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AShamefulDisplay posted:I am the proud product of the Washington public school system and at least in my district, this is true. Even in AP American History the War of 1812 was covered in a single lecture day. I think we did 2 days on the Seven Years' War. We didn't even focus on the big picture of the Seven Years War or the War of Austrian Succession in World History, just the American French and Indian Wars. I learned more about the global effect of those wars in History of Asian Civilizations.
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FuzzySkinner posted:The bizarre thing about people from France is that they seem to LOVE Americans and American pop culture for some reason. Talk about a race to the bottom...
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Al Harrington posted:It is truly depressing what little I learned of our own history in public school. It's more depressing that I learned less in private school and had to play catch up in public. I had a rough time 
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:It's more depressing that I learned less in private school and had to play catch up in public. I had a rough time I was lucky to have an awesome history teacher at private school. We spent an entire year learning about WW1, and the year before that was dedicated to Colorado history. Admittedly those are pretty specific things, and I didn't really know much about world history or even general US history until high school.
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Just got this one from a guy who actually isn't a wingnut and said he didn't want to agree with it:  I told him about the stats on electoral fraud in the US and he basically replied with relief. This guy isn't stupid, either. It just goes to show how pernicious these things are.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:17
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What's the process and/or cost for getting an ID in poor areas in Mexico like? VideoTapir fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Apr 3, 2014 16:34
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Just look at all the corruption and fraud those IDs have prevented in Mexico! Really cleaned things up if you ask me.
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Time for some  examination of progressive memes A friend of mine asked me to fact check this:  And I'm having trouble verifying the tax breakdown. From playing with the cited taxpayer receipt on whitehouse.gov it looks like this hypothetical $50,000/year earner is putting $235.81 toward medicare and ~$950 toward income tax. That's a shockingly low amount, and based on the tax brackets from 2012, their AGI would be close to, or in, the lowest tax bracket even filing singly. Any idea how that situation might arise? I know where they get the $4,000 figure, however. The other article cited on CommonDreams.org states that the average family makes $72,000 and contributes $6,000/year to subsidizing corporations. $50,000 / $72,000 * $6,000 = $4166.67. Obviously that number can't come entirely from the $950 that these people are paying in income tax, but that seems ancillary to where the hell they got the other tax numbers in the first place.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:42
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VideoTapir posted:What's the process and/or cost for getting an ID in poor areas in Mexico like? They're free, and there's lots of places to get one. On the flip side, they're also federal ID's, and it's a huge pain in the rear end to gather all the documents to get or renew one. Mexicans just deal with it because of they actually have a history of severe voter fraud and electoral corruption. USA Today posted:Mexico's voter ID has some key elements that make them acceptable to the public, say officials here. They cost nothing to obtain and the issuing agency operates hundreds of service centers nationwide, making requests relatively easy.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:45
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Badera posted:Just got this one from a guy who actually isn't a wingnut and said he didn't want to agree with it: If he understands the stats on electoral fraud and can see that Democrats don't actually rely on fraud to win elections, you may be able to make a point by asking something like "Why do you think somebody would want you to believe that?", and then depending on how he responds "then why do we need voter ID if it's not a real problem". If there's any room left to play on that you can link him to this: http://www.salon.com/2012/06/25/penn_republican_voter_id_will_help_romney_win/
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Emron posted:Just look at all the corruption and fraud those IDs have prevented in Mexico! Really cleaned things up if you ask me. No, no, no! We need to "upgrade to Mexican [government] standards"! It's the only way forward for America!
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Federal ID is the mark of the beast!!!  If someone starts rattling off the talking points for ID ask them to define the nebulous problem of voter fraud. Presumably it involves a person going from one polling place to another, giving a different name and casting a ballot. So when someone votes they should dip their fingers in ink (this is done in Iraq, Venezuela, and elsewhere). That person won't be able to cast more than one ballot and you don't create poll tax 2.0
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tek79 posted:If he understands the stats on electoral fraud and can see that Democrats don't actually rely on fraud to win elections, you may be able to make a point by asking something like "Why do you think somebody would want you to believe that?", and then depending on how he responds "then why do we need voter ID if it's not a real problem". If there's any room left to play on that you can link him to this: http://www.salon.com/2012/06/25/penn_republican_voter_id_will_help_romney_win/ Oh, he rapidly got there on his own, but I'll keep that in the bank for future VOTER ID discussions.Also, thanks Xombie for that Mexico ID info. You beat me to it.
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McDowell posted:Federal ID is the mark of the beast!!! quote:KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Making good on a threat of election day violence, the Taliban sliced off the index fingers of at least two people in Kandahar province, according to a vote monitoring group.
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While the Taliban and Tea Party have a lot in common, the latter hasn't started cutting people's fingers off. Yet.
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Yeah I think if we have roaming gangs attacking people for participating in elections voter fraud might become a low priority.
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Jabarto posted:We spent an entire year learning about WW1, and the year before that was dedicated to Colorado history. As a Californian I know all about California's awesome history - explorers, missions, wars, gold rush, etc. I know east coast states have histories that go way back and are also totally fascinating. Same with the South. But I read the words "Colorado history" and immediately imagined the extent of it is, "there's mountains and people decided to live there." Sorry. 
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1stGear posted:While the Taliban and Tea Party have a lot in common, the latter hasn't started cutting people's fingers off. Yet. Yeah in this country we murder people for taking part in elections they "shouldn't" be. 
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Choadmaster posted:As a Californian I know all about California's awesome history - explorers, missions, wars, gold rush, etc. I know east coast states have histories that go way back and are also totally fascinating. Same with the South. But I read the words "Colorado history" and immediately imagined the extent of it is, "there's mountains and people decided to live there." Sorry. Speaking as a fellow Californian, I felt as a kid we spent too much time on Californian history. I remember it felt like I was forever learning the same drat things every year, from grade school on up to high school. "Yes, yes, I know about the Gold Rush and the missions already!"
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Radish posted:Yeah in this country we murder people for taking part in elections they "shouldn't" be. The main point isn't to implement the ink dipping, just to show that Voter ID is more about barriers to access than voter fraud.
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Apr 3, 2014 18:16
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McDowell posted:The main point isn't to implement the ink dipping, just to show that Voter ID is more about barriers to access than voter fraud. Of course it is. I would just not be surprised at all if a Tea Partier in a certain area (a.k.a the John Birch Society a.k.a the KKK) murdered a person or chopped off fingers if he saw the wrong types with blue ink on their hands.
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I'm picturing videos showing how someone with dark enough skin can easily make the ink fade to their normal skin color.
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 Is this even worth replying to? I guess I know the answer is obviously no but listening to people cry about Obama is just annoying.
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TheJunkyardGod posted:
What part of 2008 are those numbers from? I believe most of them were all-time worst compared to past decades, and they even worse by the time Obama was sworn in. They aren't worth replying to, since it just completely ignores the recession altogether. It implies, for instance, that there were 118M full time workers, and it just steadily declined by 1 million over the past 5 years. I guess whoever made it got tired of people replying to a graph between those years with a graph that's extended to 2006. edit: For instance, this graph shows that the poverty level was declining from 2004 until 2007, when it began to rise. Then it leveled off and began to decline a few years ago. 
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TheJunkyardGod posted:
If only there were some event we could point to in 2008 before the election even happened (let alone before he took office) that put the economy into the lovely state that we're just now recovering from in any meaningful way. Hahaha, who am I kidding; black man, white house
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Xombie posted:What part of 2008 are those numbers from? I believe most of them were all-time worst compared to past decades, and they even worse by the time Obama was sworn in. It looks like most of the numbers are from November 2008, which is pretty amusing. Edit: Full-time workers (Nov 2008): http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/LNS12500000 Workforce participation (Nov 2008): http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 Homeownership rates (Q4 2008): http://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/files/qtr413/q413press.pdf Median income (2008 average): https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MEHOINUSA672N Debt-to-GDP (Q2 2008): http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GFDEGDQ188S CowHammer fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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TheJunkyardGod posted:
Ask if that is before the enormous hemorrhaging of full time jobs that happened in late 2008 and through the beginning of 2009.
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pacerhimself posted:Ask if that is before the enormous hemorrhaging of full time jobs that happened in late 2008 and through the beginning of 2009. My usual response is just to ask what Obama policies are responsible, and then shoot down their nonsense responses one-by-one.
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Radish posted:Of course it is. I would just not be surprised at all if a Tea Partier in a certain area (a.k.a the John Birch Society a.k.a the KKK) murdered a person or chopped off fingers if he saw the wrong types with blue ink on their hands. Nah, a Tea Partier would claim a gang of a hundred thug negroes attacked him for having ink on his finger, which shows that there is voter intimidation, and black people should be barred from the polls for aggravated knockout gamery.
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NatasDog posted:If only there were some event we could point to in 2008 before the election even happened (let alone before he took office) that put the economy into the lovely state that we're just now recovering from in any meaningful way. Yeah, that's all it really boils down to. The crash was initiated by Bush policies and started during his presidency but the low point was during Obama's presidency so obviously Oblammo is at fault. We haven't recovered yet so obviously he's a weak, ineffective president, so long as you ignore the five years of GOP congressmen literally sabotaging Washington's ability to do anything except rename buildings.
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Hell, even if the crash wasn't due to Bush, it's not like Obama is anything other than center-right economically. Just say "you're right, Obama's continuing use of right-wing policy has continued to push the economy into the shitter for everyone but the richest Americans. Hopefully in 2016 we can elect a leftist President and finally reverse course." e: Or, if you don't want to get into that, you could alternately point out how one party has spent his entire administration attempting to prevent anything positive from happening, up to and including shutting down the government and actively working to cut jobs whenever possible.
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Badera posted:Just got this one from a guy who actually isn't a wingnut and said he didn't want to agree with it: Can you imagine how much right wing blogs would poo poo themselves if Obama introduced a compulsory universal ID card.
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Sardine Wit posted:Can you imagine how much right wing blogs would poo poo themselves if Obama introduced a compulsory universal ID card. That was one of my first thoughts, as well. The Federal government is one whiff of brimstone shy of being Satan according to much of the right, so how can they seriously use the Mexican ID card as an example of something good? Also: Mexico. Does the conservative community actually believe Mexico is an example of democracy done right, and fraud contained? Actually, given Mexico's reputation for letting the rich buy their way out of everything from traffic tickets to murder charges (money makes right), maybe that is exactly what they think. I've stopped more than one ID argument cold by agreeing, yes, we absolutely should require valid ID to vote, and that valid ID and all documents necessary to obtain said ID, should be provided free of charge. That's pretty much a show-stopper, because my opponent is never going to admit that the real reason his side wants to require ID is to stop poor minorities from voting.
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In the midst of rage that the ACA hit its goal, I'm seeing a lot of this: I wonder why Knight fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Knight posted:In the midst of rage that the ACA hit its goal, I'm seeing a lot of this: Man, her poor loving kids. I wish you could use posts like this to get child services involved.
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I would NEVER protect my children from deadly diseases. And that, sir, was bragging.
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I like when people CAPITALIZE words in the MIDDLE of sentences. Really gets the POINT across.
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ShortStack posted:I like when people CAPITALIZE words in the MIDDLE of sentences. Really gets the POINT across. It's fun, like reading a flyer for an old-timey sideshow and snake-oil huckstering wagon.
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andrew smash posted:It's fun, like reading a flyer for an old-timey sideshow and snake-oil huckstering wagon. Republicans, still looking for Henry Scudder even though he nicked the last trolley to Texarkana back in aught seven.
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Knight posted:In the midst of rage that the ACA hit its goal, I'm seeing a lot of this: Until this past week when I got pneumonia and would've had to spend $750 on medication, x-rays, and lab work if it wasn't for insurance. So basically I'm remarkably thankful that I have insurance and everyone no matter how healthy they say they are should get it. If I hadn't had it I might've not gone in and I shudder to think about my condition if I hadn't gone in when I did. People who don't get health insurance because they say they don't need it are dumb. And $750 is a drop in the bucket for many medical bills.
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