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eXXon posted:Dallas Eakins led the Marlies to the Calder Cup finals, where they got creamed. I mean in all fairness that Admirals team was absurdly good and set a pro hockey record for consecutive wins that year and lost like two games in the playoffs. Then they lost the next year.  Was Eakins coaching the Marlies when the Griffins beat them?
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i remember reading an article recently in which the author made an argument correlating a team's minor league success to the future success of the nhl franchise and argued that a good ahl season generally correlates to nhl success three years down the road. the leafs seem to be an exception to this argument as the marlies have been pretty good for a lot of the last ten years and the leafs not so much.
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VJeff posted:Was Eakins coaching the Marlies when the Griffins beat them? He was. I'm not sure how Eakins got credited with being great with young players though. The Marlies have usually been stocked with good veterans/AHL superstars. I wouldn't say Eakins overplayed veterans over prospects because the Leafs haven't been stocking the Marlies with good prospects in the first place, but it's not like Eakins turned a bunch of 6th round projects into quality NHL players either. That last playoff run, the top scorers in the 9 games were Jerry D'Amigo (future 3rd/4th liner), Greg Scott (hosed off to Sweden), Mike Zigomanis (former AHL superstar), Will Acton (  ), Greg McKegg (could be a top 9 forward if his skating improves), Carter Ashton (been mostly useless in the NHL, but maybe he'll finally do something next season), and Spencer Abbott (tiny college UFA and future AHL superstar, well except he's already 26). That's a far cry from the Tatar/Nyquist/Jurco/Sheahan/Jarnkrok or Palat/Connolly/Panik/Kucherov/Namestnikov forward cores that have actually been winning Calder Cups and turning into quality NHLers.Zamboni Jesus posted:i remember reading an article recently in which the author made an argument correlating a team's minor league success to the future success of the nhl franchise and argued that a good ahl season generally correlates to nhl success three years down the road. the leafs seem to be an exception to this argument as the marlies have been pretty good for a lot of the last ten years and the leafs not so much. The Marlies would probably be mediocre if they didn't fill out their roster with marginal NHLers to stay competitive. Having said that, they've done reasonably well with season without any 26+ year olds carrying the load, barring 24 games of Trevor Smith. I don't think any of the youngsters (McKegg/Leivo/Carrick/D'Amigo/Percy/Granberg) have much in the way of top 6/top 4 potential though.
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For the last like twenty years, the Griffins were a joke and the Wings were great then for the last, like, two years, the Griffins have been amazing and the Wings have been kind of uh, moldy. But the Wings made the playoffs with a bunch of Griffins in their lineup, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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The Hershey Bears were in the finals four times in five years and won three Calder Cups from 2005-06 to 2009-10. From 2008-09 to 2012-13 the Capitals won three playoff series.
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Well I think the (probably slightly more accurate) argument would be that if your AHL team is full of actual prospects not AHL superstars that your (NHL) team should be at least somewhat competitive in the future.
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May 5, 2014 20:44
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VJeff posted:For the last like twenty years, the Griffins were a joke and the Wings were great then for the last, like, two years, the Griffins have been amazing and the Wings have been kind of uh, moldy. But the Wings made the playoffs with a bunch of Griffins in their lineup, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. despite their reputation for good drafting, the wings were never really a building from the inside kind of team, especially pre-cap when they were one of the highest spending teams in the league. also the current griffins/wings would fit with the three year lag argument. canuckanese posted:The Hershey Bears were in the finals four times in five years and won three Calder Cups from 2005-06 to 2009-10. yeah but the capitals won a lot of regular season games during that same period!
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Larry Brooks posted:PITTSBURGH — In the District of Columbia, the presidency awaits Wayne Gretzky … if Capitals owner Ted Leonsis recognizes the need to restructure the front office of his drifting franchise, that is. Did I miss someone posting this, because lol
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Zamboni Jesus posted:despite their reputation for good drafting, the wings were never really a building from the inside kind of team, especially pre-cap when they were one of the highest spending teams in the league. also the current griffins/wings would fit with the three year lag argument. Ehhhh a lot of their depth and supporting cast came from  yeah but I'm pretty sure all of their superstars with the exception of Shanny came from the inside. And I guess that makes sense. In three years, Datsyuk will probably have rode off into the sunset and the core will be Old Zetterberg, Old Kronwall and Nyquist/Tatar/Mantha/Jurco/Sheahan/Frk/DeKeyser/Ouellet/Sproul.Also I maintain that the Caps had a legit shot to win every year from 2009 to 2012. 
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Ginette Reno posted:Did I miss someone posting this, because lol I share the at Gretzky. I'm also amused by how popular this President position is getting. It seems to be another pointless layer of administration on top of the general manager, and sometimes just a place for bad GMs to get promoted to instead of being fired. Why? Who knows. It satisfies the NHL's old boys club, I guess.
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May 5, 2014 20:58
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gently caress the Gretzky rumors, gently caress them all. He was a loving amazing player, and as good as he was as a player he's just as bad as an executive or coach. He needs to stay the gently caress away from the Capitals, hiring him would be on par with brining Oates back.
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May 5, 2014 21:09
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Zamboni Jesus posted:despite their reputation for good drafting, the wings were never really a building from the inside kind of team, especially pre-cap when they were one of the highest spending teams in the league. also the current griffins/wings would fit with the three year lag argument. The Caps of that same period did have a lot of structure from Hershey, including Bruce Boudreau. Tampa, so far, has not won a playoff series with a core that has a lot of players who were coached under Jon Cooper at the AHL level. Granted, this was the first year that iteration made the playoffs and were without the service of Ben Bishop. Team success is nice, but it is not everything with regard to the development of players. Some are just too good for the AHL, some need it. VJeff posted:I mean in all fairness that Admirals team was absurdly good and set a pro hockey record for consecutive wins that year and lost like two games in the playoffs. Then they lost the next year. The Norfolk Admirals did not make the playoffs in the 2012-13 season. I know what you mean and anyway. The Crunch are playing a game next year at Syracuse University's Carrier Dome and I hope the Utica Comets defeat them by at least 2 goals.
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May 5, 2014 21:16
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VJeff posted:I mean in all fairness that Admirals team was absurdly good and set a pro hockey record for consecutive wins that year and lost like two games in the playoffs. I've said this before but I seriously think that team could have beaten several NHL teams that year in a 7 game series. They were insane. edit - Eakins is terrible and the Oilers are going to be really upset when Todd Nelson becomes a viable NHL coach
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May 5, 2014 21:20
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As long as he doesn't coach, whatever. Maybe he'd make a good GM/president of hockey things?
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bewbies posted:I've said this before but I seriously think that team could have beaten several NHL teams that year in a 7 game series. They were insane.  See also: Derek Laxdal
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May 5, 2014 21:27
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I want Wayne Gretzky to be involved with the Caps because I want him to move here, increasing my chances of bumping into him on the street in my daily life. His skill as a hockey exec is irrelevant.
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i know why you hate the crunch, and i dont blame you, but i actually think they are going to have a decent team next year. the biggest issue on a terrible team this year was the defense, and well: - former first round pick Slater Koekkoek will most likely start the year there, and maybe play a month or two before he blows out a shoulder as is tradition. - Dylan Blujus and Jake Dotchin, who both had turnaround OHL overage seasons this year, will be playing in Syracuse. Maybe even slightly above average, which is a huge improvement. - Cedric Paquette will most likely be back, and have another season of, well, seasoning in him. also he will have the experience to NOT TRIP SOMEONE RIGHT IN FRONT OF A REF IN A PLAYOFF ELIMINATION GAME. - Henri Ikonen will be the latest "Too-Good-For-His-Draft-Position" player from yzerman's tenure and finally, it looks like the goaltending situation will be shored up with Kristers Gudlevskis coming back for a full season, and with him, 19 year old phenom Andrey Vasilevski. this is all added to the Vladislav Namestnikovs, Luke Witkowskis, and honestly - Kucherov will probably be down due to being waiver exempt (and Brett COnnolly isnt).
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bewbies posted:I've said this before but I seriously think that team could have beaten several NHL teams that year in a 7 game series. They were insane. Ah, the ol' "Could Alabama beat the Jaguars" conundrum.  (you're probably not wrong, the Jackets, Oilers and Habs were really, really bad that year)
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VJeff posted:For the last like twenty years, the Griffins were a joke and the Wings were great then for the last, like, two years, the Griffins have been amazing and the Wings have been kind of uh, moldy. But the Wings made the playoffs with a bunch of Griffins in their lineup, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. The Griffins have only been the Wings' affiliate since 2002. To show how little emphasis the team placed on player development before that they were sharing an AHL team with the Ducks after the A-Wings folded. I think they didn't even bother to have guys like Datsyuk or Zetterberg play minor league hockey in North America.
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mcvey posted:As long as he doesn't coach, whatever. Maybe he'd make a good GM/president of hockey things? The only hockey management position Gretzky didn't completely gently caress up was his involvement with Team Canada and that's almost impossible to botch. He makes a good mascot and charity/fundraising host if that's something the Capitals need.
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deafmute posted:The only hockey management position Gretzky didn't completely gently caress up was his involvement with Team Canada and that's almost impossible to botch.
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i miss the good ole days when this thread was about real bad teams and not all these poser bad teams that couldn't hack it in the playoffs
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:I don't think you can honestly do a worse job than Gretzky did in 2006.
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LmaoTheKid posted:Greg McKegg is a wonderful name. One of the top hockey names of modern times, imo. So how likely is it that Halak doesn't sign with the Isles? Not having sub-.900 goaltending is distinctively not Isles-styles. I'm predicting he hilariously walks away. Or if he does sign, his recent groin issues will go full-blown DiPietro. Rotten Cookies fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 5, 2014 |
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Rotten Cookies posted:One of the top hockey names of modern times, imo. They will likely offer him a good contract and the Islanders would be a place where Halak would be the undisputed No. 1, so it has some appeal.
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whatis posted:i miss the good ole days when this thread was about real bad teams and not all these poser bad teams that couldn't hack it in the playoffs The offseason comes for us all eventually, the worst are simply the first to feel its warm embrace
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Gunjin posted:gently caress the Gretzky rumors, gently caress them all. He was a loving amazing player, and as good as he was as a player he's just as bad as an executive or coach. He needs to stay the gently caress away from hockey, go home, count his money and be a happy family millionaire in a way that won't embarrass anyone
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TSN is expanding to five channels for some reason. http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/story/?id=451378 Creative naming.
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TSN8, The Ocho
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Rotten Cookies posted:So how likely is it that Halak doesn't sign with the Isles? Not having sub-.900 goaltending is distinctively not Isles-styles. I'm predicting he hilariously walks away. Or if he does sign, his recent groin issues will go full-blown DiPietro. I dunno staple had this to say Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday posted:May 1 I figure he might sign for 2-3 years if we can actually pay him, what 5.5? He's guaranteed a starter spot and I bet the Isles are willing to wheel and deal seeing as Nabby is getting older, Nilsson said he won't play in the AHL (lol ok dude) and Poulin is not what Roy said he would be... and all three of them are unsigned as of yet.
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Halak is in every way an upgrade over all other current NYI goaltenders and I am bummed that they may have plugged that huge hole
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Ulf Samuelsson, Kevin Dineen and Ed Olczyk will be amongst ex-teammates of CAR GM Ron Francis mentioned as potential coaching candidates. If Olczyk was no longer on NBCSN I'd be pretty happy...
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deafmute posted:If Olczyk was no longer on NBCSN I'd be pretty happy... What's wrong with Olczyk? He's the most entertaining voice of the NBC group.  He does have flashes of overly defending Chicago but compared to some of the other homers covering the game he's a paragon of commentating.
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IBurnStuffAlot posted:I figure he might sign for 2-3 years if we can actually pay him, what 5.5? He's guaranteed a starter spot and I bet the Isles are willing to wheel and deal seeing as Nabby is getting older, Nilsson said he won't play in the AHL (lol ok dude) and Poulin is not what Roy said he would be... and all three of them are unsigned as of yet. Didn't Ehrhoff say similar stuff about signing with the Isles too?
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xzzy posted:What's wrong with Olczyk? He's the most entertaining voice of the NBC group. It's interesting that some Chicago fans think Olczyk sometimes goes out of his way to complain about the Blackhawks just to seem unbiased on national broadcasts, meanwhile other teams fans think he is a shameless homer. I guess people hear what they want to hear. Personally I think the duo of Foley & Olzcyk are one of the least biased of the local teams. They give credit to the opponent, slag bad plays by the Hawks and overall seem to bother telling things about the opponents players. Other local broadcasts can be really awful and sound like there is only one team playing the game with barely a mention that there is another team on the ice. Emetic Hustler fucked around with this message at 15:54 on May 6, 2014 |
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