probably be terrified about Varys' ability to find out information) would be highly dangerous. jsoh posted:Promise me Also this.
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Because Ned is loyal and honorable to a fault. L: "Don't tell anyone. Promise." N: "Fine." ~Years later~ C: "Jon, I hate you." J: "The gently caress did I do?" N: "Nope, no injustice here." edit: whoa, late to the punch
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Mar 24, 2014 15:37
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radlum posted:Do we know if Episode 9 of this season will only be the battle at Castle Black, like Blackwater in season 2? I can't point to any specific articles or anything but yes, I know for a fact I've seen quotes stating that it's been confirmed to be the entire episode like Blackwater was.
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Doltos posted:The one thing that always bothered me about R + L = J was why didn't Ned just loving tell Catelyn? They obviously loved each other and supported each other in decision making, and Ned is constantly described as a faithful and loyal husband. All he had to do was take her aside at night when no one is around and be like "yo btw my sister loved Rhaegar and this is her kid, not my bastard. We'll pretend he is to keep heat off of him but don't be a massive thundercunt to him all his life, ok?" Jsoh is probably right that keeping Jon's identity a secret was probably a tenet of Ned's promise to Lyanna, and Ned took the oath literally. However, if you want a more detailed response, there's a part in AGOT where Ned thinks that some secrets are too dangerous to share, even with the ones you love. If Ned told Catelyn, he couldn't guarantee what she would do with that information. What happens in 50 years when Ned dies of a stress-related heart attack, could he trust Catelyn to not turn her back on Jon without Ned around to moderate her behavior? Would Catelyn suffer her family's life constantly living under the threat of Robert's wrath should Jon's real identity ever be discovered? Probably not. Its a drat good thing Ned never did tell her. If Catelyn ever felt her children were in danger because of Jon she would have sold him out in a heartbeat. The series has taught us that Catelyn is prone to rash and reckless decisions where her family is concerned.
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Max posted:Ned doesn't make the best decisions. It is known. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS NOT TELL EVERYONE ABOUT JOFFREY BEING AN INCEST KID I hate when main characters make bone headed decisions even if it does result in the actual story line instead of ASOIAF being a 20 page pamphlet about Ned going to King's Landing then deciding to get the gently caress out of there before someone murders him.
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Doltos posted:ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS NOT TELL EVERYONE ABOUT JOFFREY BEING AN INCEST KID That wasn't the problem. The problem was he told Cersei before telling anyone else.
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New video about fight scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-28xunfJAk0 Looks pretty cool. Is that one of Stannis's knights killing Ygritte at 06?
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I always find myself wondering what would have happened if Ned took Renly's offer to help take the castle that night. There would still be civil war between Renly and Stannis. I assume Ned would support Stannis and still get murdered in Kings Landing. He was so hosed from day one.
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Sam. posted:New video about fight scenes:  it totally is. It's not even like, hidden. Why would they do that?! 
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Doltos posted:ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS NOT TELL EVERYONE ABOUT JOFFREY BEING AN INCEST KID I actually haven't had a problem with that decision, because it was consistent with the way his character was written. His decision to tell Cersie isn't logical, but he hasn't always been a logical character. One of my favorite moments of his was when he sat in judgement of Gregor Clegan and ordered Tywin's presence to the court. It showed that he was a good ruler and could mete out justice when it was necisary, he just wasn't the best political operator.
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If that's 'Ygritte' it's her stunt double not Rose Leslie. And besides, it's merely a flesh wound. 
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