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trip9 posted:Does Nymphomaniac count? I haven't seen it yet because the idea of buying two tickets to see it is absurd to me. I was reminded very much of Enemy watching this.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:What's another example?
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# ? Apr 28, 2014 16:54 |
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I think Nymphomaniac is a tad more obvious also Only Lovers Left Behind. I don't think displaying sex as grotesque or weird is anything new but there does seem to be a resurgence.
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Vhak lord of hate posted:I think Nymphomaniac is a tad more obvious also Only Lovers Left Behind. I don't think displaying sex as grotesque or weird is anything new but there does seem to be a resurgence. Only Lovers Left Alive didn't seem grotesque or weird to me at all. Their relationship seemed pretty romantic actually. drat I enjoyed that movie. Enemy totally fits into this category though.
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# ? Apr 28, 2014 18:32 |
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No Wave posted:I don't get what's with all these incredibly unsexy movies that are ostensibly about sex. It's depressing. I'm glad. Sex is disgusting.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 07:03 |
How was Shame not the first movie to come up in this discussion after UtS?
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 12:02 |
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The book was fantastic, I haven't heard anything but bad reviews for the movie however. I mean I think this thread has the only positive reports of it. I have a terrible feeling they really messed around with the plot
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King Geedorah posted:The book was fantastic, I haven't heard anything but bad reviews for the movie however. I mean I think this thread has the only positive reports of it.
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King Geedorah posted:The book was fantastic, I haven't heard anything but bad reviews for the movie however. I mean I think this thread has the only positive reports of it. What reviews are you looking at?
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Ersatz posted:86% of the critical reviews aggregated by Rotten Tomatoes for this movie are positive. Huh well there you have it. The ones I read in the paper were all pretty bad, must have been missing something
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 14:21 |
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Print is dead, my friend.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 14:28 |
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King Geedorah posted:The book was fantastic, I haven't heard anything but bad reviews for the movie however. I mean I think this thread has the only positive reports of it. They did, it's not much like the book. The book is a lot clearer about what is going on and also why. Everything in the film you sort of have to guess. I mean it's not difficult, but motivations and things are laid out when you read the book.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 15:00 |
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Taear posted:They did, it's not much like the book. The book is a lot clearer about what is going on and also why. Everything in the film you sort of have to guess. I mean it's not difficult, but motivations and things are laid out when you read the book. Gotcha, I really loved the book and would hate to see it changed. Even then I guess I never expected them to make a film out of it so I can't really complain all that much. I'll give it a shot, but not gonna go in expecting anything as good as the book.
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King Geedorah posted:Gotcha, I really loved the book and would hate to see it changed. Even then I guess I never expected them to make a film out of it so I can't really complain all that much. I'll give it a shot, but not gonna go in expecting anything as good as the book. Glazer said in the Q&A after our screening that the book was simply the genesis of his inspiration for the movie. I wouldn't go into it considering it an adaptation.
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# ? Apr 29, 2014 20:24 |
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Also movies are, in their own inimitable way, not books.
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# ? Apr 30, 2014 19:31 |
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I'm a big fan of the book, but I enjoyed the movie a lot too. As much as I like the book, I don't think a movie of it would work primarily because of depicting Isserley and the other aliens as goat-like creatures - it works on the page but would be laughed at onscreen.
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Tomtrek posted:The thing that impressed me the most about it is how totally not gratuitous it all was. In what could have been a very leery film that objectified it's lead actress (y'know, like Species), we get a film that very much shows you objectification, but never encourages you to participate in it and instead lets you see its damaging results. The main character is objectified by almost every other person she meets, she was created literally as an object for men to look at, and as we start to connect with her as the film goes on we see how her growth into something more human is repeatedly stopped by being treated as an object. The movie also subverts the male gaze. Women in most movies are seen through the eyes of men -- predatory men at that. This movie flips it on its head. Johannson is looking at men through a predator's eyes. In its own dark, weird way, that humanizes Johannson and alienates the ordinary Glaswegian men, who are not even acting! (The screwed up alien society in this movie is our own.) Absolutely brilliant.
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# ? May 5, 2014 07:27 |
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Just watched the film this weekend. Best moments are how the film abstractly handles what happens to the men, and her struggle with how to be a human, she felt a bit autistic towards the end of the movie when she stops faking her seduction routine. I wonder what the deal with releasing the naked elephantitis guy was, only to have him be captured and killed by the motorcycle man. Also the result of the neighbor watching was largely unexplored, the police show up on the scene but the motorcycle guy is long gone. I also though that there was a funny species bias in the movie: human beings are so irresistible that you can't help but want to be human, which is a little conceited. Beautiful and evocative cinematography. Soundtrack is a little aggressively art house but still neat.
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messagemode1 posted:I wonder what the deal with releasing the naked elephantitis guy was, only to have him be captured and killed by the motorcycle man. Also the result of the neighbor watching was largely unexplored, the police show up on the scene but the motorcycle guy is long gone. The motorcycle men are ruthlessly practical. But they're also a metaphor for the powerful and anonymous forces that oppress us and seek to use us -- and objectify us -- for their own ends. Objectification isn't just sexual, it's using other people as tools without regard to their dignity and feelings. Anyone in this movie who has any bit of empathy dies.
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# ? May 5, 2014 23:14 |
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No Wave posted:Spring Breakers is the obvious one. Don't you think it was entirely appropriate for that movie, though?
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Hijinks Ensue posted:I'm a big fan of the book, but I enjoyed the movie a lot too. As much as I like the book, I don't think a movie of it would work primarily because of depicting Isserley and the other aliens as goat-like creatures - it works on the page but would be laughed at onscreen. Wait goats?! I assumed they looked more like a dog or something along those lines. King Geedorah fucked around with this message at 12:27 on May 6, 2014 |
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King Geedorah posted:Wait goats?! I assumed they looked more like a dog or something along those lines. The way Isserley described Amlis Vess made him seem very goat-like, and she describes sheep as looking like her species' children, and even tries to talk to the sheep in her language.
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# ? May 8, 2014 16:34 |
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It's not a wide release, but this movie is now showing in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver for somebody who was wondering way earlier in the thread.
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# ? May 9, 2014 00:44 |
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Don't read any of this if you haven't seen the film okay thanks.messagemode1 posted:
This bit confused me, because I thought it was just another Alien wearing the skin - since that's the assumption the film sort of brings you towards. It didn't occur to me it would be the actual guy. He gets into the boot of the car so easily, so it seemed like Motorcycle Man was just getting him ready for whatever they'd use his skin for.
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# ? May 9, 2014 02:29 |
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She released him because she took pity on him and started identifying with the humans. Hence her wanting to try and live life as a human (trying the food, having sex). I assume that the motorcycle man is another alien who finds out she released the deformed man, and doesn't want this man escaping with the knowledge of what's going on. He kidnaps him in order to tie up the loose end, should the deformed man tell anybody. As well, they apparently need the bodies, for whatever it is they are doing.
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# ? May 9, 2014 03:29 |
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Speaking of the motorcycle man, what do people make of all the shots of him after Johansson's character goes rogue? At the time I assumed they were building to a climax where he found her and tried to kill or capture her, but since that didn't happen I'm not sure what to make of them.
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Eggnogium posted:Speaking of the motorcycle man, what do people make of all the shots of him after Johansson's character goes rogue? At the time I assumed they were building to a climax where he found her and tried to kill or capture her, but since that didn't happen I'm not sure what to make of them. I got the impression that you're right, but the cruelty of man gets to Scarlett first - we're meant to think there'll be a showdown, but Ranger Rapist gets to her first and immolates her. We get that one shot afterwards with the motorcycle man standing atop a hill or cliff, looking impotently for her; I got the impression that he lost her trail or whatever, or that he simply failed in his search.
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# ? May 9, 2014 07:04 |
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Went to see this tonight and was pretty stunned by it. I had browsed this thread and seen the trailer a few times, but I don't think I was really prepared for how utterly bizarre it was. But that's actually a good thing for me, because I loving love films like this. The last time I was so struck by a film was Upstream Color. Really phenomenal camerawork; the One-Cam is a pretty amazing device, apparently. I never would have guessed the camera was hidden in many scenes unless I knew about it ahead of time. Also, the score really helped build tension and that sense of unease and dread. Johansson also completely owned the role in a way that I didn't really expect. She was downright creepy. Great film.
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# ? May 9, 2014 09:58 |
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This was a very mesmerizing film, but a difficult, demanding watch. Others have discussed the plot, so I'll just praise the sound and score. This film used silence and music and sounds so effectively, I've never heard anything like it. I was completely immersed from the opening scene because it's just the cascading wall of audio. The "Seduction" theme will be in my head forever. Seriously, this is a masterclass in film audio and I hope it wins a billion awards forit.
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# ? May 11, 2014 04:34 |
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Speaking of the score, it was done by an artist named Mica Levi who fronts a band called Micachu and the Shapes. They make really great pop music (the kind that get featured in Crayola commercials): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TRkZpFgJcI There are only a handful of films I've managed to catch in theaters these last few years that have really floored me, like I was watching a burgeoning classic (or just a personal favorite), and Under the Skin was one of them. It would be impressive enough for conveying a fairly abstract (and otherworldly) plot through such clean/pristine images, but Glazer makes it so much more than just a genre exercise or visual experiment. Every image resonates with layers, some of which have already been brought up in this thread. So many elements to talk about, not sure where to start.
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# ? May 13, 2014 04:47 |
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I wish I loved anything even half as much as the director loves Scarlett Jo's feet. While I didn't like the movie while watching it, the Memento-like twist at the end really justified the Brechtian ordeal, so the pay-off was great.
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Shbobdb posted:I wish I loved anything even half as much as the director loves Scarlett Jo's feet. What precisely was the Memento-like twist?
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# ? May 19, 2014 07:04 |
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That she's an alien, I'm guessing.
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# ? May 19, 2014 14:24 |
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View the film backwards. She is a normal girl, just a stupid American tourist who was raped on a ramble. This caused some major disassociative problems and she felt like she was an alien in her own skin. She tries to re-establish a romantic connection with her boyfriend but find that sex is now much too impersonal. She just can't do it. So she reverts to hypersexuality as a way to deal with rape (common enough) but this escalates to murder because she is driven by her own need to reclaim some kind of power. Her doting boyfriend does his best to help her but even he eventually has limits and she is left an entirely broken human being. A complete alien clothed in human skin.
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# ? May 19, 2014 16:09 |
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Shbobdb posted:View the film backwards. She is a normal girl, just a stupid American tourist who was raped on a ramble. This caused some major disassociative problems and she felt like she was an alien in her own skin. She tries to re-establish a romantic connection with her boyfriend but find that sex is now much too impersonal. She just can't do it. So she reverts to hypersexuality as a way to deal with rape (common enough) but this escalates to murder because she is driven by her own need to reclaim some kind of power. Her doting boyfriend does his best to help her but even he eventually has limits and she is left an entirely broken human being. A complete alien clothed in human skin. Um...well that is certainly a unique interpretation.
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# ? May 19, 2014 21:33 |
Holy poo poo that owns.
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Shbobdb posted:View the film backwards. She is a normal girl, just a stupid American tourist who was raped on a ramble. This caused some major disassociative problems and she felt like she was an alien in her own skin. She tries to re-establish a romantic connection with her boyfriend but find that sex is now much too impersonal. She just can't do it. So she reverts to hypersexuality as a way to deal with rape (common enough) but this escalates to murder because she is driven by her own need to reclaim some kind of power. Her doting boyfriend does his best to help her but even he eventually has limits and she is left an entirely broken human being. A complete alien clothed in human skin. Wow, I love this. I'm going to watch the film again with this in mind.
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# ? May 19, 2014 22:52 |
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Yeah, that's kind of great.
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# ? May 19, 2014 22:59 |
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You're leaving out the crucial interaction in the film though: Picking up The Elephant Man.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:You're leaving out the crucial interaction in the film though: Picking up The Elephant Man. And being lit on fire.
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