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namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Saltin posted:

Groceries are expensive in Canada period, but cheese is an order of magnitude more expensive than it should be and it's artificially high on purpose . My wife and I spend a decent amount of time in the Yucatan in Mexico and you can get good fresh groceries for a family there, a bottle of tequila and a case of beer for around $100 USD and it's enough to last the week (not the beer, that lasts a few days).

Trader Joes is a loving godsend for cheap, good, groceries. Milk is like less than 2 bucks for 1.89L

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HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

PT6A posted:

Maybe Calgary's more expensive than I realized, but I routinely pay $10-15 for around 300g of [good tasting] cheese. Is that really obscene? Granted, it will take me about 2-3 weeks to make my way through that cheese unless I specifically cook dishes that use a lot of cheese.

I'm a heathen that actually doesn't really like cheese, that's how much I pay for cheddar, which is the only cheese I buy. But yeah, cheese prices in Canada are stupid to begin with, but in Whistler they're even worse. I remember when I was in Italy in 2012 the local supermarket had parmesan on sale, E1.09 for a kilo.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.
Thank the dairy cartel and supply management for that one.

Odd that we have expensive food staples as a national policy goal.

enbot
Jun 7, 2013

PT6A posted:

Maybe Calgary's more expensive than I realized, but I routinely pay $10-15 for around 300g of [good tasting] cheese. Is that really obscene? Granted, it will take me about 2-3 weeks to make my way through that cheese unless I specifically cook dishes that use a lot of cheese.

Have you tried Wisconsin Parmesan? It's a bit cheaper. Really nice to wash it down with some Californian Champagne, too.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

enbot posted:

Have you tried Wisconsin Parmesan? It's a bit cheaper. Really nice to wash it down with some Californian Champagne, too.

No, it was Balderson 2-year-old Cheddar at around $10/280g.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Cultural Imperial posted:

Trader Joes is a loving godsend for cheap, good, groceries. Milk is like less than 2 bucks for 1.89L

Trader Joes is pretty much my fav place to shop, pretty good overall for the groceries, nice staff and lots of cute girls tend to work there too.

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

PT6A posted:

No, it was Balderson 2-year-old Cheddar at around $10/280g.

He was making fun of you :ssh:

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Whiskey Sours posted:

He was making fun of you :ssh:

I know; he's quite committed, as are other people, to demonstrate their ignorance on the subject of why PDOs are a good thing for producers and consumers. It doesn't matter, because luckily all the people I deal with in my daily life agree with me on this subject. You see, when we were having the large argument whence came my custom title, I was worried that perhaps I was in the minority, and it was frustrating, but it turns out I'm not.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
PT6A, stop making every thread about cheese, it's annoying as gently caress.

Today's dose of schadenfreude: Condo price drop vaporizes couple’s life savings

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

RBC posted:

PT6A, stop making every thread about cheese, it's annoying as gently caress.

Today's dose of schadenfreude: Condo price drop vaporizes couple’s life savings

lol

Situation: Bad condo investment was enough to decimate retirement plan, but they also subsidize friend who rents it from them

Solution: Even with selling the property and working until 70, this couple will struggle with current income. A bigger paycheque would help

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.
Holy Christ. That's unreal.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Lexicon posted:

Holy Christ. That's unreal.

They suck at money such as renting their cash drain condo to a friend for only $575 a month.

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Well there's a great example of how a family can have substantial income and still gently caress up their finances badly.

The husband makes $1875/month gross part time. That's what, at least $1650 net for him considering super low Alberta taxes, right? So his wife is making 4650/month net income, maybe 6000 gross? I hope her $72K/year job at a non-profit feels secure, and that they don't suddenly have to start paying more than just $100/month in child care for a 7 year-old.

By the way, I thought there was no housing bubble? Where exactly did their BC rental condo tank so badly, Whistler?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

eXXon posted:

Well there's a great example of how a family can have substantial income and still gently caress up their finances badly.

The husband makes $1875/month gross part time. That's what, at least $1650 net for him considering super low Alberta taxes, right? So his wife is making 4650/month net income, maybe 6000 gross? I hope her $72K/year job at a non-profit feels secure, and that they don't suddenly have to start paying more than just $100/month in child care for a 7 year-old.

By the way, I thought there was no housing bubble? Where exactly did their BC rental condo tank so badly, Whistler?

plus the whole thing on how due to the condo price drop, they basically lost their whole 70,000 cash downpayment.

For a comparison purposes the same investment put into a diversified investment portfolio would only loses around 20% in a worst case situation (2009 recession) but then rapidly recover in the follow years.

Home ownership as a "investment" pretty much sucks due to maintenance costs, selling costs, taxes and also the all eggs in one basket/no liquidity problem which the biggest knock against the idea IMO.

etalian fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Apr 5, 2014

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
The part I find the most unbelievable is that they're they're just giving their friend a $600 freebie on the condo. Every month.

Regarding the analysis - I don't know how tenant-friendly BC is, but having a tenant at $600 below the market would be a pretty big disincentive to an investment buyer, wouldn't it? And a buyer who intends to occupy wouldn't care whether if there was a renter. I agree that they should sell the place and cut their losses, but that point just seemed a bit weird.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

FrozenVent posted:

The part I find the most unbelievable is that they're they're just giving their friend a $600 freebie on the condo. Every month.

Regarding the analysis - I don't know how tenant-friendly BC is, but having a tenant at $600 below the market would be a pretty big disincentive to an investment buyer, wouldn't it? And a buyer who intends to occupy wouldn't care whether if there was a renter. I agree that they should sell the place and cut their losses, but that point just seemed a bit weird.

Also another investment pro-tip is never rush out to buy a property after big job move, it's better to wait a few years to see if the area and also
jobs pan out after the relocation.

In their case after moving from the UK they rushed out to buy their dream condo in 2008.

pacerhimself
Dec 30, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Antifreeze Head posted:


Of all places, I'm surprised that you're having trouble finding something in or near Transcona that's affordable. There's a nice looking place on Leola right now for $180,000. It's been on the market for ten days, so while it won't be available when you move back, it's not like they're disappearing within hours of being listed.

Interestingly that house was just relisted at $5k lower. I'm hesitant to take this as a sign of anything but it is the opposite of what I've been expecting.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Wish I'd taken a picture, but last fall there was a Duproprio for sale sign on the corner of a cul-de-sac for a house inside, and for whatever reason they had the asking price written on the sign.

Then they'd changed an 8 into a 3.

Then they crossed the price out and wrote another one in marker.

The sign went away around the first snowstorm, I don't know if the house was sold or the sign just got knocked over.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

RBC posted:

PT6A, stop making every thread about cheese, it's annoying as gently caress.

I'm not the one who brings it up.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




RBC posted:

PT6A, stop making every thread about cheese, it's annoying as gently caress.

Today's dose of schadenfreude: Condo price drop vaporizes couple’s life savings

From that article:

FinPo posted:

She has come full circle from middle class security to cultural hobo and back to middle class but without financial security. They have take home salary income of $6,284 a month and receive $650 rent from a condo they own. Total income — $6,934 a month.

Again, though, the whole "middle class" thing. With an after-tax income of $83K/year, these people are a hair's breadth from the top income quintile. They are not "middle class". They are rich.

And that budget? $1K/month on food for two people and one kid? Do they do all their shopping at Whole Foods and specialist boutiques? Plus they've got enough personal debt that they're making nearly $800/month in payments, but there's nary a mention of debt snowballing or even trying to address that in the article.

Lead out in cuffs posted:

So I guess it's the wealthiest Canadians living beyond their means.

Ugh, by the end of this bubble, I don't think things will quite be Mad Max, but there's a good chance of reliving the 1930s.

Saltin
Aug 20, 2003
Don't touch

etalian posted:

lol
Solution: Even with selling the property and working until 70, this couple will struggle with current income. A bigger paycheque would help

I love how these assholes have $500 a month for eating out and entertainment, but can only handle $425 a year for their kid's (I hope it's only one) RESP.

This is what financial illiteracy plus "gotta shine even if I am middle class" looks like, and it is ground loving zero for the shitstorm.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Saltin posted:

I love how these assholes have $500 a month for eating out and entertainment, but can only handle $425 a year for their kid's (I hope it's only one) RESP.

This is what financial illiteracy plus "gotta shine even if I am middle class" looks like, and it is ground loving zero for the shitstorm.

Yeah it's pretty much a good example of having enough income but squandering it due to bad decisions.

Saltin
Aug 20, 2003
Don't touch
Just realized I should not have said "middle class". Fair play I corrected someone about class talk a while back. I mean income.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Saltin posted:

Just realized I should not have said "middle class". Fair play I corrected someone about class talk a while back. I mean income.

Quintiles => where it's at. I was subconsciously nodding in solemn approval at Lead out in cuffs recent usage.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Lead out in cuffs posted:



And that budget? $1K/month on food for two people and one kid? Do they do all their shopping at Whole Foods and specialist boutiques? Plus they've got enough personal debt that they're making nearly $800/month in payments, but there's nary a mention of debt snowballing or even trying to address that in the article.



bro, wheat is poison

don't h8

MeinPanzer
Dec 20, 2004
anyone who reads Cinema Discusso for anything more than slackjawed trolling will see the shittiness in my posts

Saltin posted:

Groceries are expensive in Canada period, but cheese is an order of magnitude more expensive than it should be and it's artificially high on purpose . My wife and I spend a decent amount of time in the Yucatan in Mexico and you can get good fresh groceries for a family there, a bottle of tequila and a case of beer for around $100 USD and it's enough to last the week (not the beer, that lasts a few days).

I always heard about cheese prices, but it never fully sunk in until I moved to Philadelphia. Now I regularly buy high-quality aged cheese for well under $1 per 100g (the standard size here is 300g blocks, for some reason, at around $2-2.50).

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

My girlfriend's father is working out West and has mentioned that he has a few friends that are buying houses to live in while they're living out there with the intention of selling them "when they're done", aka when the oil runs out, because from my experience Maritimers that go West to work for a few years rarely return when they plan to, often because they didn't save anywhere near the amount of money they planned on.

When I pointed out the enormous risk they took given that the price of their houses is completely dependent on Albertan oil I got a smile, slow head shake, "you don't understand" response.

I guess when you're in Alberta there is an overwhelming sense of abundance and feeling that things will go on forever, because I think he (and my girlfriend and her family) see my "the market could crash" rhetoric as naive "the sky is falling" nonsense.

on the left
Nov 2, 2013
I Am A Gigantic Piece Of Shit

Literally poo from a diseased human butt
If you want to buy an asset that will be valuable when the Canadian oil runs out, it should be an asset denominated in USD or Euro. The Canadian dollar will probably drop sharply when oil exports slow.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

on the left posted:

If you want to buy an asset that will be valuable when the Canadian oil runs out, it should be an asset denominated in USD or Euro. The Canadian dollar will probably drop sharply when oil exports slow.

This logic, while sound, is unfortunately impossible to time. CAD might start a slow, unyielding descent tomorrow; it might also have a meteoric rise over the next decade. All you can really do with any probabilistic confidence is invest in a balanced, diversified portfolio with plenty of foreign equities.

Antifreeze Head
Jun 6, 2005

It begins
Pillbug

Professor Shark posted:

My girlfriend's father is working out West and has mentioned that he has a few friends that are buying houses to live in while they're living out there with the intention of selling them "when they're done", aka when the oil runs out, because from my experience Maritimers that go West to work for a few years rarely return when they plan to, often because they didn't save anywhere near the amount of money they planned on.

Just who do they think will buy that house in a place where there is suddenly a huge shortage of jobs? People might want to retire to a quiet fishing village out east, but the number of people that want to spend their golden years next to tailings ponds and dealing with possibly flammable ground water has to be miniscule.

Just buy zinc. Tons and tons of zinc costs less than a few ounces of gold. You can probably build a kick rear end fort with all that zinc, which would offer a very affordable housing option if the worst of worse predictions were to come true.

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

Professor Shark posted:

My girlfriend's father is working out West and has mentioned that he has a few friends that are buying houses to live in while they're living out there with the intention of selling them "when they're done", aka when the oil runs out, because from my experience Maritimers that go West to work for a few years rarely return when they plan to, often because they didn't save anywhere near the amount of money they planned on.

Coke and diesel pickups aren't cheap.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
The developer of the potemkin village is bankrupt.

http://m.thetyee.ca/News/2014/04/05/Olympic-Village-Developer-Bankrupt/

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

:lol: at the purchasers who want refunds. They better not loving get one.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Lexicon posted:

:lol: at the purchasers who want refunds. They better not loving get one.

lol

A statement of business affairs shows $96.31 million in liabilities and $95.32 million in assets for nearly a million dollar deficiency. City of Vancouver is the secured creditor at $95.32 million, of which $92.54 million is land and buildings and $2.77 million cash on hand.

sauer kraut
Oct 2, 2004

MeinPanzer posted:

I always heard about cheese prices, but it never fully sunk in until I moved to Philadelphia. Now I regularly buy high-quality aged cheese for well under $1 per 100g (the standard size here is 300g blocks, for some reason, at around $2-2.50).

Cheese check for the Socialist Combine of Western Europe:
400g young Gouda for general use 2.19€
200g very aged & brittle goodness 1.89€
200g supermarket Parmigiano 3.29€

sauer kraut fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Apr 8, 2014

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
So, all y'all who know homeowners should link them to this: http://housing-analysis.blogspot.com/2013/12/interest-rates-and-2014.html?spref=tw

Enjoy the renewal gap motherfuckers.

quote:


Interest Rates and 2014
The Canadian mortgage market favours five year fixed rate term renewals, and as such the prospects for those looking to renew mortgages in the coming year matters for inflation as well as credit growth. A borrower has a few options at renewal time, including continuing to amortize a loan on its original schedule, refinancing for a different loan amount, and changing between fixed and variable rate over various terms. Now-retired "Vancouver Housing Blogger" brought us the concept of the "renewal gap", the interest rate differential a borrower sees upon mortgage renewal, shown below for the 5 year fixed rate mortgage using the "average residential mortgage rate" as reported by CMHC, and the "posted" rate as reported by the Bank of Canada (note current rates are held as constant indefinitely into the future):

Extending this concept further, we can look in terms of change in payment, which depends upon whether a borrower refinances or re-amortizes. The four scenarios considered are:
Borrower refinances a 5-year amortized $100,000 loan into another $100,000 25 year amortization loan (and pocketing the amortized amount) (blue line)
Borrower refinances a 5-year amortized $100,000 loan into a $100,000 20 year amortization loan (and pocketing the amortized amount) (red line)
Borrower continues a 5-year amortized $100,000 loan into a 25-year amortization loan (ie extends the amortization only) (yellow line)
Borrower continues a 5-year amortized $100,000 loan into a 20-year amortization loan (ie continues the amortization schedule; this would be the scenario for a borrower who wants to continue with a government-insured policy loan) (green line)
The four scenarios are graphed below for the average lending rate, again assuming current rates are extended indefinitely into the future:


The blue and green lines overlap exactly. That is, a borrower deciding to refinance a $100,000 loan for 25 years or continuing to finance a loan five years into its 25 year amortization for 20 years is the same. If a borrower decides to refinance but not re-amortize, that results in a higher payment, and if a borrower decides not to refinance but to re-amortize, that results in the lowest payment in the scenarios considered.

Starting in 2012 and continuing all the way until today, all four scenarios resulted in lower mortgage payments compared to the previous five year term. Starting in early 2014, that scenario quickly changes, with only the re-amortization scenario offering any significant easing of payments. The sudden change in payment terms for borrowers will tend to reduce credit growth and yet be relatively inflationary through most of 2014 and all years hence, barring any significant drops in mortgage rates.




HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
How long does cheese from Europe last at room temperature if I were to smuggle cheap cheese back to Canada?

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

HookShot posted:

How long does cheese from Europe last at room temperature if I were to smuggle cheap cheese back to Canada?

It'd be smushy before CBSA and CFIA let you out of the little windowless room at the airport.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
lol loving Tsur Sommerville

http://www.news1130.com/2014/04/08/get-used-to-condos-or-leave-metro-vancouver-ubc-expert/

quote:

METRO VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – If you’ve been hoping to buy a single-detached family home, you may not be able to do it here in Metro Vancouver.

A House Price Survey from Royal LePage finds the push for high density is eating away at housing supply, and pushing prices up.

Tsur Somerville with the UBC Centre for Urban Economics and Real Estate says he doesn’t see prices for detached homes going down anytime soon, since the inventory is shrinking to make way for more condos.

“It’s sort of two choices. One is live in something other than a single family house, and that’s a function of what else is available. Or, go live somewhere else.”

Somerville says the problem is the region doesn’t have enough room to build more detached housing unless we open up the Agricultural Land Reserve.

“We’re in a difficult situation. What we need to be more aggressive about is really allowing for more family-friendly options that aren’t single-family housing.”

The survey found the prices of detached homes increased nearly five per cent in the first quarter of 2014 compared to last year.

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HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

FrozenVent posted:

It'd be smushy before CBSA and CFIA let you out of the little windowless room at the airport.

:(

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