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teen phone cutie
Jun 18, 2012

last year i rewrote something awful from scratch because i hate myself

echronorian posted:

Oh cool 5 dollar games! *five minutes later* welp there goes 35 bucks.

Sony has gotten really good at getting my money. Psn is behaving the way I would want an actual steambox to.

They're some crafty assholes making $5 the minimum amount of money uploaded to the virtual wallet.

I only wanted 2 of those .99 cent games in the fire sale.

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Facepalm Ranger
Jan 17, 2012

SOME PEOPLE FIND HOME APPLIANCES SEXUALLY AROUSING! ZORDS ARE NOT APPLIANCES, DAMMIT!
After playing Demon's Souls, I can say I feel it's a lot less forgiving than Dark Souls.

I got to the bridge where the dragon chases you, finally killed it only to be taken out by an archer like a bitch. No problem I thought, just go back reclaim my 5,000+ souls then boom taken out like a bitch again before I could retrieve them, after which I went back to playing Dark Souls.

It really feels like the prototype for Dark Souls as it all feels similar but slightly wrong.

What do peeps here prefer? Demon's or Dark?

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Facepalm Ranger posted:

After playing Demon's Souls, I can say I feel it's a lot less forgiving than Dark Souls.

I got to the bridge where the dragon chases you, finally killed it only to be taken out by an archer like a bitch. No problem I thought, just go back reclaim my 5,000+ souls then boom taken out like a bitch again before I could retrieve them, after which I went back to playing Dark Souls.

It really feels like the prototype for Dark Souls as it all feels similar but slightly wrong.

What do peeps here prefer? Demon's or Dark?

I preferred Dark, but mainly because I didn't like the Hub world, I hated being at half health while dead unless you use the cling ring, and I think some of the areas in Dark Souls are awesome looking.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

Facepalm Ranger posted:

After playing Demon's Souls, I can say I feel it's a lot less forgiving than Dark Souls.

I got to the bridge where the dragon chases you, finally killed it only to be taken out by an archer like a bitch. No problem I thought, just go back reclaim my 5,000+ souls then boom taken out like a bitch again before I could retrieve them, after which I went back to playing Dark Souls.

It really feels like the prototype for Dark Souls as it all feels similar but slightly wrong.

What do peeps here prefer? Demon's or Dark?

For some reason the start of Demon's feels much tougher than the rest. The beginning area was a lot harsher. I think once you beat 1-1 though you can go to the other worlds as well... 2-1 might be more forgiving. Any Souls game has an adjustment period though. I beat Demons and DS1 but started DS2 and still died a bunch while I was getting used to it.

Demon's definitely was harsher in general though - the only "bonfire" type checkpoints you get were for killing a boss. You could unlock shortcuts, so that next time you ran through you don't have to wade through AS MUCH bs, but some levels didn't have one at all.

You had a carry limit which scaled with your strength - so if you were going for a quick sword build that doesn't level STR much, you would straight up find things in the game world you couldn't pick up at times. You'd have to unload any weapons and materials you found every time you went back to the hub (even stuff like the equivalent of Titanite took up space). Imagine finding a Titanite Chunk and needing to drop a weapon to carry it. On the other hand the balance was much worse, rolling was absolutely overpowered so you could roll around like a ninja and never get hit. A couple of weapons were stupidly strong.

If you hit an NPC by mistake, there was nothing you could do. Remember the carry limit I talked about? Yeah, if you piss off that guy you can't access your inventory for the rest of the game, and can't pick things up without dropping things first (which then disappear if you leave the area).

AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON TENDENCIES MY GOD.

In general Demon Souls was harsher if you go in blind, yes. Much easier to cheese though. There were bosses you could kill without aggroing, by shooting into the boss room from outside, or by getting them stuck on a rock while you plinked away at them. A lot of people basically did this on every boss.

I think now that DS2 is out it's a frequent point of discussion but all 3 games have their strengths and their weaknesses. I think they're all really good but I can't give a definite answer as to which one is the best.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
Get the Dragonboner, win the game.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
Spec Ops for 5$ is basically the bargain of the century. Loved that game so much.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Edit: PS3 Thread is not PS4 thread

Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 18:28 on May 4, 2014

TaurusOxford
Feb 10, 2009

Dad of the Year 2021
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Wrong thread dude. You want the PS4 thread for that conversation.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Also Spec Ops is a bad game that doesn't know what it's trying to say so there's that.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Demon's Souls is a better put together game with better atmosphere. I really liked what Dark Souls tried to do though, even if it did fall apart after Anor Londo. The quality of life improvements were all welcome to have as well, since I played the entirety of Demon's Souls in soul form because pvp is terrible in those games. Plus those weird esoteric systems in place, world/character tendencies I don't miss. Demon's Souls also has the only final boss worth a drat, even though you can still cheese the hell out of it. Honestly of the three I found Dark Souls to be the least fun, it didn't grab me right away the way the other two did.

They're all fantastic though.

Scyron
Aug 27, 2005

I am sure a hacker knows all about rewarding and accomplished behavior. I mean, raping a chick with some mickeys is the same is getting laid right? Same result amirite guys? Nothing like work and not having to do it and get that sweet sweet payoff. :smug:
I love demon souls because I love to cheat.

I still need to completely start over in DaS1 due to losing my save. Maybe next week.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?
Spec Ops was a game I played through once and never felt like playing again. The shooting was mediocre and the story was pretty hamfisted. But that is a discussion that has been had plenty of times before.

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!
I love Spec Ops but it's basically just a retelling of Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Facepalm Ranger posted:

After playing Demon's Souls, I can say I feel it's a lot less forgiving than Dark Souls.

I got to the bridge where the dragon chases you, finally killed it only to be taken out by an archer like a bitch. No problem I thought, just go back reclaim my 5,000+ souls then boom taken out like a bitch again before I could retrieve them, after which I went back to playing Dark Souls.

It really feels like the prototype for Dark Souls as it all feels similar but slightly wrong.

What do peeps here prefer? Demon's or Dark?

Wait you actually killed the dragon? Man I hope you didn't just sit on a tower all day plinking him with like one or two arrows each time he made a pass :xd:

I'm pretty sure you don't need to kill the dragon for any reason except for his souls - his runs give you enough time to run across each bridge section in between, and the sleeping dragon who guards the loot I'm pretty sure you can get all of that if you're ballsy enough, too.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Blind Sally posted:

I love Spec Ops but it's basically just a retelling of Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now.
Yet, it's still something that's necessary in the world of games, I think.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Pornographic Memory posted:

Wait you actually killed the dragon? Man I hope you didn't just sit on a tower all day plinking him with like one or two arrows each time he made a pass :xd:

I'm pretty sure you don't need to kill the dragon for any reason except for his souls - his runs give you enough time to run across each bridge section in between, and the sleeping dragon who guards the loot I'm pretty sure you can get all of that if you're ballsy enough, too.

That and Poison Cloud are the only ways to kill the red dragon. You could use Soul Arrow or something like that but you can't aim that like you can a bow. And no, neither of the dragons give you anything important for killing them. Their souls are just pure experience, no boss weapons/spells are made with them.

If you have a pure white world tendency those dragons in 1-1 don't show up. Also, the red dragon that breathes fire there is the same one as the 1-2 dragon and the blue dragon is the same as the one in 1-4.

BlindNinja
Sep 2, 2004

lurking in the shadows

Pornographic Memory posted:

Wait you actually killed the dragon? Man I hope you didn't just sit on a tower all day plinking him with like one or two arrows each time he made a pass :xd:

I'm pretty sure you don't need to kill the dragon for any reason except for his souls - his runs give you enough time to run across each bridge section in between, and the sleeping dragon who guards the loot I'm pretty sure you can get all of that if you're ballsy enough, too.

I killed it twice (because I hate myself more than the game does, I guess), once with my bow dude, second with Royal and Soul Arrow. The second is much better as you can cast it, THEN auto-aim when it flies by, instead of having to aim your arrows :unsmith:.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
I should probably put it out there that I did, once, kill the red dragon with bow and arrow, and it was miserable. I also spent literal hours farming those stupid worms in 2-2 for a Pure Greystone because I killed Scirvir or some poo poo :smith:

It's been years since I played Demon's Souls but it made getting a PS3 worth it all by itself. Probably one of the only games I've ever beaten multiple times. I couldn't get into Dark Souls for some reason, I think I got to some Maneater things that relentlessly kicked my rear end until I used up all of the magic enchantment items I assumed were key to beating them and never picked the game up again.

J
Jun 10, 2001

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON TENDENCIES MY GOD.

The thing that threw everyone off about tendencies is that when you log into the game server at first, it sets your world tendencies to the average value across the entire playerbase. I have no idea what that is now but when I last played it was white, somewhere between the +1 and +2 range. If you're trying to manipulate world tendency, you either have to do it all in one session or go offline before you start messing with it and don't go online until you're done and ready to have it reset back to the playerbase's average. With that in mind, 0 is neutral, +3 is pure white, -4 is pure black, killing a boss gives you +1 to your world tendency, dying in human form gives -1. Dying while not human doesn't change it. This running tendency total is separate for each world. When you kill a boss, you become human, so you need to go suicide in the nexus or else when you die you're going to lower the tendency in that world.

I think that's about as succinct as I can explain it.

Ape Agitator
Feb 19, 2004

Soylent Green is Monkeys
College Slice
Playing through the Jak and Daxter trilogy and I can't believe how big of a drop in quality it is from Jak 1 to Jak 2. The first is a top tier mascot collectathon. Nice big environments, semi-seamless transitions, some gameplay variety, rewards for exploration, and a general good vibe about the entire experience. The story is not all that great and they have a mute furry protagonist, but as a first game it's really, really great.

The sequel is just so drat bad. A pointless "open" hub world, gameplay which is incredibly narrow in focus compared to the freeform levels in the first, and awful placements of checkpoints. I mean, it's "hard" because sometimes the controls and the pacing are your enemy. If Jak 2 was their first game, I wouldn't have cared if the series died due to bed bug infestation.

Equilibrium
Mar 19, 2003

by exmarx
:hfive: You are me eight months ago. It's kind of amazing to look back and see how well-received the Jak sequels were. I feel like Warrior Within is the game everyone thinks of when they think of a bad sequel that falls flat on its face trying to be edgy but good lord Jak 2 should be that game. At least WW retained the basic gameplay principles of Sands of Time, Jak 2 just threw everything out the window so they could add in guns and a goatee and lovely vehicle physics.

titties
May 10, 2012

They're like two suicide notes stuffed into a glitter bra

kalonZombie posted:

You can create custom folders in the PS3 itself, at least, but there's still no way to organize individual games inside the folders themselves. It doesn't make sense because there's like 4 or 5 buttons that don't do anything in the folder menus, why not make one a "move game here" button?

You can select which games go into which folders by highlighting the game and bringing up the menu with triangle. Select "Information", go to "Folder", and enter the name of the folder. You can sort the games in each folder by hovering over the folder itself, pressing triangle, and selecting how you want it sorted.

I think your options are limited to something dumb like date installed or last used or whatever, but you can't manually select the order. Still, at least you can make and populate the folders.

Shindragon
Jun 6, 2011

by Athanatos
I feel Jack 2 was basically when everyone was trying to be GTA clone.

I just didn't see why they had to make Jak angry. It was just dumb.

At least the third one had vehicles to mess around with.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
Jak 2 can eat poo poo and die. The difficulty is off the wall because some rear end in a top hat at NDI was like "Well I designed this level and can beat it easily, clearly everyone else can too :smug:". Well hey, gently caress you!

Ironically it does have dynamic difficulty scaling, but only if you fail a mission something like thirty times. I think I rage quit for good on the HD Collection when you get Dark Bomb.

Jak 3 was pretty good, though.

kalonZombie
May 24, 2010

D&D 3.5 Book of Erotic Fantasy
It's me. I'm the weirdo who enjoys Jak 2 more than Jak and Daxter.

Shun me. Shun me and my lovely taste in video games.

Awesome!
Oct 17, 2008

Ready for adventure!


So uhh how am I supposed to not be brutally slain instantly by the boss at the end of uncharted? It's me with no weapon, him with an insta kill shotgun and one set of boxes between us that gets taken out in 2 hits. trying to dodge in any direction results in instant death.

e: wait, i did just make a dive to the next set of boxes and now I'm respawning there...

e2: ok I beat him. that was a lovely final boss segment. on the other hand, woo finally beat uncharted 1.

Awesome! fucked around with this message at 03:44 on May 5, 2014

kalonZombie
May 24, 2010

D&D 3.5 Book of Erotic Fantasy
Yeah, the final boss of Uncharted 1 really blows chunks. Especially since I really, REALLY wanted to shoot that english fucker in the face, and instead we get his lackey who had all of 3 lines before the final set of cutscenes.

Equilibrium
Mar 19, 2003

by exmarx

kalonZombie posted:

It's me. I'm the weirdo who enjoys Jak 2 more than Jak and Daxter.

Shun me. Shun me and my lovely taste in video games.

We all have our sins. I thought the video game "Wet" was alright and liked AC1 better than 2.

Austrian mook
Feb 24, 2013

by Shine

kalonZombie posted:

Yeah, the final boss of Uncharted 1 really blows chunks. Especially since I really, REALLY wanted to shoot that english fucker in the face, and instead we get his lackey who had all of 3 lines before the final set of cutscenes.

Thankfully, the boss of Uncharted 2 is actually pretty good imo.


E: As far as lovely game taste goes, I like Golden Sun. :kiddo:

the truth
Dec 16, 2007

Austrian mook posted:

E: As far as lovely game taste goes, I like Golden Sun. :kiddo:

The first two games were amazing at the time. Great soundtracks, too.

Austrian mook
Feb 24, 2013

by Shine

the truth posted:

The first two games were amazing at the time. Great soundtracks, too.

Yeah, I played them as a kid and the visuals and soundtrack really helped carry a lovely plot and really easy combat. Also the puzzles were really, really fun.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:
Yeah nothing wrong with liking those, their only real flaw is the length/challenge. The original especially ends just when the dungeons/world starts to get complex enough to be fun and require more of your abilities to navigate.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Golden Sun was a bad game. :colbert: It's like Legend of Dragoon, people just haven't played it in over a decade and do not realize this simple fact of life. I, for one, commend Austrian mook for realizing this universal truth.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?
I liked Quest 64 and Castlevania 64. We all have our terrible games that we just click with.

the truth
Dec 16, 2007

Nintendo Power previews convinced me those games were going to be awesome. I'm glad I only rented them.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

Equilibrium posted:

We all have our sins. I thought the video game "Wet" was alright and liked AC1 better than 2.
I remember downloading the demo for Wet when I got my PS3. I thought the asthetic was kinda neat but the mechanics were clunky as gently caress. I don't think AC1 is better than 2, but I seem to hate it a lot less than other people do.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:
Wet's demo is awful though because you can't do anything cool in it. It's actually similar to Golden Sun in that the game is really short, and just when you've upgraded and got a bunch of cool moves and the game is getting good it ends.

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

kalonZombie posted:

Yeah, the final boss of Uncharted 1 really blows chunks. Especially since I really, REALLY wanted to shoot that english fucker in the face, and instead we get his lackey who had all of 3 lines before the final set of cutscenes.

I always thought Jak & Daxter was a soulless Mario clone and Jak II was an extremely clever and ambitious, if somewhat flawed, entry into the series that experimented with some great hybrid gameplay. Of course, Jak 3 was an improvement on that, but eh. Opinions are like assholes.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?
The PC versions of the games are the best versions of the game if only because you can skip the loading screens.

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precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Blind Sally posted:

I love Spec Ops but it's basically just a retelling of Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now.

There are obvious similarities but it's way more than "just" that, and reducing it to that description misses the biggest points of the story by focusing on one (admittedly blatant) similarity.

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