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Just flew two formation flights in a King Air 200. Of all the wacky things I've done in pilot training, this may have been the wackiest. (Its a Navy trainer for the obvious "why" question)
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Under CNN's "the Latest" "Jet Drops 600 feet in 1 minute" I don't even...
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May 17, 2014 23:20
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Rickety Cricket posted:Under CNN's "the Latest" Plane does thing, news at
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May 17, 2014 23:24
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Rickety Cricket posted:Under CNN's "the Latest" wtf, what kind of reckless pilots are these airlines hiring these days?
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May 17, 2014 23:25
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At this very moment there's a plane near Seattle descending at a blistering 1500 feet per minute! Someone call CNN! Fake edit: Oh god it's over 1600, won't someone think of the children!
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May 17, 2014 23:33
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Rickety Cricket posted:Under CNN's "the Latest" I assume its referring to this? https://medium.com/medium-long/c2f8d68a917c
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May 18, 2014 00:10
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From now on all commercial flights must be greater than 3000 miles and follow a ballistic trajectory to ensure maximum passenger comfort and safety.
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May 18, 2014 02:06
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hobbesmaster posted:I assume its referring to this? https://medium.com/medium-long/c2f8d68a917c 6 miles off of Hawaii and he's not under positive control? Whats the story here? I can't decipher from the article because its been written in "scare people about airplanes" language.
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May 18, 2014 04:26
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Bob A Feet posted:6 miles off of Hawaii and he's not under positive control? Whats the story here? I can't decipher from the article because its been written in "scare people about airplanes" language. From what I saw in the workplace's break room on CNN, a TCAS RA between two airliners
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May 18, 2014 04:30
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I don't remember reading about the situation back when it happened, but controller/pilot error could have been a factor.
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May 18, 2014 05:10
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Bob A Feet posted:6 miles off of Hawaii and he's not under positive control? Whats the story here? I can't decipher from the article because its been written in "scare people about airplanes" language. Yeah its a pretty painful read especially since he seems to think hes an expert on the subject now that hes spent 5 minutes reading about it.
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May 18, 2014 05:32
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hobbesmaster posted:I assume its referring to this? https://medium.com/medium-long/c2f8d68a917c If I read this whole thing am I going to get mad? Because just from the first paragraph alone in an article about an event where TCAS did what it was supposed to then scrolling down and seeing  TENERIFE makes me feel like I'm going to get mad.
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May 18, 2014 05:52
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Duke Chin posted:If I read this whole thing am I going to get mad? Because just from the first paragraph alone in an article about an event where TCAS did what it was supposed to then scrolling down and seeing Depends, do you get mad or laugh at people that think they understand things after talking to somebody for five minutes and reading a couple of wikipedia articles?
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May 18, 2014 05:54
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The article is basically "I was on a flight that successfully avoided (due to TCAS doing what it's supposed to) what might have been a collision and ANY MOMENT PLANES WILL START SMASHING INTO EACHOTHER and the sky will rain bodies like that episode of Breaking Bad because there isn't a government agency specifically keeping track of every single plane on the entire planet simultaneously and the government isn't individually slapping the cocks of every pilot who makes a mistake and the whole system relies on evil unreliable automation which (ignoring the fact I totally credit it as saving my life at the beginning of the article) is totally going to kill everyone!"
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May 18, 2014 10:00
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Duke Chin posted:If I read this whole thing am I going to get mad? Because just from the first paragraph alone in an article about an event where TCAS did what it was supposed to then scrolling down and seeing The guy that wrote that article is that guy that tries to explain to you everything thats happening when your plane is delayed or you hit turbulence and you wish he would shut up.
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May 18, 2014 12:21
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Bob A Feet posted:The guy that wrote that article is that guy that tries to explain to you everything thats happening when your plane is delayed or you hit turbulence and you wish he would shut up. I was on a commercial flight arriving into ATL at night and I had the most spectacular view of the traffic pattern with at least 10 or 15 other airliners on approach as we flew past the airport on downwind. The person next to me was extremely nervous about flying and said, "I'll be ok as long as we don't make any more big turns near the ground now." and I debated with myself for about half a second before telling him the bad news. I couldn't help myself.
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May 18, 2014 12:41
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DNova posted:I couldn't help myself. I just hope you prefaced it with "...well then you're going to love this!"
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May 18, 2014 13:45
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 What's that little hatch on top between the engines for? Edit: CRJ200
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May 18, 2014 14:02
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APU inlet?
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May 18, 2014 14:50
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ausgezeichnet posted:APU inlet? As a CRJ200 driver, yes that is the APU inlet. It closes when the APU is off to prevent APU turbine windmilling in flight. That APU is a POS. In the summer the logic board gets hot (imagine that) and won't let the APU start. They found the constant off/on cycles were harder on it so now they don't want us to shut them off, after YEARS of telling us to turn them off ASAP or not to start them on landing. It should be noted that this airplane has zero bleed air at ground idle so there is ZERO air movement or air conditioning. AWSEFT fucked around with this message at 15:55 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 15:51
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Jealous Cow posted:
Pretty sure that's the thing that limits them to 250kts while at the front of a line of about 6 other arrivals.
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May 18, 2014 16:23
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Rickety Cricket posted:Under CNN's "the Latest" Somebody call Schumer and Sully and get them on the legislative war path! We can't have such dangerous operations when our children are at risk! Bob A Feet posted:The guy that wrote that article is that guy that tries to explain to you everything thats happening when your plane is delayed or you hit turbulence and you wish he would shut up. I was waiting for a connection at ATL the other night and overheard the following from a group of misconnects waiting in line behind me, with my educated responses posted below: "The screen shows all those flights (DL, AF, KL, VA logos rotating) going to Columbus. There must be seats on at least one of them!" -Those airlines all sell seats on this Delta flight and the screen indicates the respective flight number for each under which this flight operates. There's only one plane. "I arrived at the gate just as they were closing the door and they couldn't hold the flight 5 minutes for us to get on!" -Your rear end didn't get there in time for whatever reason. Other people who were in the situation you are now got your seats. "How are we supposed to know if we're gonna make this???" -You see those screens overhead? Those provide the information you're seeking. Turn around, interpret them, and listen to the PA explanations of each. All your wildest dreams may come true. Plus, this 737 is smaller than the one you missed earlier. YMMV "The pilots said they were trying to make up time but I think that was just crap." -Wanted to say my inbound took a five minute delay and still got there on time, but I bit my tongue. My education dollars providing a public service.
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May 18, 2014 16:32
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fknlo posted:Pretty sure that's the thing that limits them to 250kts while at the front of a line of about 6 other arrivals. Nope. Even with the door deferred open the limit is 300 KIAS (unless its running).
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May 18, 2014 16:36
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fknlo posted:Pretty sure that's the thing that limits them to 250kts while at the front of a line of about 6 other arrivals. They should have separate but equal facilities for props and prop like aircraft.
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May 18, 2014 16:44
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AWSEFT posted:As a CRJ200 driver, yes that is the APU inlet. It closes when the APU is off to prevent APU turbine windmilling in flight. There's also an opening at the base of the tail. What's that for? Is opening that hatch to enable windmilling part of a total power loss procedure?
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May 18, 2014 16:45
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Jealous Cow posted:There's also an opening at the base of the tail. What's that for? I thought the total power loss procedure in a CRJ200 was to make sure not to tell anyone, make sure you're going too slow for the engine cores to continue to spin, trade seats with the copilot and then stall out and crash into a subdivision.
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May 18, 2014 17:22
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hobbesmaster posted:I thought the total power loss procedure in a CRJ200 was to make sure not to tell anyone, make sure you're going too slow for the engine cores to continue to spin, trade seats with the copilot and then stall out and crash into a subdivision. Not that this hasn't been covered enough already, but this accident makes my loving blood boil. The so-called pilot literally doesn't know how flying works, down to the most elementary level.
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May 18, 2014 17:31
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The ferry flight in which they try to get to FL410 or something right?
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May 18, 2014 18:13
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AWSEFT posted:Nope. Even with the door deferred open the limit is 300 KIAS (unless its running). So what is it that limits them to 250kts? I'm sure a Waterski pilot can tell me since something like 25% of them that I deal with are restricted to this. Minclark posted:They should have separate but equal facilities for props and prop like aircraft. We do have different procedures for turboprops going into KSTL. I'll usually call approach and get something worked out if the slow guy is really going to mess things up.
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May 18, 2014 18:23
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Jealous Cow posted:There's also an opening at the base of the tail. What's that for? I've never flow the 200 but on the 700 it's an air intake for hydraulic cooling and a ram air intake for cabin ventilation. It may also be used for something to do with the packs (pre cooling?) but I'm having a brain fart and can't remember at the moment. Edit, pack cooling:  On my iPad, can't tell if that image is table breaking or not. Will check when I get to a real PC. KodiakRS fucked around with this message at 19:19 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 19:00
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The "pilots go full retard, back plane into subdivision" crash was on a Q400. The "let's join the FL410 club and turn our plane into a glider" crash was on an empty CRJ and was the only fatal 121 crash since 1990 to involve a pilot with less than 1500...
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May 18, 2014 19:07
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CBJSprague24 posted:The "pilots go full retard, back plane into subdivision" crash was on a Q400. Pinnacle 3701 crashed next to some houses, Colgan crashed into someone's house.
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May 18, 2014 19:24
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Let's not forget Conair 5191 which took off from the wrong runway, which was somehow the controllers fault.
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May 18, 2014 19:36
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KodiakRS posted:Let's not forget Conair 5191 which took off from the wrong runway, which was somehow the controllers fault. Actually I think you'll find that it was actually the airport's fault for having construction going on and not making sure that comair had an up to date chart. (whats a NOTAM?) Also Comair got a judge to rule that they didn't have to pay punitive damages because they apparently weren't liable for their pilots' extreme incompetence.
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May 18, 2014 19:41
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Jealous Cow posted:There's also an opening at the base of the tail. What's that for? It vents air into the aft equipment bay which houses a few systems (like hydraulics, ram air pack cooling). Nope. That vent is actually not tied to the APU at all (other than the APU inside its fireproof box sits in the aft equipment bay). Total loss of power would lead to ADG (Air driven generator) deployment. fknlo posted:So what is it that limits them to 250kts? I'm sure a Waterski pilot can tell me since something like 25% of them that I deal with are restricted to this. I know everyone flies the same airplane many different ways (Our checklists are all COMPLETE different). Our profile is 290/.74 (but 290/.70 is more realistic when loaded) in the climb/descent and 300/.74 in cruise. Edit 2: I will say this, if Cleveland gives me 300 knots, then 250, then 320, then 250, then finally normal speed 30 miles from a 250 speed restricted fix, I'm not speeding up again damnit. AWSEFT fucked around with this message at 21:55 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 21:44
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AWSEFT posted:Oh TSA......... Maybe it's some kind of company fuel saving thing. Do they say that is normal speed? No, it will be posted in their remarks as 250kts max. I've asked them about it on frequency as well as a guy I know that flies for them, and I'm pretty sure they've told me it's because of an APU door. There's also something that's constantly wrong with them that limits them to FL250 as well.
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May 19, 2014 01:54
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fknlo posted:No, it will be posted in their remarks as 250kts max. I've asked them about it on frequency as well as a guy I know that flies for them, and I'm pretty sure they've told me it's because of an APU door. There's also something that's constantly wrong with them that limits them to FL250 as well. Confirming this. Had three that were speed restricted, and one altitude restricted, just today.
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May 19, 2014 02:03
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I believe the proper conclusion is to burn all CRJ200's. Passengers hate them, ATC hates them...
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May 19, 2014 03:45
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fknlo posted:Pretty sure that's the thing that limits them to 250kts while at the front of a line of about 6 other arrivals. Also limits them to 100ft hits in the climb. fknlo posted:No, it will be posted in their remarks as 250kts max. I've asked them about it on frequency as well as a guy I know that flies for them, and I'm pretty sure they've told me it's because of an APU door. There's also something that's constantly wrong with them that limits them to FL250 as well. Oh wait, we are serious.
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Aero737 posted:I believe the proper conclusion is to burn all CRJ200's. Passengers hate them, ATC hates them... My first CR2 trip was in 6th grade, MCO-FLL. Back THEN when I was 5' tall, I had to lean forward to look out the window. I'm only 5'4" now and they still suck as a passenger. At least they sort of fixed things on the -700 and -900, but Embraer still has them beat.
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