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McDowell posted:I'm also curious what they mean by immigrants 'grazing' on the nation. Welfare. --- It all started in 2016. Obama refused to give up office, his armed union thugs helping him usher in a tyrannical reign. First, he came for the cows and I said nothing. The year is now 2041; cows are scarce, and they graze the barren hellscape in ever fewer numbers. We few patriots who remain do our best to protect them, the sacred animal of our stalwart resistance to dictatorship and slavery, but we grow fewer by the day. This morning I awoke and looked over my herd of cattle, breathing in the filthy air. I look for a hay bale, but they've all long since turned to ash.  "Where have all the cowboys gone?" my cohort wonders aloud.
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McDowell posted:I'm also curious what they mean by immigrants 'grazing' on the nation. It's just another stupid wrapping of "Immigrants here illegally on MY tax dollars!!! Being fed and clothed and housed by the government with MY MONEY!!!" Stupid. Many ways it could be understood as stupid.
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Redeye Flight posted:It's just another stupid wrapping of "Immigrants here illegally on MY tax dollars!!! Being fed and clothed and housed by the government with MY MONEY!!!" Not only that, but immigrants (both legal and not) contribute more to the economy than they extract. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=881584
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Prism posted:I just assume that whenever anyone continuously uses the term 'the Feds', whatever they said isn't really worth listening to. Now now, it's useful when you're talking about intergovernmental jurisdiction and government v. government claims on who has the power to pass a law! ...and that's about it, and even then only because I get tired of saying "the federal government has X power and the provincial government has y power" and I'm not really sure what the point I'm making is, but I would say there are some legitimate uses? I guess?
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Because I mean, passing a law that makes convictions after a shooting less likely, well... Edit: Oh duh, just noticed the reversed axis 
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Sir Rolo posted:
Wow, that's just such bad graph design my brain hurts. They weren't going for anything besides maybe imagery of blood dripping down the side of the graph, It's so bad it's unintentionally misleading and they had to put a "fixed" version on the article.
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Alkydere posted:Wow, that's just such bad graph design my brain hurts. They weren't going for anything besides maybe imagery of blood dripping down the side of the graph, It's so bad it's unintentionally misleading and they had to put a "fixed" version on the article. That graph is by Business Insider, there's not a single thing unintentional about it being misleading. e: No, I guess the chart is from Reuters? Weird.
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Mornacale posted:That graph is by Business Insider, there's not a single thing unintentional about it being misleading. Yup, the chart is for an article about the "stand your ground" laws causing a massive spike in gun-related deaths. It's just so drenched in artistic license that you can't tell what it's saying unless you read the article or flip it upside down.
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It also, at a glance, makes it seem like the figure in question went down after Stand Your Ground was passed instead of what actually happened. I didn't realize there was anybody worse at graphs than Fox News. It's so screwed up that I immediately assumed that it must have been attached to some kind of article that was trying to spin FUD about Stand Your Ground laws trying to spin them in a positive light.
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The old guy who taught me how to clearly report my data would spin in his grave if he saw that graph. Oy
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Wow yikes yeah. Im like "If it's not supporting stand your ground what is it doing because all I see is-oooooooooooooh" Why would you invert that?
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RagnarokAngel posted:Wow yikes yeah. Im like "If it's not supporting stand your ground what is it doing because all I see is-oooooooooooooh" Because if the deaths go up it could be construed as a positive effect. The person who made this was more concerned with saying the law was bad than telling us how.
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It would also be possible for someone to glance at it and take away that the number of murders went down but that doesn't necessarily mean that gun deaths went down, just more of them stopped being investigated/prosecuted as murders because suddenly it's okay to shoot people.
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This is magical, don't be modest. Edit: James Bond in "A Skew to a Kill".
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Huh, I never witnessed a sovereign citizen in the wild. This was on a local radio station's page, which was talking about the school stabbing (public page, so I left the names and a couple of earlier comments for context). The question posted was "Do you forgive the student? Should he be placed in a mental hospital or go to prison?" As you can see, this ended the conversation. 
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Alkydere posted:Wow, that's just such bad graph design my brain hurts. They weren't going for anything besides maybe imagery of blood dripping down the side of the graph, It's so bad it's unintentionally misleading and they had to put a "fixed" version on the article. They also listed two distinct categories there, 'gun deaths' and 'gun murders' and it isn't clear what is on the chart or how they categorized things.
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Mike the TV posted:From facebook My eyes now do a knee-jerk roll anytime they see "WE THE PEOPLE" or any variation. Thanks Obama.
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Mike the TV posted:From facebook
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Pfirti86 posted:My eyes now do a knee-jerk roll anytime they see "WE THE PEOPLE" or any variation. Thanks Obama. Yeah, if you see that phrase, you can rest assured that whatever follows is utter drivel, regardless of source.
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I got this one from my father today (he is a Vietnam vet).FW: FW: Military Justice posted:Obama has cut benefits for military veterans by over 50% since he has been in office. This is the story of one soldier's struggles: Obviously there are a few things that are untrue in here. Like, getting the flu won't kill a healthy young man. It'll just make him stronger. Getting sick is like nature's vaccines (please ignore my title, some jerk did that, not me.) What should I say back to him?
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Cache Cab posted:What should I say back to him? What do you expect to achieve? Do you think he's interested in a rational argument, or do you think he's just looking to stroke his hate boner for the black POTUS? A good place to start would be pointing out that the Pentagon establishes the budget for Tricare, and the Veterans Administration budget keeps going up. Say that the story is obviously untrue to any rational adult and that lying about the President is pretty childish, since it takes like five seconds to find out that Obama hasn't cut benefits at all. Jeff got a pink slip in the mail from the Marines and he died of wasting patriot disease RIP Private Jeff boner confessor fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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It sounds like fiction written by someone who has never been in the military.
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Cache Cab posted:What should I say back to him? I love how it ignores the fact that all Active Duty and retired military get absolutely free socialized healthcare through TriCare. They don't pay a cent. This military strawman would most likely be stationed in Andrews AFB and there's an MTF right there. Also, all AD military are required to get vaccinations, including the Flonase/FluShot every November. That's just bullshit point #1.
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Honestly, I think it is a parody, but Poe's law and all that. I don't think the person who wrote that has ever been in any military, or even close to one. Being "fired" from the Marines? Seriously? Having to pay for medical care out of your own pocket when you are a soldier on active duty, for injuries/sicknesses suffered from performing your assigned duties? How do you show up for work early when you are technically on duty 24 hours a day? The President of the United States of America being "rude" by not adhering to the standards of one United States Marine is cute, too. I'm sure Obongo was just playing Flappy Bird on his iPhone while waiting for poor Jeff to get a little colder. Alternatively "Why should I care about one guys lovely life choices? If he had joined a Union he could have made more money and gotten healthcare for free, for doing less work. What an idiot."
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Obama running late: 'oh no, Jeff's gonna be so mad!' Obama sitting inside enjoying a glass of brandy by the fire 'Maybe I should invite Jeff in, he looked so cold  '
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usbombshell posted:Huh, I never witnessed a sovereign citizen in the wild. This was on a local radio station's page, which was talking about the school stabbing (public page, so I left the names and a couple of earlier comments for context). Holy crap that was aggravating to read. "ure" and the nuttery with "maritime law" and "the delivery rooms are the only hospital rooms called "wards", like a prison" is so stupid.
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Cache Cab posted:What should I say back to him? Ask for corroborating evidence that the story is true. There should have been an obituary printed. RIP JEFF THANKS OBAMA
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Or hell, just ask him who he thinks wrote that little blurb. It wasn't the Marine, for obvious reasons. Would a grieving family member really make sure to get the calculated quip about Obamacare in there? Oh, what's that? It's written by someone detached from the situation? Well, how the gently caress would they know so many minor details about Jeff totally calling out Obummer on cutting his socialist military healthcare? And for that matter, why the gently caress do we trust that guy's word about how things ~totally~ happened, believe me guys it really really happened just like that?  Seriously, it's one layer deep. Who wrote that. Generic American fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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Mike the TV posted:From facebook But..... He's describing Righties.
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Cache Cab posted:Obviously there are a few things that are untrue in here. Like, getting the flu won't kill a healthy young man. It'll just make him stronger. Getting sick is like nature's vaccines (please ignore my title, some jerk did that, not me.) Well no. Flu can kill a healthy young man if it goes untreated and depending on the virulence of the particular flu. A significant portion of the deaths from the 1918 flu pandemic were in otherwise healthy young adults. The idea of surviving a disease means you are "stronger" is based on some simplification of how diseases work. While you're unlikely to be reinfected with that exact strain of influenza again, influenza viruses mutate quickly enough that you could still get (and die from) the flu the next year. In fact infections that people survive leave quite a few people paralyzed, chronically ill, etc. For instance, a severe case of influenza-related bronchitis left my brother with chronic shortness of breath for most of his childhood. Getting sick is still not a good thing, even if it will provide protection from that particular disease especially when considering the flu. Most of the childhood illnesses that this "getting sick = a vaccine" was true for (measles, chicken pox, etc.) now have vaccines so it's much better to get your children vaccinated than to let them get sick.
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Cache Cab agrees with you about that, he was saying those things as examples of untrue statements in the quoted source material.
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Do Marines not have cold-weather uniforms? I've been outside for two hours in the snow without dying of influenza: it took a little thing called a coat and gloves.
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That story is one hell of an argument for universal health care.
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Brawnfire posted:Do Marines not have cold-weather uniforms? I've been outside for two hours in the snow without dying of influenza: it took a little thing called a coat and gloves. I would assume they wear their dress uniforms if they are on ceremonial duty.
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Discendo Vox posted:Cache Cab agrees with you about that, he was saying those things as examples of untrue statements in the quoted source material. None of those things are in the email they quoted.
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Colonel J posted:That story is one hell of an argument for universal mental health care.
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