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Poil posted:Well the zerg are sort of friendly towards the terrans, offering them a place in their society instead of just slaughtering all of them all the time like the other races. First Human-Zerg President, Racism is over!
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Yeah the only Protoss that actually care about the Terrans and their well being as a whole are the ones that Raynor befriended and helped. All the other ones don't really care about humanity. Also from what I've seen you really don't want to be part of the Zerg collective.
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Mar 31, 2014 13:50
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Hang on. Does Multi-Lock + Ares make Goliaths basically hard-counter Colossus?
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Mar 31, 2014 14:08
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G-4 Clusterbomb, Multi-Lock Weapon Systems, Vanadium Plating The Dig has clearly already won but gently caress it, I'm gonna vote The Great Train Robbery again 'cause I love to lose!
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Mar 31, 2014 14:15
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I have no upgrade preferences, but I vote we do The Dig before the Great Train Robbery, because Seige Tanks are a very useful and fun unit to use, in general, but especially in TGTR.
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Anatharon posted:The Goliath and (Non-Dominion) Merc Goliath are based off of two of sc 2 devs. To be clear, the unit portraits are. The units themselves [probably] aren't. apostateCourier posted:Hang on. Does Multi-Lock + Ares make Goliaths basically hard-counter Colossus? The hard counter to colossi hasn't been added to our arsenal yet. Goliaths are good anti-air units, though, and colos are big enough that AA hits them. If the colos get the range upgrade that is available to them, they will have the same rage as an Ares-upgraded Goliath's AA (and outrange the underwhelming ground-to-ground attack).
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Mar 31, 2014 15:13
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Just going to throw down a vote for whatever the Armor Research is (Cause I don't want to go to the last page to remember.) I think the HP will make more of a difference in the end than the attack speed.
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Penakoto posted:I have no upgrade preferences, but I vote we do The Dig before the Great Train Robbery, because Seige Tanks are a very useful and fun unit to use, in general, but especially in TGTR. That's exactly a perfect reason to NOT get the tanks for that mission, because each mission introduces a unit ideally suited for that gameplay. We can use Siege tanks to great effect in every single mission, but the train robbery introduces, and is suited for, Diamondbacks. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Mar 31, 2014 |
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Mar 31, 2014 16:18
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He could always utilize both.  It may be a level well suited for the Diamondback, but it's also the perfect level for setting up Siege Tank traps, why not show off both things?
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Mar 31, 2014 16:26
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Penakoto posted:He could always utilize both. I agree. At any rate, I'm throwing my vote in for No purchased upgrades Ultra-Capacitors The Dig
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Mar 31, 2014 18:42
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Raldan, will you be showing off the alternate versions of missions in bonus videos? Yes, I will be showing of everything I can.
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Mar 31, 2014 20:37
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The Dig. Let's get this Terran party started.
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Mar 31, 2014 21:22
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A note on that mission - I always found a lot of luck just sticking a couple SCVs into a spare command center and landing it at whatever altar my army is currently at, harvesting, then lifting off and moving on to the next. Makes for short trips from the altars to the command center and a command center tagging along with your army is a lot less vulnerable than a SCV in the open.
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Mar 31, 2014 21:53
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Advanced Medic Facilities (Barracks), Twin-Linked Flamethrowers (Hellion), Ultra-Capacitors, Great Train Robbery
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Mar 31, 2014 22:16
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Cythereal posted:A note on that mission - I always found a lot of luck just sticking a couple SCVs into a spare command center and landing it at whatever altar my army is currently at, harvesting, then lifting off and moving on to the next. Makes for short trips from the altars to the command center and a command center tagging along with your army is a lot less vulnerable than a SCV in the open.
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IronSaber posted:Advanced Medic Facilities, Multi-Lock Weapon Systems, Ultra-Capacitors, and The Dig. This one, right here.
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Mar 31, 2014 23:23
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Just a note that advanced Medical facilities gets supplanted by one of the protoss research upgrades that has a somewhat lackluster counterpart(at least as far as the campaign is concerned, it would be absurd in multiplayer).
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Apr 1, 2014 00:42
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The Dig IMO
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Kurieg posted:Just a note that advanced Medical facilities gets supplanted by one of the protoss research upgrades that has a somewhat lackluster counterpart(at least as far as the campaign is concerned, it would be absurd in multiplayer). I just finished the campaign today, looking back, I was disappointed I took the lackluster counterpart.
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How much SC 1 story have you covered? I've only seen two videos and I can explain some if you havne't done so yet. I want to eventually get back around to the Brood Wars LP I only did a few missions of, but eh.Raldan posted:Yes, I will be showing of everything I can. I've not seen the specific video yet but for The Devil's Playground are you going to, if you haven't, done The Scenic Route (Destroy all zerg everything)? As much as I dislike the story and the multiplayer, the gameplay itself of the campaign is great. DFlux posted:Yeah the only Protoss that actually care about the Terrans and their well being as a whole are the ones that Raynor befriended and helped. All the other ones don't really care about humanity. Also from what I've seen you really don't want to be part of the Zerg collective. The thing is, most of the Protoss are those guys now as the vast majority died in Brood Wars. The Tal-Darim are new and any other groups are new. In BW it was just the survivors of Aiur with Artanis and Zeratul (until he left) on Shakurus after Raynor helped Artanis' company escape off of Aiur. --- So some story talk. I put more thought into it then most, I suppose, because Starcraft was one of the first stories, ever, that I encountered and it really has a special place in my heart as a result. It really bugs me how Raynor's nowhere near the same guy he was in the original. I mean aside from being bald and having a rounder face then his chiseled space marine visage. The guy was never shown to being beyond a casual interest in Kerrigan. I guess you could argue that he stewed in failure for four (Why only four, it doesn't make sense and it was longer then that in real time anyways) years but why not, I don't know, stew in failure over his best friends' fate? He was friends with Fenix, Zeratul and Artanis and only had any idea what the lattermost's fate was yet he's yet to bring up any of them in a conversation with Horner or any of the other guys. Regardless, his mopy-ness makes one wonder why he's the leader still. I liked the original draft more. The crew members in the background had some more to do, and one of them was going to lead a mutiny. That'd have been more interesting then silently following Raynor's agenda, but oh well. It's hardly the only missed opportunity, but it's the only one that would've happened by now as far as I'm aware. Speaking of conversations, another peeve of mine is how conversations work. They're basically two way spitting dialogue back and forth. Brood Wars just had up to four portraits together at a time but that still let more dynamic conversations happen. In the end though at least Wings of Liberty isn't as bad as Heart of the Swarm story wise, even with the removed elements excluded. But that's not something we'll be seeing for a long, long time now. --- Trivia I learned from an older iteration of the Gamers.txt thread: Tychus' VA played a parody of Tychus in a Star/Warcraft porn parody. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Apr 1, 2014 |
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The sad fact is that Chris Mentzen just isn't the writer he was back then, for whatever reason. Either half a decade doing pop culture jokes and dodgy retcons on Azeroth destroyed his skills, or perhaps he had a mandate to be "easily accessible"...who knows? Perhaps there just aren't any checks on him now Blizzard have Hat Money.
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New Gettysburg, yo You're right in saying that there is no direct romantic relationship, but there's a loooooot of stuff that is implied. Mengsk's betrayal of Kerrigan is the whole reason for Raynor being who he is in SCII and eventually he goes to Char, what is essentially the Zerg homeworld, because he feels this dead "just a friend" calling to him through the void before she becomes the Queen of Blades. I wouldn't say it's out of character for him to be a "Knight in Shining Armor". Although that is the problem with his character in SCII, and where you're most right, it's the exact same one from SCI. He's even still drinking his sorrows in Backwater Station, as if he was never a general in the Protoss fleet, as if he didn't swear to kill Kerrigan for betraying him and murdering his friends. I think in order to strengthen the connection to SCI and make the story make sense to new comers, they left out most of the developments from the Brood War campaign and that's why Raynor feels so wrong to us and probably seems like a big dumb sap to everyone else. Although I never bought HotS, so maybe his character develops some now that we have a new continuity? I'm curious to see how that story goes
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KjWRSv8AD9w#t=201 Forgetting about Fenix is pretty essential for Raynor to act the way he does in this game really.
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Loxbourne posted:The sad fact is that Chris Mentzen just isn't the writer he was back then, for whatever reason. Either half a decade doing pop culture jokes and dodgy retcons on Azeroth destroyed his skills, or perhaps he had a mandate to be "easily accessible"...who knows? It's probably partly the Hat Money thing making people not comfortable telling him something's not great and partly that in person his enthusiasm is pretty infectious (having been to Blizzcon a few times I can attest to poo poo just sounding like a better idea when he's geeking out about it no matter how objectively silly it is).
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Loxbourne posted:The sad fact is that Chris Mentzen just isn't the writer he was back then, for whatever reason. Either half a decade doing pop culture jokes and dodgy retcons on Azeroth destroyed his skills, or perhaps he had a mandate to be "easily accessible"...who knows? Metzen has fallen into the trap of "I have one story that's awesome!" He's openly said that he likes redemption stories. Thus you see Starcraft becoming more like Warcraft's story as time goes on.
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Mentzen is on record as saying he didn't like the way Brood War handled the UED. He wants them to have far more advanced technology ("tachyon lasers" were his exact words) and be much more distinct from the core Terrans. Now I think about it, Starcraft 2's installation recap doesn't mention Brood War either. I figured it was a simple time/space issue, but could there have been a conscious decision within Blizzard to quietly sweep the expansion under the rug? From memory, the different console conversions all got differing story campaigns and the Koreans got an entirely separate expansion pack all to themselves, so Mentzen & Co might have decided to just make a clean sweep and only refer to SC1 itself. This would also explain a certain character's slightly awkward return (and even more awkward art direction) in Heart of the Swarm. The less said about the eternal Sylvanas/Kerrigan figure in all Blizzard's plotlines, the better.
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Anatharon posted:Trivia I learned from an older iteration of the Gamers.txt thread: Tychus' VA played a parody of Tychus in a Star/Warcraft porn parody. What? 
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Oh come now, Kerrigan isn't Sylvannus anymore. She's Jaina 
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Loxbourne posted:Mentzen is on record as saying he didn't like the way Brood War handled the UED. He wants them to have far more advanced technology ("tachyon lasers" were his exact words) and be much more distinct from the core Terrans. Actually, in the newest video when he's hiring the new Merc Goliaths, their text is referencing the destruction of the UED and how they survived and become guns for hire.
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FoolyCharged posted:Ares Class + Multi-lock AradoBalanga posted:Votes: Multi-Lock Weapons System, Ares-Class Targeting System and Ultra-Capacitors for upgrades. The Dig for the mission. Because Siege Tanks, do I need another reason? Aww, hell. They've got my vote. Super Goliaths, roll out!
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Synastren posted:To be clear, the unit portraits are. The units themselves [probably] aren't. No, they are. The Collector's Edition has a behind the scenes DVD, and they go on at lenghts about having to build an extension to the offices so the mechs had someplace to work, because they kept on taking out parts of the walls when going through doors in the main building.
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FoolyCharged posted:Ares Class + Multi-lock Voting for this as well.
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Loxbourne posted:From memory, the different console conversions all got differing story campaigns and the Koreans got an entirely separate expansion pack all to themselves, so Mentzen & Co might have decided to just make a clean sweep and only refer to SC1 itself. Your memory is pretty busted. The only console conversion is StarCraft 64. The only new mission in that game is Resurrection IV. There are a couple of maps of the month that lead up to it for the PC/Mac version of the game, but that's it. There's also no special Korean edition of Brood War that's any different from any other region.
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Can you make Goliaths in multiplayer?
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The_Frag_Man posted:Can you make Goliaths in multiplayer? Only in custom maps that feature them. Otherwise no. Also, I forgot to mention that goliaths with the Charon Booster in Brood War were able to match the range of guardians. That's how good that upgrade was. That, and what made scouts such a bad unit was that they were so expensive considering what you got and really need their fleet beacon upgrades to be worthwhile. They're still a pretty good unit to use in air battles because they can deal more damage with their air-to-air attack than any other unit in the game except for scourge.
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The Door Frame posted:Although I never bought HotS, so maybe his character develops some now that we have a new continuity? I'm curious to see how that story goes  No, he doesn't. 
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SirSamVimes posted:What? Apparently he voiced the main character in a porn game. From his wiki article: quote:He also voices the main character in the "Adult" video game BoneCraft which will be released on January 12.[2]
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Loxbourne posted:Mentzen is on record as saying he didn't like the way Brood War handled the UED. He wants them to have far more advanced technology ("tachyon lasers" were his exact words) and be much more distinct from the core Terrans. I can honestly get behind this, it never really made sense that the UED aka the force that has Earth and probably an rear end load of other planets backing them had equal technology to the Terrans who were originally the dregs of that society who were fired off into space on a giant prison ship and told to get out.
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DFlux posted:I can honestly get behind this, it never really made sense that the UED aka the force that has Earth and probably an rear end load of other planets backing them had equal technology to the Terrans who were originally the dregs of that society who were fired off into space on a giant prison ship and told to get out. Unless you suppose that it costs a fortune to launch any interstellar fleet and they just went with a small task force, either in the assumption that the Koprulu colonists wouldn't have rebuilt any kind of technologically advanced civilization yet (making them easy pickings for a handful of marines that became nigh-immortal thanks to the UED medics), or that they'd just be able to acquire weapons on-site (which they did, I think: wasn't there a mission where you had to steal battlecruisers?). Or maybe they just needed an excuse to have TvT maps without the player either working for evil Mengsk or stereotypically roguish good guy Raynor again.
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Jolan posted:Unless you suppose that it costs a fortune to launch any interstellar fleet and they just went with a small task force, either in the assumption that the Koprulu colonists wouldn't have rebuilt any kind of technologically advanced civilization yet (making them easy pickings for a handful of marines that became nigh-immortal thanks to the UED medics), or that they'd just be able to acquire weapons on-site (which they did, I think: wasn't there a mission where you had to steal battlecruisers?). Depends on how advanced the UED society is I suppose. Starcraft never really tells us much about Earth, only that it still exists and that where Terrans come from. And yeah what came in brood wars was just an expeditionary fleet, but even then the UED's tech should still be better then the Terrans. Actually has it ever been said how long the Terrans have been in the Koprulu sector? I sure can't remember if its ever been stated. As for the the stealing battlecruisers thing I don't remember. Don't really remember much about Brood Wars really.(its been to long)I just remember the gist of each episode.
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