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Brown Moses posted:Maliha, Damascus got hit by the government tonight, some of the injuries are very much of the "how did they survive that" type injury, especially the first guy in this video. Very That first injury... probably not a survivable wound, at least I hope not... Something I've been wondering about the Kfar Zita attacks- what elements of the Syrian Army are engaged in that area? Are barrel bombs constructed in the local area of operations, or are they coming from somewhere else? Is there any kind of industrial infrastructure that would allow for easy access to chlorine gas?
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# ? Apr 19, 2014 22:33 |
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What, may I pray-tell, is the first injury? I don't want to actively look into this but my curiosity is piqued.
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# ? Apr 19, 2014 22:41 |
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Dude with half of his face caved in.
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# ? Apr 19, 2014 22:44 |
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Guy's missing half his face and half of his left leg.
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# ? Apr 19, 2014 22:51 |
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suboptimal posted:Dude with half of his face caved in. Ah. I've seen the people who've survived something like that. I watched a thing about a woman who got shot in the face with a shotgun, destroying both eyes and her nose, and how they've made a prosthetic face for her and folks like her. I'm fairly certain that guy probably isn't going to survive that wound, given the declining level of medical care in Syria.
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# ? Apr 19, 2014 23:54 |
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If he's going to die it looks like it'd be more because of that nasty leg wound. I think the only reason he didn't bleed out is cause it looks like the popliteal artery is possibly still intact. The facial trauma looks like it only took off the nose, and maybe destroyed the eyes and sockets but can't really tell.
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 00:45 |
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Brown Moses posted:More horrible from Syria, it appears the trapped fighters in Homs broke out of their area, then captured and slaughtered some Assad "militias". Videos and pictures have been posted, showing decapitated heads, rows of corpses with their hands tied, a head on a pole, and various other horrible stuff. Do these get saved anywhere? All links are dead already. And with that other video, it's almost like "gently caress, do you even want to survive with those types of injuries..." thepaladin4488 fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Apr 20, 2014 |
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Mans posted:I think it would be easier to live a year in Antarctica than living a year in Homs. AllofSyria.txt Then again there could be areas that are surprisingly intact, sort of like when a tornado goes to town. Wasn't there some group doing studies of satellite photos to determine how much of Syria that has been reduced to rubble?
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 08:39 |
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Young Freud posted:Ah. I've seen the people who've survived something like that. I watched a thing about a woman who got shot in the face with a shotgun, destroying both eyes and her nose, and how they've made a prosthetic face for her and folks like her. A lot of those people survive, they just don't get prosthetic faces, and it heals how it heals. It's awful.
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 08:57 |
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Mans posted:I think it would be easier to live a year in Antarctica than living a year in Homs. So is there basically any chance of the rebels winning this war at this point, or is it probably just going to be a long(er), brutal, pointless slog towards maintaining the political status quo?
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 09:30 |
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Jagchosis posted:So is there basically any chance of the rebels winning this war at this point, or is it probably just going to be a long(er), brutal, pointless slog towards maintaining the political status quo? Still 50/50 who could win this. In a brutal civil war like this, the will and determination of the fighting parties is the most important thing on determining when the fighting will stop. Essentially, if either the rebels or the regime suffer a collapse following a huge, strategically important loss, then we could say who is winning with some certainty. Right now, it's still a stalemate. Everytime someone makes gains, it turns out the other side also makes gains somewhere else. As long as both sides think they can win, the war continues.
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Libluini posted:Still 50/50 who could win this. In a brutal civil war like this, the will and determination of the fighting parties is the most important thing on determining when the fighting will stop. Essentially, if either the rebels or the regime suffer a collapse following a huge, strategically important loss, then we could say who is winning with some certainty. Right now, it's still a stalemate. Everytime someone makes gains, it turns out the other side also makes gains somewhere else. As long as both sides think they can win, the war continues. That's very interesting to hear, actually. I've periodically checked in on this thread for a while (I stopped actively checking it after the U.S. accidentally avoided intervening in Syria) and I've only seen bad news for the rebels. What would be a decisive turning point for either side? Aleppo falling? al-Assad being carbombed?
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 10:08 |
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As long as you've got Russia and Iran pouring money and military aid into the Assad regime and Saudi Arabia and Qatar doing the same for the rebel groups, then the conflict could continue almost indefinitely. http://dartthrowingchimp.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/how-long-will-syrias-civil-war-last-its-really-hard-to-say/ quote:According to studies of intra-state conflicts since 1945, civil wars tend to last an average of about seven to 12 years. That would put the end of the war somewhere between 2018 and 2023.
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Jagchosis posted:That's very interesting to hear, actually. I've periodically checked in on this thread for a while (I stopped actively checking it after the U.S. accidentally avoided intervening in Syria) and I've only seen bad news for the rebels. What would be a decisive turning point for either side? Aleppo falling? al-Assad being carbombed? I think if the rebels could take and hold on to Damascus, the regime would collapse pretty fast. At that point the regime's options would be essentially: 1. Retake the city at all costs. 2. Retreat to the coastal territory still in Assad's hand. If the regime's forces can't do either, they're finished and will simply disintegrate. For Assad to achieve victory it's a lot harder, since his enemy is a group of various military forces only barely acting under a unified command. I guess to win he has to destroy at least all the important ones. Or hope they fall into one final, fatal case of infighting.
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 10:29 |
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British Jihadist Rayat al-Tawheed talk about "Five Star Jihad" in this English language video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_u9bPDcjug
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 10:48 |
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This video is from activists from Hama is a short film on the recent chlorine barrel bomb attacks. Arabic only, but it seems like it would be worth translating as soon as possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2-hbpc3c34
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 11:45 |
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That last page, 1390, has gotta be one of the more war-crime heavy/gruesome pages I've seen so far. Goddamn this terrible war.
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 13:42 |
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Assad went to Maalula today: quote:Syrian President Bashar Assad on Easter Sunday visited the ancient Christian town of Maalula, which his troops recently recaptured from rebels, state television said. I know he's been to other areas that have been recaptured by the military (like Baba Amr in mid-2012), but it's pretty interesting that he already went to Maalula on account of how heavy the fighting was.
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 13:45 |
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It's a good public relations move, he's purposely trying to present himself as a protector of religious minorities against jihadi terrorists. That's also why the regime highlighted the murder of that Dutch priest a while back.
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Phlegmish posted:It's a good public relations move, he's purposely trying to present himself as a protector of religious minorities against jihadi terrorists. That's also why the regime highlighted the murder of that Dutch priest a while back. It's kind of his main selling point. All the Christians I know are 100% in support of Assad, primarily because he did manage to keep minorities unpersecuted. That and the media is playing up the brutality of the rebels and "if they win you'll all be slaughtered".
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 17:38 |
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The Egyptian presidential elections are going forward next month with only two candidates: Abdelfattah al-Sisi and Hamdeen Sabbahi. Yay democracy.
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Ham posted:The Egyptian presidential elections are going forward next month with only two candidates: Abdelfattah al-Sisi and Hamdeen Sabbahi. Yay democracy. What's the expected outcome for Sabbahi? Any quasi-credible polling data? I remember him from the first elections as a pretty decent guy, but I'm under no illusions. Is it possible the authorities would allow him to pull off a respectable (or even close) defeat? Or is he just a punching bag?
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# ? Apr 20, 2014 21:56 |
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Libluini posted:Still 50/50 who could win this. In a brutal civil war like this, the will and determination of the fighting parties is the most important thing on determining when the fighting will stop. Essentially, if either the rebels or the regime suffer a collapse following a huge, strategically important loss, then we could say who is winning with some certainty. Right now, it's still a stalemate. Everytime someone makes gains, it turns out the other side also makes gains somewhere else. As long as both sides think they can win, the war continues. It will probably be 50/50 forever. No one really wants this conflict to end because it means one of the parties involved wins, and no one really likes any of the parties involved that much. The solution to this is to hand out small quantities of whatever munition counters the advantage of the party who currently has the upper hand, but nothing that will give a decisive advantage and risk blowback onto the sponsors, and to let the conflict grind Syria down to a fine paste. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Apr 20, 2014 |
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Jagchosis posted:So is there basically any chance of the rebels winning this war at this point, or is it probably just going to be a long(er), brutal, pointless slog towards maintaining the political status quo? It'll probably resemble El Salvador with a truce after another 10 years. Of course, we all said that about Libya and that fell apart in a month for Gaddafi.
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Paul MaudDib posted:The solution to this is to hand out small quantities of whatever munition counters the advantage of the party who currently has the upper hand, but nothing that will give a decisive advantage and risk blowback onto the sponsors, and to let the conflict grind Syria down to a fine paste. I'm not even disagreeing that this is what some people who have the means to make this happen believe, but really, what then? All they're left with is a smoking, cratered wasteland with no standing infrastructure, but hordes of hungry, angry, radicalized people. It's not like there will be a last man standing. Is indefinite conflict really sustainable?
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 05:49 |
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The Protagonist posted:Is indefinite conflict really sustainable? Ask Somalia or Central Africa.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 06:26 |
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OwlBot 2000 posted:Ask Somalia or Central Africa. This is a depressing way to start my Monday, because it's spot on.
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Chokes McGee posted:This is a depressing way to start my Monday, because it's spot on. What's worse is people seeing it as "the solution". As long as the Them are contained and limited to killing each other, it's business as usual!
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Muffiner posted:What's worse is people seeing it as "the solution". As long as the Them are contained and limited to killing each other, it's business as usual! What gets me is the utter nihilism of it all. Everyone's killing everyone, both sides are funded by major players in the area, there's no solution in sight, hope is at an all-time low, and now the rest of the world just wants to segregate it away so they don't have to deal with the constant reminder they're powerless to do anything. I honestly don't think this'll be over until Syria's been reduced to a smoldering crater and the very few people left are just utterly goddamn tired of fighting over the ashes.
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Chokes McGee posted:What gets me is the utter nihilism of it all. Everyone's killing everyone, both sides are funded by major players in the area, there's no solution in sight, hope is at an all-time low, and now the rest of the world just wants to segregate it away so they don't have to deal with the constant reminder they're powerless to do anything. It's worse than 2006-7 Iraq because at least then you could see that, at some point, the Shia would be all dead or redistributed. For Syria the only endgame I can even conceive of is Assad eventually prevailing and running a state that will make Nazi Germany look legitimate and sustainable. Either that or anarchy and murder forever.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 19:18 |
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OwlBot 2000 posted:Ask Somalia or Central Africa. Or Colombia. They've been going civil war strong for nearly 50 years.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 19:27 |
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I probably shouldn't be appalled that Assad is campaigning for presidential elections on June 3, but I am. https://news.vice.com/articles/assad-wont-let-mounting-deaths-keep-syria-from-holding-sham-election?trk_source=homepage-in-the-news
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 19:30 |
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Another alleged chlorine barrel bomb attack, this time in Telmans, Idlib. Playlist of videos here.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 20:56 |
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SedanChair posted:It's worse than 2006-7 Iraq because at least then you could see that, at some point, the Shia would be all dead or redistributed. For Syria the only endgame I can even conceive of is Assad eventually prevailing and running a state that will make Nazi Germany look legitimate and sustainable. Either that or anarchy and murder forever.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 20:59 |
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JT Jag posted:Someone could always assassinate Assad. That would be a pretty devastating blow to the regime, from everything we know it's really personality-driven on that end and it'd be difficult for someone outside of the family to pick up the pieces. It probably wouldn't change anything in the long term, this guy would just take over: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_al-Assad
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cloudchamber posted:It probably wouldn't change anything in the long term, this guy would just take over: I don't think anybody will follow this guy enthusiastically. Syrian Politically Incorrect lost its edge years ago.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 22:07 |
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I think the point is that, while Assad gone might influence some groups to jump ship, the conflict will continue nearly unabated. The weapons, bombs and vehicles are still there if he leaves, and others will use them for their own ends.
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# ? Apr 21, 2014 23:33 |
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I'll be the ignorant guy and ask why haven't any of the rebel groups killed Assad or his brother yet. I assumes it because he is well protected. I think a suicide bomber blew his brothers leg off like a year ago, but i am not sure. Sorry for my ignorance.
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pengun101 posted:I'll be the ignorant guy and ask why haven't any of the rebel groups killed Assad or his brother yet. I assumes it because he is well protected. I think a suicide bomber blew his brothers leg off like a year ago, but i am not sure. Sorry for my ignorance. Too late for that now. If only the rebels didn't start an armed uprising and just sent a suicide bomber with a well placed plan to blow them up all.. On a more serious note, I heard things are flaring up in iraq again, like almost a rebellion in the western regions of iraq, but has anyone dug anything? is it really ISIS or just Asha'ir rebels being painted like that by the government?
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Fizzil posted:On a more serious note, I heard things are flaring up in iraq again, like almost a rebellion in the western regions of iraq, but has anyone dug anything? is it really ISIS or just Asha'ir rebels being painted like that by the government? cloudchamber posted:It probably wouldn't change anything in the long term, this guy would just take over:
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