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Yeah, it's already been mentioned that the second was just a repeat of the first with a different end boss. When I first saw it in a theater in Caseville, the first thing I thought when everyone was denying ghosts existed was "What the gently caress? Ghosts terrorize New York for some decent amount of time, huge marshmallow man, and now people act like it didn't happen?" The best part was when the kids screamed "He-Man". That show was terribly outdated when the movie debuted
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Oh my god, I actually never looked at it that way (which is to say 'normally'). I didn't think for a second, 'hey, didn't that judge see Stay Puft? The interdimensional portal? The mass ghost exodus from the firehouse?'. Good god 
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Watching Ghostbusters recently, my new favorite(I find a new one every time I watch) line is when Ray and Peter are exhausted as they walk into the firehouse, and Winston is there being interviewed by Janine. Venkman says something to Ray about how he doesn't look very good. Ray goes "Really?", to which Venkman responds "Well, you didn't used to look like this." As usual its Murray's perfect deadpan delivery that makes it.
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don Jaime posted:Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet: LEGO is releasing an Ecto-1 set with all four Ghostbusters this June. The downside is there's no ghost in the set for them to bust, nor are they making the firehouse proposed in the original crowdsource proposal. Ok, wow, I need to get that for my daughter. And me. Mostly me.
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SocketWrench posted:Yeah, it's already been mentioned that the second was just a repeat of the first with a different end boss. That's pretty much my point, though. Without the two scenes I mentioned, the idea that people forgot about all the ghosts vanishes. Instead, it feels like the Ghostbusters wound up inadvertently killing their own business by defeating Gozer. Instead of people not suddenly not believing ghosts exist, it becomes people forgetting about the Ghostbusters because their 15 minutes of fame were over. It makes a lot more logical sense than "everyone forgot about ghosts". I mean, if you're going to reset the plot, at least have it make sense why you're resetting the plot.
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You can KEEP the five dollars! That whole segment is hilarious.
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"If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say."
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effectual posted:You can KEEP the five dollars! I love that the further away from 1984 we get, the funnier that joke about the $5 gets.
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I love how incredulous Venkman is. "We're PAYING you aren't we???"
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Mar 27, 2014 15:25
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The walls in the 53rd precinct were bleeding.
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The_Doctor posted:I love that the further away from 1984 we get, the funnier that joke about the $5 gets. Yeah, especially since it's very apparent that the dude would have just gotten shocked fifty times if they'd kept going. I showed the movie to my brother for the first time since he was around four (he's 21 now), and in that scene he said "You know, I never noticed what an Incredible dickhead Venkman can be." And it made him love the movie.
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Coffee And Pie posted:The walls in the 53rd precinct were bleeding. The delivery of that line is just badass.
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Mar 27, 2014 18:15
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The_Doctor posted:I love that the further away from 1984 we get, the funnier that joke about the $5 gets. I was born in 83. Was five bucks really that much more than it is now, purchasing-power wise?
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MisterBibs posted:I was born in 83. Was five bucks really that much more than it is now, purchasing-power wise? It's a little over $10 today, I think.
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MisterBibs posted:I was born in 83. Was five bucks really that much more than it is now, purchasing-power wise? The price of a gallon of gas was $1.25.
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Rhyno posted:The price of a gallon of gas was $1.25. A pack of cigarettes was around 75 cents, and it was about same for a cup of coffee, I believe. I was watching this earlier out of boredom, I always forget how much smoking there is in this movie.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Yeah, especially since it's very apparent that the dude would have just gotten shocked fifty times if they'd kept going. I showed the movie to my brother for the first time since he was around four (he's 21 now), and in that scene he said "You know, I never noticed what an Incredible dickhead Venkman can be." And it made him love the movie. Oddly, I still think he is doing part of the experiment right. It is "the effect of negative reinforcement on esp ability". So just telling one they are always right and always telling the other they are wrong is a valid way to conduct it, although it lacks a control group.
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SublimeDelusions posted:Oddly, I still think he is doing part of the experiment right. It is "the effect of negative reinforcement on esp ability". So just telling one they are always right and always telling the other they are wrong is a valid way to conduct it, although it lacks a control group. But really he's just trying to get the pants of the co-ed.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Oh my god, I actually never looked at it that way (which is to say 'normally'). I didn't think for a second, 'hey, didn't that judge see Stay Puft? The interdimensional portal? The mass ghost exodus from the firehouse?'.
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Coffee And Pie posted:A pack of cigarettes was around 75 cents, and it was about same for a cup of coffee, I believe. I love that aspect. Because it's either that or some heavy drinking to help deal with the fact that you just sent someones grandma to ghost jail. And then you have to do it again in an hour. That some heavy poo poo to deal with and smoking can help. LividLiquid posted:They actually acknowledge this and basically claim that the Ghostbusters are special effects people who conned the city. That's an even more lovely excuse than "I don't believe" since then Hollywood would have called them up and they'd be billionaires if they could do that poo poo.
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Mar 27, 2014 23:29
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LividLiquid posted:They actually acknowledge this and basically claim that the Ghostbusters are special effects people who conned the city. Peck brings this up in the original film ("These men are consummate snowball artists! They use sensitive nerve gases to induce hallucinations -- people think they're seeing ghosts. And they call these bozos, who conveniently show up to deal with the problem with a fake electronic light show") but it isn't ever touched upon in GBII.
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Also if it were the case they would almost certainly be in prison.
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mr. stefan posted:Also if it were the case they would almost certainly be in prison. Or hired by the US government to help them set up nerve gas undetected for a whole goddamned city. Speaking of the US government, why the hell were they not brought up at all? You have guys running around with weapons that can melt tank armor and blow up all life on earth, and they don't want a crack at those packs?
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Mar 28, 2014 00:03
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MrJacobs posted:Or hired by the US government to help them set up nerve gas undetected for a whole goddamned city. Because it's a comedy.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Because it's a comedy. Which is why the EPA threatened to imprison them and accused them of poisoning people. Gotcha.
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Timby posted:Peck brings this up in the original film ("These men are consummate snowball artists! They use sensitive nerve gases to induce hallucinations -- people think they're seeing ghosts. And they call these bozos, who conveniently show up to deal with the problem with a fake electronic light show") but it isn't ever touched upon in GBII.  I knew somebody's said it, though.
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MrJacobs posted:Which is why the EPA threatened to imprison them and accused them of poisoning people. Gotcha.  My point is the conflict only needs to go so far until it serves its purpose. Especially in a comedy.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:
I wasn't referring to just the first movie, I was referring to ANYTHING GB related. I didn't know if the military was mentioned in a shooting script for either movie as a throwaway line or somesuch, or any of the comic books etc. I remember something about it in the cartoon but that was for slimer or some other ghost.
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MrJacobs posted:I love that aspect. Because it's either that or some heavy drinking to help deal with the fact that you just sent someones grandma to ghost jail. And then you have to do it again in an hour. That some heavy poo poo to deal with and smoking can help. My experiences in the game have undoubtedly tainted things, but I always felt that most of the 'ghosts' the team deals with are either demons or human spirits so far gone that they don't act or look like their grandma. I can't remember where I read it, but the glimpse-into-the-containment-cell scene was written out specifically because they didn’t want the audience to think that the Ghostbusters were doing a morally despicable job and/or were having to cope with that.
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MrJacobs posted:I wasn't referring to just the first movie, I was referring to ANYTHING GB related. I didn't know if the military was mentioned in a shooting script for either movie as a throwaway line or somesuch, or any of the comic books etc. I remember something about it in the cartoon but that was for slimer or some other ghost. Fair enough. Then again, though, if you bring in that element to the GB storyline (with either movie, the cartoon, or through the comics), it opens up a huge issue that I don't think anyone really, honestly would want to see the guys having to bother with.
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That's really it. It wouldn't be a better movie if they dealt with the military and it wouldn't be a better movie if there was a scene explaining why the military doesn't care. So why do something that would make the movie worse just to keep people from wondering?
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MrJacobs posted:Which is why the EPA threatened to imprison them and accused them of poisoning people. Gotcha. The guy from the EPA was just a foil who accused them of being con artists. If you're going to wonder why the military isn't confiscating their advanced weaponry, you may as well wonder how the world is coping with the fact that ghosts are not only real but also waged an assault on a major city. By that point, it's just taking the premise too seriously.
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I feel like it's more acceptable and encouraged to poke holes in these things today than it was thirty years ago, and it's now often a race to call bullshit to look smart. Tons of people complained about it going unexplained that The Avengers took no part in Iron Man 3, but would it have made for a better movie to have a whole scene where he calls them and they each say why they can't come? When you get bogged down in explaining every minute detail over actually telling the story, you've now made Star Trek: Voyager.
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MrJacobs posted:Speaking of the US government, why the hell were they not brought up at all? You have guys running around with weapons that can melt tank armor and blow up all life on earth, and they don't want a crack at those packs? In a couple of drafts of the script Zeddemore has his extremely overqualified resume read off by Janine. I'm sure Timby will know for sure but Zeddemore was definitely military and has training in heavy weapons (I think), so if you really want to fan fiction it (and I know you do) Zeddemore is either an honest hard working veteran, a lying opportunist, or a spy. Also, while not the Government proper, the FBI is all over the end of the film. Look for the guys in trenchcoats and with ear pieces.
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I love how you can just say "Look for ______" to spot the guys who are trying to be undercover. 
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Rhyno posted:The price of a gallon of gas was $1.25. Ah, back in the day, when gas was a buck and a candy bar was 50 cents. And the dollar you were left by the Tooth Fairy made you rich MrJacobs posted:Or hired by the US government to help them set up nerve gas undetected for a whole goddamned city. Gostbusters/Short Circuit crossover? SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Mar 28, 2014 |
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Soulwrangler posted:In a couple of drafts of the script Zeddemore has his extremely overqualified resume read off by Janine. I'm sure Timby will know for sure but Zeddemore was definitely military and has training in heavy weapons (I think), so if you really want to fan fiction it (and I know you do) Zeddemore is either an honest hard working veteran, a lying opportunist, or a spy. Also, while not the Government proper, the FBI is all over the end of the film. Look for the guys in trenchcoats and with ear pieces. It's actually Ray, not Janine, who reads it off (this is one of those cases of ad-libbing). From the script: quote:STANTZ
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LividLiquid posted:I feel like it's more acceptable and encouraged to poke holes in these things today than it was thirty years ago, and it's now often a race to call bullshit to look smart. 30 years ago we were all hung up on why no one ever reloaded their guns. Also looking for strings.
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LividLiquid posted:I feel like it's more acceptable and encouraged to poke holes in these things today than it was thirty years ago, and it's now often a race to call bullshit to look smart. A Marvel editor calls those sort of stories "comics about comics". They distract from the actual plot to service the world, instead of the world servicing the story. Do insurance companies in Ghostbusters New York have policies that cover ghost hauntings? Is my family covered, not just in slime, if I have to call the Ghostbusters?
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