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You people are way too caught up in this Int vs. Wis crap. The correct answer is more points in Str, so to make more smash. Puny weaklings...
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I don't blame him for being nervous about wasting even one stat point. I've played korean mmos and some of them are just brutal with how stat allocations are set up. In Ragnarok Online int based classes had break points for int, so going from 123 int to 124 might gain you 1 point more damage on your spells, 125 to 125 though? That was a boost of 500 damage. They also set it up so that the only way to hit the highest breakpoints was to put every point into int and get the best .001% drop rate items, .001% drop rate items that drop from a special boss that appears in a semi-random location on a 12 hour timer. I'm not even exaggerating here.
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May 8, 2014 21:35
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That's one of the things I like about setting like this where the range of magic is diverse but your aptitude is informed by your life experiences. There was an TRPG I played years ago called Mage: The Ascension where reality was presented as a mutable entity and mages were the people who could directly exert their influence over it (at some personal risk but that's not important right now). You had all kinds of factions among the mages ranging from buddhist monks with chi powers, 90s trenchcoat wearing hackers and street samurai, Harry Potter style European wizards, and the system allowed for you to just make up your own paradigm for how your magic looked and just handled the effect it could have on the world. The world of The Gamer seems similar to that given the range of ability users we have seen. Even though Han has a gamer ability he treats it like a Korean MMO because that's what he knows. If a gamer with a history of western single player RPGs got this power they may focus on different stats that are more beneficial to the types of games they play (Wisdom for anyone familiar with Planescape Torment). Heck, a player with more experience working with action games that have RPG elements (  ) might focus more on stats related towards equipment requirements so they could whip out a 40 STR hammer and dominate their enemies.
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May 8, 2014 22:00
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I'm gonna be loving furious if he's been bumbling around in the dark afraid to experiment with this power beyond finding one thing that he can work with if he finds a loving respec potion or something. Though if they make a serious plot point about real life not being an MMO, even with gamer powers, that'll be pretty cool and redeem this. I get that Korean MMOs can be super rough, but he's the only one that can make an optimized build anyway so I don't think he needs to worry about min-maxing. Arsonist Daria fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 22:15
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He should look for some way to respec and also spam his observe skill until he can see Sun-Il's stats
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May 8, 2014 22:31
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I dunno why you wouldn't bump your fundamental physical stats until you were at least in Jason Bourne status. Doesn't seem like it'd be that difficult or require that many points to get your agility/strength/constitution up to where you're close to the pinnacle of non-magical human fitness.
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Fabricated posted:I dunno why you wouldn't bump your fundamental physical stats until you were at least in Jason Bourne status. Doesn't seem like it'd be that difficult or require that many points to get your agility/strength/constitution up to where you're close to the pinnacle of non-magical human fitness. I was hoping he'd take a broader approach to all this after those dudes almost killed him or enslaved him, which is why I am so frustrated he decided to double down on magic. I mean sure, spec in magic, that's pretty loving awesome, but everyone's been telling you and your experiences have been showing you that you need to learn to handle yourself. Why wrack your brain trying to come up with evasion magic or whatever when you can just learn to dodge?
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May 8, 2014 22:42
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I'm kinda surprised, looking back at the Auction, that he never bought the book on Illusion Magic. It was right there as he was fretting about being unable to dodge and needing a tank. I guess Jee-Han is really good at missing the forest for the trees.
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May 8, 2014 22:45
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Dragonatrix posted:I'm kinda surprised, looking back at the Auction, that he never bought the book on Illusion Magic. It was right there as he was fretting about being unable to dodge and needing a tank. I guess Jee-Han is really good at missing the forest for the trees. It's almost like he makes unwise decisions 
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May 8, 2014 22:50
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Dragonatrix posted:I'm kinda surprised, looking back at the Auction, that he never bought the book on Illusion Magic. It was right there as he was fretting about being unable to dodge and needing a tank. I guess Jee-Han is really good at missing the forest for the trees. Fabricated posted:I dunno why you wouldn't bump your fundamental physical stats until you were at least in Jason Bourne status. Doesn't seem like it'd be that difficult or require that many points to get your agility/strength/constitution up to where you're close to the pinnacle of non-magical human fitness. That said, he basically needs to raise all his stats to some reasonable level, and getting his physical stats to Jason Bourne levels seems like a good start. After he gets the wisdom to know he should do that.
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May 8, 2014 22:51
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I wouldn't be surprised if a help menu popped up when he's in danger and screams out for "help", since I don't think that happened so far. Is it even similar in Korean, though?
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Anyone else notice the imagined images of the various elementals were all girl-shaped? Here I am, thinking, "earth elemental" and I'm thinking of a wood golem from Asheron's Call. He's thinking, slender dryad. At least he realized he can figure out how to summon all the various types on his own once he has the basics down. I think he just wants to up his INT so he can read that Divine Something-Or-The-Other book from Sun Il's grandpa from early on. If he learns that, he can heal like anything, right? Or something? His INT has to be like 90-something. At least he has a goal. I think he's an Og-Mage. And, uh, yeah, let's learn a brand new, exciting, skill and just talk about using it but not actually do it until next week's chapter. Gah! The face he made while rolling around on the ground was pretty awesome. He needs a logout button.
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May 8, 2014 23:23
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Man, i can't wait 'til chapter 34 comes out, i've been getting antsy.
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May 8, 2014 23:25
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HenryEx posted:Man, i can't wait 'til chapter 34 comes out, i've been getting antsy. It's already out dude. Chapter 36 just came out.
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May 8, 2014 23:31
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He's talking about better translations.Ice Phisherman posted:Experiment more and read the drat book. That was the first thing he said he'd do after he realized it wasn't a skill book. He just hasn't done it yet because it was a long day.
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May 8, 2014 23:32
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Go and look at the differences between the "bad" translations and the "good" ones, there is barely any difference.
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Red Mike posted:I wouldn't be surprised if a help menu popped up when he's in danger and screams out for "help", since I don't think that happened so far. Is it even similar in Korean, though? Kinda. The standard Korean equivalent of screaming out "HELP!" in a dangerous situation is literally translated as, "SAVE ME!". Literally screaming out 'help' in Korean is roughly equivalent to screaming out 'save me' in English, which is to say not the #1 cliche choice, but just as valid.
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May 8, 2014 23:38
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Twiddy posted:As has been said before, he's used to thems Korean MMOs and hasn't quite resigned himself to the idea that A. this isn't a Korean MMO, and B. even if it was, you're not gonna accidentally optimize your build as the only person to play this game without any idea of what's going on. I dunno why people are thinking that following the Korean MMO path won't be the correct one in the end. I'm pretty sure that's where the author's gonna go with this.
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Law Cheetah posted:I dunno why people are thinking that following the Korean MMO path won't be the correct one in the end. I'm pretty sure that's where the author's gonna go with this. Yeah, I'm guessing that being able to min-max will be his advantage over the plebs. That's not really an option for most people.
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Fabricated posted:I dunno why you wouldn't bump your fundamental physical stats until you were at least in Jason Bourne status. Doesn't seem like it'd be that difficult or require that many points to get your agility/strength/constitution up to where you're close to the pinnacle of non-magical human fitness. Because that's incredibly useless? He is already aware that people in the Abyss, the powerful one, tends to be so powerful that having 'decent' base stats in everything won't help at all. It's not like there is any real reason for him to want to be especially good at sports or something. It's not the same INT that enables him to get good grade and get a good job (before he realized he could just get money via grinding). Anyway, pretty sure he is realizing he needs WIS, as he commented about "needing to be able to understand things better". I -think- the translation talked about putting point on INT when it should have been in WIS (translation mistake). I don't speak Korean, though. His goal of 'investing everything into being a mage that can use spell to dodge/travel/tank' makes perfect sense, though it is of course not a mage-knight type of thing that some might prefer.
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Honestly he should have just put all his points into charisma and inspired other people to fight for him. (was charisma even one of his stats?)
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Arkeus posted:Because that's incredibly useless? What the gently caress? This translation is really bad in a subtle way. The translation goes, "Uhm, do I have to up my intelligence or something? Being smart doesn't make me wiser, right?" An actual translation goes, "Should I raise my Wisdom? Intelligence means being smarter, but not necessarily wiser, right?" The translation mixes up Int and Wis. EDIT: So yes, you were right. Translation mistake.
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Basically HenryEx has the right idea here.
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Amstrad posted:I'm actually afraid of this happening. Because I read some BSS comic threads recently I want him to be this guy:  Dan7el posted:Anyone else notice the imagined images of the various elementals were all girl-shaped? Here I am, thinking, "earth elemental" and I'm thinking of a wood golem from Asheron's Call. He's thinking, slender dryad. At least he realized he can figure out how to summon all the various types on his own once he has the basics down. Nah, the fire one looks like a dude. The water one is a popular image of an Undine and the wind one is supposed to be a Sylph. This chapter made me rethink his mom's sudden level change - would make sense if she's doing that because she has informants in the Abyss and is trying to keep a low profile against the Auction guys/assorted bad dudes. Presumably at her real level she would be competent enough to fool Jee-han's observe skill, and as far as we know, she has been avoiding getting involved personally in Jee-han's new adventures in the magic realm. booksnake fucked around with this message at 01:30 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 01:26
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Arkeus posted:Because that's incredibly useless? Being able to take at least one more hit or be able to sprint solid for a few minutes or vault over walls as a parkour wizard would be pretty handy when your MP inevitably runs out.
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Fabricated posted:he'll still be a mage or whatever, but it'd prolly be useful to not get tired at the same rate as a regular schlub when running away from said deadly people. The crazies in the abyss are powerful yeah but the world he's in is still physically designed for regular human beings. Or he could learn to teleport.
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Clarste posted:Or he could learn to teleport. Eventually he's going to run into a problem that his level of magic can't solve, and not have someone to swoop in and gank his aggressor. Then he'll wish he leveled up his "Run like the dickens" skill.
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Brought To You By posted:Eventually he's going to run into a problem that his level of magic can't solve, and not have someone to swoop in and gank his aggressor. Then he'll wish he leveled up his "Run like the dickens" skill. 
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Nahxela posted:Clearly he must get to a higher level of magic When he increases his wisdom, he'll finally start to use the Pause command in the main menu.
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pnumoman posted:When he increases his wisdom, he'll finally start to use the Pause command in the main menu. Honestly, that did occur to me - if Wisdom is about making the best of the choices you already know you have, this would basically be the ultimate application of that concept. Maybe start with just a bullet-time mode, and eventually work up to a pause. And he can grind his Pause skill so that he can keep the game paused for longer.
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Having more time to think doesn't mean you'll make better decisions. In some ways more wisdom seems like it should let you take less time time.
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HenryEx posted:Man, i can't wait 'til chapter 34 comes out, i've been getting antsy. Mangacow just picked it up and its a lot better quality than the other speed group to start doing it
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Law Cheetah posted:I dunno why people are thinking that following the Korean MMO path won't be the correct one in the end. I'm pretty sure that's where the author's gonna go with this. Arkeus posted:Because that's incredibly useless? Overall though... Dan7el posted:I think he just wants to up his INT so he can read that Divine Something-Or-The-Other book from Sun Il's grandpa from early on. If he learns that, he can heal like anything, right? Or something? His INT has to be like 90-something. I mean, the point of getting more wisdom is so that he can have better insight, see more options, and make better decisions. That doesn't help when there isn't a decision. Gotta break through that barrier first. Twiddy fucked around with this message at 07:53 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 07:51
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Actually, isn't that 90 Int technique off limit to non-clanmates? I seem to recall something along that line. They're willing to teach him their basic techniques because he's a friend of the clan, not so much the top-level stuff.
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Brought To You By posted:Eventually he's going to run into a problem that his level of magic can't solve, and not have someone to swoop in and gank his aggressor. Then he'll wish he leveled up his "Run like the dickens" skill. Someone needs to hand him a Rincewind novel. 
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Twiddy posted:
But he does have a basic level of fitness. Moreover, he can heal at a stupidly quick rate. He is correct in thinking that any points in in Body abilities is utterly useless unless he focus enough on them to increase them to a level where he can do mage-knight type stuff where he uses magic to increase them further with multipliers. 'Health mind in a healthy body' is a whole load of trash in real life, and is even worse in this webtoon where he already has passives that grants him that. If you mean a -smart- mind, that would be INT or WIS. quote:I mean, the point of getting more wisdom is so that he can have better insight, see more options, and make better decisions. That doesn't help when there isn't a decision. Gotta break through that barrier first. Wisdom might also increase his multiplier on 'learning' from non-skill books, so that he can grasp concept and gain point boosts without having actual direct teaching.
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Arkeus posted:'Health mind in a healthy body' is a whole load of trash in real life, and is even worse in this webtoon where he already has passives that grants him that. If you mean a -smart- mind, that would be INT or WIS. quote:Wisdom might also increase his multiplier on 'learning' from non-skill books, so that he can grasp concept and gain point boosts without having actual direct teaching.
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Kaja Rainbow posted:Actually, isn't that 90 Int technique off limit to non-clanmates? I seem to recall something along that line. They're willing to teach him their basic techniques because he's a friend of the clan, not so much the top-level stuff. It was in the box of books that they let him try to learn. I'm pretty sure they don't mind since they just handed it to him.
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Arkeus posted:'Health mind in a healthy body' is a whole load of trash in real life, and is even worse in this webtoon where he already has passives that grants him that. It's really not, if your metabolism is all jacked up it'll leave you feeling very sluggish. Exercise and diet also have very direct effects on neurochemistry. I agree that this kinda stuff probably doesn't have a place in this webtoon but in the real world it's anything but a load of trash.
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XboxPants posted:It's really not, if your metabolism is all jacked up it'll leave you feeling very sluggish. Exercise and diet also have very direct effects on neurochemistry. The actual effectiveness of any tactic in the story is limited by either the author's knowledge or whatever conclusion/world he wants to create. He may ignore or be ignorant of some details and therefore they won't be addressed in the webtoon (thus not being relevant), but I'm trying not to assume what the author knows or what knowledge is going to be implanted into the world he's creating. Basically, this is a very lengthy justification that summarizes to "I'm just using the tools I got, man." Also yeah, my comment to "show me statistics and studies" might seem annoyingly dismissive but I actually have been looking and everything shows positive correlations. The most damning thing I see is that the benefits of health only affect specific parts of intelligence, and possibly not all areas. I think you're just bitter Arkeus. Twiddy fucked around with this message at 10:30 on May 9, 2014 |
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