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deafmute posted:Eric Lindros stubbed his toe so many times, why don't they mandate tiny helmets for toes already True story: NHL players' main concern about those plastic shells they can get that wrap around the skate is what it'll do to deflections. They'd rather risk a broken foot than risk a weird bounce going into the net.
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xzzy posted:True story: NHL players' main concern about those plastic shells they can get that wrap around the skate is what it'll do to deflections. They'd rather risk a broken foot than risk a weird bounce going into the net. The NHL - They care about player safety!
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Apr 28, 2014 18:46
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Neck guards are too restricting! Half shields make it impossible to see! Helmets are for pussies!
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Apr 28, 2014 18:58
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To be fair the NHL did look a lot cooler when guys didn't wear helmets
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Apr 28, 2014 19:00
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Levitate posted:To be fair the NHL did look a lot cooler when guys didn't wear helmets We could go back to that if you really want.. get rid of the hitting, all the hard surfaces, and swap the puck for a ping pong ball.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:01
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Rotten Cookies posted:The NHL - They care about player safety! I don't know how you get that sentiment out of what you quoted when it's entirely the players decision.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:02
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xzzy posted:We could go back to that if you really want.. get rid of the hitting, all the hard surfaces, and swap the puck for a ping pong ball. were there any (or many?) serious/fatal head injuries when hockey had no helmets? If not, why? Some unwritten code of how the game was meant to be played?
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Apr 28, 2014 19:03
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Misanthrope posted:I don't know how you get that sentiment out of what you quoted when it's entirely the players decision. What? Yeah. I don't get what you're saying? E: Oh. I didn't mean the NHL company. I meant as a whole, players included. v  v You know, how players regularly shirk safety equipment and NHL (company) "concerns" about concussions and poo poo. I guess it was kind of worded shittily on my part.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:05
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JawKnee posted:were there any (or many?) serious/fatal head injuries when hockey had no helmets? If not, why? Some unwritten code of how the game was meant to be played?
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Apr 28, 2014 19:14
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JawKnee posted:were there any (or many?) serious/fatal head injuries when hockey had no helmets? If not, why? Some unwritten code of how the game was meant to be played? Different rules, softer padding, smaller players, slower game, worse physical shape. You couldn't play todays game without a helmet and expect to survive.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:15
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Plus, people were ignorant that concussions were a serious thing. The last century was a culture of "as soon as the stars clear, you go play some more." Who knows how many concussions went undocumented because no one thought it was important.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:15
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:There were a ton of serious head injuries. The fatal one I can think of is Bill Masterton who got an award named after him. Howe fractured his skull and was in critical condition early in his career, Ted Green fractured his skull and suffered brain damage and Ace Bailey had his career ended by Eddie Shore. thanks for the info, I don't know a hell of a lot about old time hockey beyond a few documentaries, I'll have to do some reading.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:16
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Also for a sizable chunk of time there were far less slap shots.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:19
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JawKnee posted:were there any (or many?) serious/fatal head injuries when hockey had no helmets? If not, why? Some unwritten code of how the game was meant to be played?
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Apr 28, 2014 19:24
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JawKnee posted:were there any (or many?) serious/fatal head injuries when hockey had no helmets? If not, why? Some unwritten code of how the game was meant to be played? Over ~80 years and however many thousands of games of pre-helmet professional hockey there really weren't as many as you might think. The game was slower, players were smaller, shot blocking wasn't so integral to defense, shots were mostly aimed low, body checking (and collisions in general) were a lot less violent. Even watching games from back in the 70s you can see a substantial difference. Goalies sans-mask however, that went pretty much like you'd think.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:28
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burf posted:I keep seeing twitter stuff about the Blues possibly wanting Spezza, and while it seems to make sense for both teams I can't find any sources for it outside of hockey writer wishful thinking On the one hand, I'm terrified of the return Murray gets on Spezza, as there's no possible way the player(s) coming back can provide anything near what he could provide. Plus if he's gone, Hemsky's probably gonna gently caress off as well On the other hand, I would like to get rid of him before his back problems get even worse. What would the Blues even trade for a guy like Spezza? I'm assuming Murray wants a top-4 D
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Apr 28, 2014 19:30
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deafmute posted:Here's a list of players that died while active with cause of death. In the era with the no forward passing rule it seems likely that it made things generally safer and with ice/skate technology being what it was everyone moved much slower than modern players. Not having hard plastic shell elbow/shoulder pads or composite sticks factored in too. i wonder how many of those drowning deaths were actually concussion influenced suicides
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Apr 28, 2014 19:33
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:...The fatal one I can think of is Bill Masterton who got an award named after him... monthly reminder that the one player who couldn't possibly come back from his injury (death) has an award named after him that's typically given to a player who comes back from serious injury
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Apr 28, 2014 19:33
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The Dirty Burger posted:On the one hand, I'm terrified of the return Murray gets on Spezza, as there's no possible way the player(s) coming back can provide anything near what he could provide. Plus if he's gone, Hemsky's probably gonna gently caress off as well Zamboni Jesus posted:i wonder how many of those drowning deaths were actually concussion influenced suicides
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Apr 28, 2014 19:45
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whatis posted:monthly reminder that the one player who couldn't possibly come back from his injury (death) has an award named after him that's typically given to a player who comes back from serious injury Dom Moore should win it for coming back from his wife's death
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Apr 28, 2014 19:47
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"McCourt played his entire, brief career with Cornwall Hockey Club of the Federal Amateur Hockey League (FAHL)" Acronyms that would not work in 2014.
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Apr 28, 2014 19:49
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Levitate posted:Dom Moore should win it for coming back from his wife's death 
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Apr 28, 2014 20:09
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Good lord. 
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Apr 28, 2014 20:26
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deafmute posted:Ray Ferraro was talking about a potential trade package of Shattenkirk and Berglund for Eberle so I guess something around that. that would be a terrible trade for the blues
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Apr 28, 2014 20:28
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Zamboni Jesus posted:that would be a terrible trade for the blues 
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Apr 28, 2014 20:34
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deafmute posted:It could work out better than the Perron trade did for them in theory The Blues need to hire someone to monitor Doug Armstrong's phone calls and hang up for him whenever they notice he's discussing a trade with another GM. They'd win the cup within 2 years.
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Apr 28, 2014 20:36
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The worst impact mandatory helmets had on the NHL was the slow destruction of beautiful hockey hair (for the most part). What's the point if you can't have your locks dancing behind your head as you fly down the wing?
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Apr 28, 2014 20:57
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Mike_V posted:The worst impact mandatory helmets had on the NHL was the slow destruction of beautiful hockey hair (for the most part). What's the point if you can't have your locks dancing behind your head as you fly down the wing? Hockey players adapted, they just grow the hair out the sides or long in the back.
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Apr 28, 2014 20:58
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xzzy posted:Hockey players adapted, they just grow the hair out the sides or long in the back. I've loved seeing the 2003 Alfie muppet look being adopted by a new generation of stars like Claude Giroux and Jakub Voracek.
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Apr 28, 2014 21:06
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@Hope_Smoke: MacLean "I spoke to a player on that Capitals team & he told me Ovechkin comes to the weight room does curls and then walks out" @Hope_Smoke: Kypreos "Gretzky would surround Ovechkin with 3 or 4 high character guys who would embarrass Ovechkin into being better" good lord I hope Leonsis doesn't buy into this kind of garbage.
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Apr 28, 2014 21:35
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VJeff posted:@Hope_Smoke: MacLean "I spoke to a player on that Capitals team & he told me Ovechkin comes to the weight room does curls and then walks out" curls for the girls 
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Apr 28, 2014 21:37
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Yeah I bet an international superstar just does curls yet is still able to perform at a high level 100+ times a calendar year and lead the league in goal scoring. I read that as "a Caps player told me something stupid to see if I would actually report it"
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Apr 28, 2014 21:39
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canuckanese posted:Yeah I bet an international superstar just does curls yet is still able to perform at a high level 100+ times a calendar year and lead the league in goal scoring. Don't you get it he's only that good because of all THE RUSSIAN COMMUNIST STEROIDS 
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Apr 28, 2014 21:42
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Yes, because Ovechkin isn't strong enough for todays NHL (he's actually on record saying he avoids doing too much weight training and focuses more on leg and carido work because he doesn't want to get any bulkier).
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Apr 28, 2014 21:42
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Quick, someone delete Ovechkin's youtube subscription to BroScienceLife.
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Apr 28, 2014 21:42
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Doug MacLean is best known as the GM who made you really appreciate Scott Howson, and yet he was still a better GM than he is an analyst. Ovechkin has loving gigantic tree trunk legs so he must be doing some fancy curls. I've also never heard of anyone seriously question Ovechkin's conditioning, partly because it's the dumbest criticism of any sports person I may have ever heard in my life.
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Apr 28, 2014 21:44
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Apparently Jay Beagle is a really hard worker in the gym. He also sucks at hockey. So kudos to Ovechkin for figuring out that working out too much will make him like Jay Beagle and saying "no thanks".
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Apr 28, 2014 21:47
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yeah alex ovechkin should act more like notorious gym rats david clarkson and david booth. david ovechkin. that's the key
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Apr 28, 2014 21:48
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Gunjin posted:Yes, because Ovechkin isn't strong enough for todays NHL (he's actually on record saying he avoids doing too much weight training and focuses more on leg and carido work because he doesn't want to get any bulkier). Hockey conditioning is super interesting if you dig into it. There's certainly a lot of mumbo jumbo out there if you don't look out for it but if you dig up things written by trainers who work for actual NHL teams it's completely unintuitive.
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VJeff posted:@Hope_Smoke: MacLean "I spoke to a player on that Capitals team & he told me Ovechkin comes to the weight room does curls and then walks out" wayne gretzky was well-known for his conditioning and physical strength also his excellent results as a coach and gm
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