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So with Ukraine's last land base in Crimea taken down, this pretty much ends their forces in Crimea, now its whether or not the Russians will allow the soldiers and their families to leave peacefully...
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CommieGIR posted:So with Ukraine's last land base in Crimea taken down, this pretty much ends their forces in Crimea, now its whether or not the Russians will allow the soldiers and their families to leave peacefully... I see no reason Russians should keep them, I imagine they'd be more than happy to kick them out and bar them from ever returning.
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Mar 24, 2014 22:08
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alex314 posted:I see no reason Russians should keep them, I imagine they'd be more than happy to kick them out and bar them from ever returning. The concern is that Crimea is a prelude to a play for Eastern Ukraine, in which case Russia has a stake in not letting soldiers walk out freely.
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Mar 24, 2014 22:10
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The presence or absence of a few dozen Ukrainian staff officers is...not going to be a significant factor there.
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Mar 24, 2014 22:13
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It definitely won't matter, but betting against Russia making another antagonistic move seems a bit optimistic.
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Mar 24, 2014 22:15
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Russia imposed sanctions on 13 Canadians. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/russian-sanctions-against-canadians-a-badge-of-honour-1.2584137 This also looks interesting. http://gazeta.ua/articles/politics/_rosiya-proponuye-trom-krayinam-evropi-podiliti-ukrayinu-zmi/548696 quote:The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland received an official letter from the State Duma of Russia with a proposal to divide the territory of Ukraine. HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Mar 24, 2014 |
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Mar 24, 2014 22:41
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Russia imposed sanctions on 13 Canadians. That was mentioned earlier this morning, but anything that comes from Zhironovsky is garbage. The equivalent of Sarah Palin except paying for votes with vodka and advocating that all Mexican immigrants be relocated to Madagascar.
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Mar 24, 2014 22:54
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Truly it is a huge blow to not be able to travel to Russia and have access to...Russian goods?
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Mar 24, 2014 22:55
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Reuters has the story, too, for English speakers (it's a little clearer than the translation): http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/24/ukraine-crisis-partition-letter-idUSL5N0ML1LO20140324 This guy's definitely a Palineske nutjob, though. As ballsy and aggressive as the Russians have been, I can't imagine the Kremlin being stupid enough to propose something like this to nations that are clearly supporting Ukraine.
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Mar 24, 2014 22:56
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Doctor Chaxtical posted:Reuters has the story, too, for English speakers (it's a little clearer than the translation): Palin is Thatcher compared to Zhirinovski.
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Mar 24, 2014 23:00
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rvm posted:Palin is Thatcher compared to Zhirinovski. I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing.
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Mar 24, 2014 23:03
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So out of the following rumors: - Russian troop buildup in Belarus - Russian troop buildup against E. Ukraine - Russian annexation of Moldova - Russian annexation of Transnistria Is it unreasonable to think that the outcome will just be Russia focusing on ensuring Crimea makes it through the transition with minimal disruption to the infrastructure?
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Mar 24, 2014 23:05
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Fojar38 posted:Truly it is a huge blow to not be able to travel to Russia and have access to...Russian goods? The Hermitage is actually seriously loving impressive and you have missed out if you have never been.
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Mar 24, 2014 23:08
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Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:The Hermitage is actually seriously loving impressive and you have missed out if you have never been. Yeah well too bad since it's in Russia
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Mar 24, 2014 23:09
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Rime posted:So out of the following rumors: Russian behaviour thus far has been pretty much a wildcard, and while the troop buildups are a thing, the annexation stories are just that, stories floated by people on either side ranging from rumor-mongering to wild speculation and warnings.
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Mar 24, 2014 23:10
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Rime posted:So out of the following rumors: It is reasonable to think russia is keeping the option of invasion open, whether it is because they just want to maintain pressure, haven't decided yet, or are going to invade but are waiting on something doesn't seem knowable at this stage
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Mar 24, 2014 23:11
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Fojar38 posted:Truly it is a huge blow to not be able to travel to Russia and have access to...Russian goods? the west will crumble without Russias export of white slave labour and youtube dashcam videos!
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Mar 24, 2014 23:12
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Just a thought: maybe Putin is waiting for the world cup to begin? He seems to have a fetish for starting
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TURN IT OFF! posted:the west will crumble without Russias export of white slave labour and youtube dashcam videos! Russian oligarch will have to double their caviar and ermine rations to keep the economy going in this difficult time of boycotts.
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Mar 24, 2014 23:18
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Doctor Chaxtical posted:Reuters has the story, too, for English speakers (it's a little clearer than the translation):
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Mar 24, 2014 23:27
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Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:It is reasonable to think russia is keeping the option of invasion open, whether it is because they just want to maintain pressure, haven't decided yet, or are going to invade but are waiting on something doesn't seem knowable at this stage I think that Russia is just trying to keep everybody else guessing about their true intentions.
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Mar 24, 2014 23:48
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Zhirinovskiy is a huge joke that nobody has taken seriously since the 90s, if he was even taken seriously then. This would be like, I dunno, Steve Stockman asking Independent Quebec to invade Ontario while the US picks up Western Canada or something, just completely batshit. e: here's a nice anti-American rant from him with slightly cleaned up subtitles (he's basically interjecting gently caress a bunch): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExfLOwmSD88 e2: as mentioned above he starts poo poo-talking Condi around 5:30 if you want so skip to that Swan Oat fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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Mar 25, 2014 00:02
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Whats the communist party like in Russia? They are like consistently the second biggest party in Russian elections. From what I remember reading they supported the ban on gay propaganda and are generally quite good buddies with the Russian Orthodox Church. EDIT: Also is Zhirinovsky drunk off his goddamn mind in that clip? and who are those guys hes awkwardly holding on to? Also something tells me Zhirinovsky watches alot of brutal interracial porn. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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Mar 25, 2014 00:14
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Swan Oat posted:Zhirinovskiy is a huge joke that nobody has taken seriously since the 90s, if he was even taken seriously then. This would be like, I dunno, Steve Stockman asking Independent Quebec to invade Ontario while the US picks up Western Canada or something, just completely batshit. Randarkman posted:Whats the communist party like in Russia? They are like consistently the second biggest party in Russian elections. From what I remember reading they supported the ban on gay propaganda and are generally quite good buddies with the Russian Orthodox Church.
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Mar 25, 2014 00:23
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rvm posted:Palin is Thatcher compared to Zhirinovski. Zhirinovski is basically on another plane of insanity while Palin was just a pretty parrot.
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Mar 25, 2014 00:47
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Randarkman posted:Whats the communist party like in Russia? They are like consistently the second biggest party in Russian elections. Basically they exist by virtue of pensioners, who are drat dependable to crawl to voting booths every time.
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Mar 25, 2014 00:53
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Communist party sells pensioners' votes to the highest bidder, typically for some positions im government.
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Mar 25, 2014 01:03
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OhYeah posted:Just a thought: maybe Putin is waiting for the world cup to begin? He seems to have a fetish for starting Sending in some special forces (who were probably at a high state of readiness anyway) into a region that is welcoming you with open arms against forces that are only engaging in passive, non-violent resistance is one thing. Driving across Ukraine proper against people shooting back at you is another. Even if Putin is 100% dead set on invading Ukraine it's going to be a while before he can actually do it, it takes a lot of time to mobile troops and organize a war, even if its next door.
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Mar 25, 2014 01:25
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Numlock posted:Sending in some special forces (who were probably at a high state of readiness anyway) into a region that is welcoming you with open arms against forces that are only engaging in passive, non-violent resistance is one thing. Driving across Ukraine proper against people shooting back at you is another. Yeah his blitzkrieg in Crimea only worked because he took advantage of the chaos and collapse of the central government. Plus it helps having a nation of dumb 5th column people who genuinely think they would be better off under the Russians.
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Mar 25, 2014 01:28
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CommieGIR posted:I mean no offense, and I really do feel awful, but now is not the time. CommieGIR posted:
These are pretty stupid and nonsensical comparisons. For one, basically noone is getting shot.\ etalian posted:Yeah his blitzkrieg in Crimea only worked because he took advantage of the chaos and collapse of the central government. Crimea wanting to join Russia was actually a large part of it.
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Mar 25, 2014 01:28
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Its basically like trying to visit family in Czechoslovakia while the Germans were annexing it.
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enbot posted:Crimea wanting to join Russia was actually a large part of it. Sending in piles of russian special forces troops was the the large part of it, especially the convenience of driving military vehicles across the border unopposed.
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Mar 25, 2014 01:33
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Typo posted:zhirinovsky is like 100x the show that Palin is, this is the person who ranted on about how Condelezza rice needs to be gangbanged by "one of our divisions" (I'm not joking) and that Russia needs to retake Alaska and deport the Ukrainians ther. I wish our crazies said ridiculous poo poo like that. I mean they do, but it's not as hilariously awful. Nah, it is. What am I saying? I'm actually really surprised at the level of opsec the Russians have managed to maintain throughout this. That is, unless they're actually not planning anything else yet so there's nothing to leak.
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Mar 25, 2014 01:34
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etalian posted:Plus it helps having a nation of dumb 5th column people who genuinely think they would be better off under the Russians. Can someone elaborate what "5th column" means exactly?
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ProfessorCurly posted:Can someone elaborate what "5th column" means exactly? e: apparently not in this context! I was thinking more along the lines of "These people think they'd be better off under the russians despite how much they rely on the rest of Ukraine  "
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Mar 25, 2014 01:46
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ProfessorCurly posted:Can someone elaborate what "5th column" means exactly? Basically the Russians didn't need to send in a large military force thanks to the cooperation of self-defense forces, local government and also police switching sides too. All because they bought Putin's Russia is so great propaganda hook and sinker
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Mar 25, 2014 01:48
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ProfessorCurly posted:Can someone elaborate what "5th column" means exactly? A group of secret infiltrators, whose job is to sabotage the enemy from within. Ed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Mar 25, 2014 |
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Mar 25, 2014 01:49
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OhYeah posted:Just a thought: maybe Putin is waiting for the world cup to begin? He seems to have a fetish for starting If you are referring to 2008, the Georgians started that one, which even the EU/OECD Report about the whole affair admitted. One should also note that if, lets say some serb Nationalist called Sakhazvilovic would pull the stuff Sakashvili pulled against the Russians against Americans troops (premediated artillery strikes on peace keepers whose Invitation Georgia signed, after declaring a truce to boot), well, if he is very lucky it would be only the Hague.
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ProfessorCurly posted:Can someone elaborate what "5th column" means exactly? Elements within a group actively working towards sabotage of said group.
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Mar 25, 2014 01:50
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It comes from a remark during the Spanish Civil War where a general proclaimed he had four columns of infantry marching towards a city and a fifth column of citizens that would rise up against the enemy.
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ProfessorCurly posted:Can someone elaborate what "5th column" means exactly? Its from the spanish civil war, when the fascists were marching on Madrid with four seperate columns of troops and Franco or one of the other senior fascist commanders said they also had a "fifth column" in the form of fascist supporters in the city proper.
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