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Spangly A posted:I'm pretty sure you haven't grasped what's actually happening lad. We're not neoliberal because the EU tells us, and it's patently clear they're pulling us to the left at this point. They're pulling us to the left on social/environmental policy in terms of climate change, safety regulations, human rights and all of the other progressive laws here to protect us. However, the economic policy of the EU is dominated by an IMF-style culture that demands deficit reduction, labour flexibility and a small public sector with a bloated private sector. The worst of this doctrine is felt in Greece and the other struggling Mediterranean states, where austerity is causing widespread poverty and suffering because EU bankers impose strict neoliberal policies to countries that build up too much debt. The UK has a very neoliberal consensus, regardless of whether we're in the European Union or not, but it will be near impossible to break the mould while we remain a part of an institution that is founded on the very principals of a free market.
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Spangly A posted:It is. It didn't come across well, though. I'm pretty sure at the time it was self-depricating, or I would hope so. He did suavely charm a tittering old lady in the manner of 'I needed to speak to your mother.. oh, really, you can't be old enough!'. Still, bet he's feeling pretty sexy now, and CLegg is getting booted round Cameron's office.
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Margaret Thatcher posted:They're pulling us to the left on social/environmental policy in terms of climate change, safety regulations, human rights and all of the other progressive laws here to protect us. However, the economic policy of the EU is dominated by an IMF-style culture that demands deficit reduction, labour flexibility and a small public sector with a bloated private sector. The IMF has actually woken up, recently. Even Great Satan Greenspan no longer believes in rational actors. Do you honestly think we'd stop being neoliberal if we left the EU? It's got maybe a decade left, Spain and Italy will kill it before it would've died anyway due to the inherent problems in the Euro. We cannot afford to be out of it for that period.
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ronya posted:the degree of neoliberalism demanded by the EU is minor compared to the degree of neoliberalism enforced by the other common market more commonly known as "the United States", so predictions of its demise seem a tad overconfident Predictions of the demise of the EU have absolutely nothing to do with neoliberalism.
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Margaret Thatcher posted:They're pulling us to the left on social/environmental policy in terms of climate change, safety regulations, human rights and all of the other progressive laws here to protect us. However, the economic policy of the EU is dominated by an IMF-style culture that demands deficit reduction, labour flexibility and a small public sector with a bloated private sector. Like Spangly says, the UK (and EMU) are actually beyond the IMF at this point, at least partly because austerity isn't actually about protecting and strengthening the countries it's being imposed on. It's also the same people championing an EU referendum. Wealthy Tories and ex-hedge fund people like Farage aren't pushing for an EU exit because they're against austerity and an 'open for business' approach to the economy. Of course what we're being set up for here is a 'compromise' where some people want to stay in, some people want to stay out, and amazing pragmatic diplomats like Call Me Dave organise a renegotiation of the treaty which removes all the ~fundamentally bad stuff~ the EU forces us to do - things like regulation, worker rights and protections, human rights and so on. We're really unlikely to actually leave the EU, because it provides too many economic benefits. We'll just end up with the worst of both worlds
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Private Speech posted:I've had landlords ask for references before, but then I'm not british so that might be a part of it. Remember due to our postal rule convention, sending the letter counts as receiving it for a lot of contract disputes, so 'oh it was lost in the post' is just going to make a mediator laugh.
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Lord Twisted posted:Remember due to our postal rule convention, sending the letter counts as receiving it for a lot of contract disputes, so 'oh it was lost in the post' is just going to make a mediator laugh. This really needs to be scrapped because I'm pretty sure it isn't just my house that receives around half of parcels purchased. As for our OP, I'm sure I can out-weird it, with a vague political tie-in. You will soon appreciate my pun. I'm really not sure how to comment.
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Spangly A posted:This really needs to be scrapped because I'm pretty sure it isn't just my house that receives around half of parcels purchased. Just be glad you got out in the morning, and didn't notice the corpse under the duvet.
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Seaside Loafer posted:He is a tender and sensitive lover despite what the rags may say. There is no way to tell if your kidding. You are capable of anything.
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I'm no huge lover of white jeans but I wouldn't call them rags.
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Bozza posted:gently caress all landlords, the fees are absurd. where the living gently caress are you living outside of London for that? LemonDrizzle posted:A homicidal HIV-positive gay nazi crystal meth-smoking veterinarian with a penchant for rough sex? What a nice start to the day. we all have bad days.
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Fluo posted:Let them be pissed off. It's not smoke anyway, I don't see them getting mad at people using nicotine gum in pubs. It's a form of quitting smoking, the gum gives a lot of people acidy stomachs / acid reflux. The patches hard annoying, dont feel like they're working and doesn't give that zap you kind of looking for to help quit. That may be the case for you but, for me, patches worked precisely because they didn't give any 'zap' or instant gratification - just a steady cessation of the need for nicotine. If they don't seem to be working it's probably because they're unders-trength. If e-cigs help people quit real fags that's great, but they'll do so by replacing one habit with another, rather than breaking a habit, which leaves me dubious as to how effective they are long term.
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Any advice or useful knowledge on meetings with politicians? My friend's got a meeting with constituency representative and Welsh Gov Minister for Health and Social Services Mark Drakeford about mental health services. What can she expect?
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Lt. Danger posted:Any advice or useful knowledge on meetings with politicians? My friend's got a meeting with constituency representative and Welsh Gov Minister for Health and Social Services Mark Drakeford about mental health services. What can she expect? Fuctifino fell in love with his Tory MP and hasn't been heard from since.
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Spangly A posted:where the living gently caress are you living outside of London for that? Reading, it's expensive as gently caress. E: a room in a shared house with 4 others is £400+ these days wot a jk m8
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Bozza posted:Reading, it's expensive as gently caress. I pay that in Canters for the shared but you'd get a nice 2 or 3 bed to yourself for £750. Is... is it peaking?
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Pissflaps posted:That may be the case for you but, for me, patches worked precisely because they didn't give any 'zap' or instant gratification - just a steady cessation of the need for nicotine. If they don't seem to be working it's probably because they're unders-trength. I don't smoke and have no desire to do so but I'm not sure if it really matters if e-cigs help you quit. It is surely benefit enough that addicts get their fix in way that is much safer for their health and the health of those around them? Life is unpleasant and almost certain to get much more so for the vast majority of people. If e-cigs make life a bit more bearable without doing much damage to the user's health I'm all for them.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:I don't smoke and have no desire to do so but I'm not sure if it really matters if e-cigs help you quit. It does if you're proposing they are a way of quitting smoking.
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Pissflaps posted:It does if you're proposing they are a way of quitting smoking.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Do they have to be? If they remove the public health problems caused by smoking, they're just a minor and relatively innocuous vice. No not at all, i'm just picking up on that one aspect of their use. My thoughts on it are, while i get that there is no proven harmful effects from 'passive vaping', I was always in favour of the smoking ban, even as a smoker myself. Allowing e-cigarette use in its place just seems like a step backwards. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:Do they have to be? If they remove the public health problems caused by smoking, they're just a minor and relatively innocuous vice. Yeah, this is the thing with them, nicotine as an addiction isn't a huge problem for society to deal with, it's relatively harmless compared to alcohol / opiates so it's not a health issue. The problem and the thing that's bad about smoking is the tobacco, so anything that eliminates that as an option from the "I would like some nicotine" demand is a good thing. Now let's argue about the amount of e-waste generated by one use throw away e-fags 
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Pissflaps posted:My thoughts on it are, while i get that there is no proven harmful effects from 'passive vaping', I was always in favour of the smoking ban, even as a smoker myself. Allowing e-cigarette use in its place just seems like a step backwards. I'm kind of in agreement here, as a vaper. It shouldn't be allowed in restaurants or cinemas or hospitals and the like, where you can't go somewhere else if it's annoying you, but then I'd like phones banned from those places as well for the same reason. They are however, not like tobacco at all, they produce a not-horrible smell and the vapour dissipates into the atmosphere in very little time, they're less harmful than spray air fresheners to others. Again it's the pharma lobby, not tobacco, that is pushing for the ban for reasons entirely to do with profit and nothing to do with public health. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Now let's argue about the amount of e-waste generated by one use throw away e-fags Those things should be banned, or at least allow refillables as much exposure. The throwaways are the thing that the tobacco industry are jumping all over.
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Betjeman posted:I'm kind of in agreement here, as a vaper. It shouldn't be allowed in restaurants or cinemas or hospitals and the like, where you can't go somewhere else if it's annoying you, but then I'd like phones banned from those places as well for the same reason. phones are banned by cinemas. and hospitals do have restrictions on where you can use them. that just leaves restaurants, and i don't even agree with you there. why do you care if someone at a different table is using their phone? doesn't affect you. on the other hand if your dinner partner is using their phone that is potentially a bit rude but that is just a matter between the pair of you. e-cigs are banned indoors across campus here. because management don't want security having to waste their time checking whether people are having a crafty fag or sucking on a pipe that's deliberately designed to look like a fag. i can't argue with that.
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Cerv posted:phones are banned by cinemas. That was a bit of a snide aside, the point was restricting their use is more of an ambience thing rather than a health thing as far as I'm concerned. Cerv posted:e-cigs are banned indoors across campus here. because management don't want security having to waste their time checking whether people are having a crafty fag or sucking on a pipe that's deliberately designed to look like a fag. Neither can I, I really don't get what the point of e-cigs that look like real cigs is other than to promote actual smoking. Ban them for that reason too!
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Tangentially related, I'd like to see energy drinks have an age limit for their sale. Maybe 16 or even 18.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:The problem there is the pharma and tobacco lobbies would push for e-cigs being mandated to look as silly as possible to protect They kind of already do though.   Thats not mine but its getting there (on looking silly). If I hear another Dr Who related joke about it I'm going to scream. Fluo fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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So what have the Tories been like on women's issues? I'm assuming 'terrible', but it would be nice to have a few specifics.
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They look like little flutes. Everytime I see a person smoking one I think they are playing a tune
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ReV VAdAUL posted:The problem there is the pharma and tobacco lobbies would push for e-cigs being mandated to look as silly as possible to protect The tobacco lobby is pushing for a greater takeup of e-cigs, but on their own terms. So, 10ml max container size, 2ml max tank size, and maximum nicotine content all fit into their model of high turnover, disposable product. They don't want them banned, just limited from an innovation standpoint, so they can't be caught off guard again. This is a bad thing, but it's not the only danger to the market. Pharmaceutical industry HATES e-cigs, they don't own the patents and they eat into their NRT share with no way for them to manouevre because they are all out on the "ban this evil poo poo" wagon. Don't mind that the vaporisers they sell are more or less doing exactly the same thing as e-cigs, they contain the same ingredients, except they don't produce a cloud. So they're perceived to be healthier somehow, presumably because they're regulated, but then that's an argument for proper regulation not for a ban. I went on the Nicorette site and the first question it asks is, "are you looking to quit or cut down?" And if you say cut down they offer you product anyway. So the suggestion that NRT is marketed only as a cessation device and not as an alternative is bullshit.
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Poverty? What poverty?quote:Glasgow’s iconic skyscraping symbols of the past – the Red Road tower blocks - will be demolished LIVE during the Opening Ceremony of the Commonwealth Games; a bold and dramatic statement of intent from a city focused on regeneration and a positive future for its people. http://www.glasgow2014.com/press-releases/dramatic-end-red-road-creates-bold-symbol-games-celebration-city-rebirth I cant imagine anyone will find this rather crass and insensitive.
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PiCroft posted:Where can I watch the Clegg/Farage debate in full? Everywhere I've looked is just highlights. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0401ht2/The_European_Union_In_or_Out/
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