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Full Battle Rattle posted:Ugh, way to go, Ford. It is kind of an oversight that if you get impeached the guy who replaces you has the ability to totally wipe the slate clean, a power that he alone in the entire country wields. On average, this guy is probably your friend, or at least a respected colleague (although occasionally VP has been filled with convenient do-nothings and on at least one occasion, a mortal enemy). Not to nitpick, but Nixon bailed out before he could be impeached. He doubtlessly would have been, the public nature of Watergate necessitated that, but still, he never actually was impeached. Ford had made some noise about not pardoning him, but it was basically the first thing he did, and his presidency was Mud after that point. Totally agree regarding the pardoning though - under the original US election system, the VP was the runner up per the votes of the electoral college rather than the predetermined running mate of the presidential candidate, and generally at odds with you. A simpler time under Washington's hope for a democratic republic bereft of political parties. How far we have come. I've never seen the West Wing, but I do agree that had Nixon gone down in flames - or even having been successfully impeached, rather than retiring to California and making bank giving speeches and writing self-apologetic memoirs, that the country would be better off. Instead, Nixon revealed himself and his administration to be a lying, manipulative gang of thieves and thugs, and flat out told the country "gently caress you, I'm above the law" - and got to retire to a life of leisure in the sun, setting a rather ugly precedent for having no faith in our leadership.
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May 8, 2014 02:20
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assfro posted:Not to nitpick, but Nixon bailed out before he could be impeached. He doubtlessly would have been, the public nature of Watergate necessitated that, but still, he never actually was impeached. Ford had made some noise about not pardoning him, but it was basically the first thing he did, and his presidency was Mud after that point. Totally agree regarding the pardoning though - under the original US election system, the VP was the runner up per the votes of the electoral college rather than the predetermined running mate of the presidential candidate, and generally at odds with you. A simpler time under Washington's hope for a democratic republic bereft of political parties. How far we have come. And by "the original election system" you mean "George Washington's Presidency", because that was literally the first thing outside of the Bill of Rights that they amended out.
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May 8, 2014 02:22
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:The most D&D bottle of rum. A ruso-cuban plot to break our tables? Havana club not being available in the states is lame though. I'm led to believe the family who owns Bacardi has given the GOP millions over the years to keep the status quo.
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May 8, 2014 02:29
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Blindeye posted:Just FYI for the OP but based on the videos I've seen/Ukraine thread there's a lot of argument over the context of that awful thing. The people who may (or may not, as both sides stockpiled molotovs and were using them) were fired upon from the roof of the building in question and were not fascists. They were dismantling a pro-Russian encampment when shots started ringing out, people flipped out and rushed the building the shots came from, threw some molotovs. They also helped people get out of the building when it caught fire and the police stood by doing nothing even when pro-Russians used them as cover while they shot at pro-Ukrainian protesters. It's kind of a clusterfuck so it might be worth leaving out lest we imply the pro-Ukrainian/Euromaidan side is full of nazis. For this I was going off what was reported on NPR, but if you have something showing it wasn't fascists who torched a building full of civilians, I'll alter the OP accordingly
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And rightly so because it was loving stupid. Also, as Ford often pointed out accepting a Pardon is an admission of guilt and wrongdoing, absent exculpatory evidence
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:
 In actual news, and from the right wing media thread, back to the IRS bullshit. So now we're back to BENGHAZI IRS BENGHAZI IRS HILLARY CLINTON MONICAL LEWINSKY WHITEWATER VINCE FOSTER I'm torn between dreading 2016 and looking forward to it; seeing the Republicans drege up ancient scandal (or "scandal") after ancient scandal only to keep losing will be so much fun to watch. 
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May 8, 2014 02:32
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I wonder how many days Obama would have survived with Vice President John McCain. Or if McCain even gets the nod; imagine the loons the GOP would nominate if the worst-case scenario for them was the Vice Presidency (and fast-tracking impeachment as soon as they could).
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May 8, 2014 02:34
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Fried Chicken posted:For this I was going off what was reported on NPR, but if you have something showing it wasn't fascists who torched a building full of civilians, I'll alter the OP accordingly Crossquoting from the Eastern Europe thread: Mightypeon posted:From what I got: The Pro Ukrainian argument is partly, but not completely true. Mightypeon usually seems to post pro-Russian opinions in that thread, but pro-Ukrainian Kalstrams (who just got big ups on his aggregation from Brown Moses, no less) seems to agree more or less. In any event, the upshot seems like it's soccer hooligans, not Nazis.
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computer parts posted:And by "the original election system" you mean "George Washington's Presidency", because that was literally the first thing outside of the Bill of Rights that they amended out. Second thing. And it applied to Adams as well. Rygar201 posted:And rightly so because it was loving stupid. I'm guessing this was a response to me. It would never work under a two party system, but its a nice bit of nostalgia from a pre-partisan United States. And Ford can say whatever he wants, because with the pardon Nixon got to run around writing books, and making speeches and appearances about how it twisted him up inside to take that pardon for that exact reason, while laughing all the way to the bank. assfro fucked around with this message at 03:01 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 02:47
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Fried Chicken posted:For this I was going off what was reported on NPR, but if you have something showing it wasn't fascists who torched a building full of civilians, I'll alter the OP accordingly That's a trick question and you know it. It's fascists all the way down in Eastern Europe.
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Then again, wasn't there a problem with presidential succession back then as well? It is kind of a silly idea (well, scary if you're sitting president) but if your VP hates you and all it takes is your death to make him president...
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Then again, wasn't there a problem with presidential succession back then as well? It is kind of a silly idea (well, scary if you're sitting president) but if your VP hates you and all it takes is your death to make him president... Not really, I mean, Boener is only two heart beats away from the presidency, and I don't think anyone seriously believes he is going to try and orchestrate a coup like that. edit: I'm not actually arguing for a return to the multi-party executive, I just thought it was an interesting example of where the VP might not immediately pardon an outgoing president, and a time when partisanship was hoped to be less debilitating. Said hope lasted all of 16 odd years and now we cannot even pass a budget, let alone have a split executive office. assfro fucked around with this message at 03:13 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 03:07
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Weren't people bemoaning the lack of conservative intellectuals a couple pages ago? How about David Barton? http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/david-barton-tackles-womens-voting-rights quote:Barton explained that women were not given the right to vote when the Constitution was written because the Founding Fathers were trying to protect the institution of the family by giving every “family” a right to vote through the male head of the household. Sounds like a winner to me Maybe this will be the issue that ruins some tebagger's career this time around, instead of talking about how they're all really just asking for it and totally deserve whatever punishment God chooses for their slutty ways. E: I guess I don't know how to quote links properly
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David Barton is as much of an intellectual as your angry grandfather is.
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Why does the Benghazi committee exist, again?
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Why does the Benghazi committee exist, again? Black man living in the White House? Reactionaries still trying to pin a Democrat President with an impeachment trial like the Dems did to Nixon?
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Why does the Benghazi committee exist, again? To distract the base from the fact that Obamacare is working
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:What are they even going to do? Try to get someone to perjure themselves
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:What are they even going to do? Probably hold John Kerry in contempt, because why the gently caress not. On the plus side their tough talking "prosecutor" heading the committee looks like a cross between Julian Assange and Pepe le Pew, so that's fun. 
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:What are they even going to do? As little as possible, as loudly as possible, for as long as possible.
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Jagchosis posted:Probably hold John Kerry in contempt, because why the gently caress not. On the plus side their tough talking "prosecutor" heading the committee looks like a cross between Julian Assange and Pepe le Pew, so that's fun. Maybe they can just vote to hold the democratic party in contempt and get it over with.
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Cabbit posted:As little as possible, as loudly as possible, for as long as possible. Hello June thread title.
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hobbesmaster posted:Maybe they can just vote to hold the democratic party in contempt and get it over with. To quote transformers "I've got nothing but contempt for this court." (Or committee or whatever)
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Cabbit posted:As little as possible, as loudly as possible, for as long as possible. jk goons are all virgins
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Jagchosis posted:Probably hold John Kerry in contempt, because why the gently caress not. On the plus side their tough talking "prosecutor" heading the committee looks like a cross between Julian Assange and Pepe le Pew, so that's fun. It's gonna be so good when they hold 50 contempt votes, and 25 of those are repeatedly John Kerry the same they way they had nearly 50 votes repealing Obamacare. They're a bunch of morons. They have zero political power in reality, and so they're trying to prosecute it in the court of public opinion. A year and a half after the attack, I'm not sure how much patience people actually have for it. None of it gained traction before. I don't see any reason why it would gain traction now. They can impeach whoever they like. They can hold anyone they want in contempt. They don't have the votes in the Senate to convict, and wouldn't even if they took every toss-up seat in the Senate in November. The AG is also not going to prosecute all their frivolous contempt votes. The real danger for them is proving to the American people how useless they really are. They toss around the words "impeachment" as a threat because it actually has more power as a nebulous threat than as a useful tool in their current situation. ErIog fucked around with this message at 04:51 on May 8, 2014 |
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Jagchosis posted:Probably hold John Kerry in contempt, because why the gently caress not. On the plus side their tough talking "prosecutor" heading the committee looks like a cross between Julian Assange and Pepe le Pew, so that's fun. If there's someone in politics that NEEDS a $400 haircut, it's that guy.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:To distract the base from the fact that Obamacare is working On that note: Called by Republicans, Health Insurers Deliver Unexpected Testimony quote:WASHINGTON — House Republicans summoned a half-dozen health insurance executives to a hearing Wednesday envisioned as another forum for criticism of the Affordable Care Act. But insurers refused to go along with the plan, and surprised Republican critics of the law by undercutting some of their arguments against it. They are so far in the bubble, the reactions when it gets breached are astounding. I mean, its one thing to spew bullshit to win elections. That's how it works. But you aren't supposed to start believing it. And that's the problem: They believe their own bullshit.
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I can't remember if it was in this thread from last month, or another thread, but anyone have a link to that article that talks about Cliven Budy saying he gets commands from God or something insane alone those line?
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KomradeX posted:I can't remember if it was in this thread from last month, or another thread, but anyone have a link to that article that talks about Cliven Budy saying he gets commands from God or something insane alone those line?
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In case you're not going to watch a talk show for the next month and might miss this: The most Repulican company is the company that makes WONDERBREAD. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/the-countrys-most-republican-company-the-makers-of-wonder-bread.html
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pangstrom posted:In case you're not going to watch a talk show for the next month and might miss this: The most Repulican company is the company that makes WONDERBREAD. Republicans are whitebred? No poo poo.
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pangstrom posted:In case you're not going to watch a talk show for the next month and might miss this: The most Repulican company is the company that makes WONDERBREAD. Blandest known company also the most virulently conservative? Why am I not surprised at all. How revolting. I think they only allow Republicans in management, since none of their executives have donated to a Democrat in decades.
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Jagchosis posted:Probably hold John Kerry in contempt, because why the gently caress not. On the plus side their tough talking "prosecutor" heading the committee looks like a cross between Julian Assange and Pepe le Pew, so that's fun. It's like someone stuck Bruce Campbell's face on Julian Assange, and then smashed his face in to a wall repeatedly. 
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OAquinas posted:If there's someone in politics that NEEDS a $400 haircut, it's that guy. May very well be a $400 haircut, never underestimate this. A lot of politicians throw good money towards bad fashion sense.
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Evil Fluffy posted:It's like someone stuck Bruce Campbell's face on Julian Assange, and then smashed his face in to a wall repeatedly. 60-year-old Draco Malfoy
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RadicalWall posted:I do understand the sentiment, but I also have republican family members and they'll tell you it's the Democrats. It's hard to say "our system is fine, except for half of the electorate who are inhuman monsters." Well it's hard to compromise on some stuff that's binary, like abortion, whether homeless people deserve homes or not, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgYQuKzVabY
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Bernie Sanders did an AMA on Reddit and the local population of crazies was shockingly well heeled. Maybe its just that Bernie magic: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/24zdnn/i_am_senator_bernie_sanders_ivt_ama/ Also got Lagavulin 16 for my birthday, its a good day.
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