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Been a while since I've posted some old Horseys. Let's start with something small and inoffensive, like... RACE RELATIONS  1 2 3 4 5 6
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May 21, 2014 21:54
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Those old Horseys are pretty gross but the art is fantastic.
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May 21, 2014 21:58
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Horsey is a huge shitlord and has always been a huge shitlord.
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May 21, 2014 21:58
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The black guy in this one is right, though. I mean the cop is going to abuse his power to gently caress with the black guy who in this situation is powerless. These two are not on equal footing. gently caress "There's blame on both sides" race relations.
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May 21, 2014 22:00
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Was Horsey a Reagan Democrat or something?
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May 21, 2014 22:05
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Gonzo McFee posted:The black guy in this one is right, though. I mean the cop is going to abuse his power to gently caress with the black guy who in this situation is powerless. These two are not on equal footing. That's my problem with this comic. One of these two people has the ability to beat and murder the other and face no jail time for it. That's an inherently unequal relationship which makes it funny that the onus is apparently on the black guy to show sympathy for the officer.
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May 21, 2014 22:06
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Surely there is at least one cartoonist with correct opinions, could someone find and post them please?
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May 21, 2014 22:07
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carry on then posted:Surely there is at least one cartoonist with correct opinions, could someone find and post them please? Excuse me, it's Correct Opinions (note the capitalization).
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May 21, 2014 22:10
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I bought a Ward Sutton collection a couple weeks ago, I could scan some of the comics in that if people want. It covers mostly the elections of 2000 and 2004.
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May 21, 2014 22:12
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The last two Horseys would be great if they were a response to him getting called racist for the first four. A kind of proto-Stan Kelly, right there in real life.
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May 21, 2014 22:13
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carry on then posted:Surely there is at least one cartoonist with correct opinions, could someone find and post them please?
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May 21, 2014 22:14
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Ammat The Ankh posted:
I'd argue that the good opinion is outweighed by really poor, unclear execution. I'd like to know the context of the Horseys before I judge them too harshly.
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May 21, 2014 22:23
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carry on then posted:Surely there is at least one cartoonist with correct opinions, could someone find and post them please? 
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May 21, 2014 22:25
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Warning: You're gonna die, dummy! That should be a real warning label.
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May 21, 2014 22:26
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 Well if not a Proto-Kelly, Horsey certainly would be a Proto-Steve Brule.
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May 21, 2014 22:35
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Discendo Vox posted:I'd argue that the good opinion is outweighed by really poor, unclear execution. Horsey's opinions have improved over time; I think that was one of the surprising things that came up during the big megaposts on him.
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May 21, 2014 22:40
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Horsey's opinions have improved over time; I think that was one of the surprising things that came up during the big megaposts on him.
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May 21, 2014 22:42
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JT Jag posted:His opinions in general improved over time, then his foreign policy opinions suddenly got worse after 9/11. Also: Boobs.
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May 21, 2014 22:44
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Doesn't Horsey usually have essays to go with his cartoons? Because I'm not finding them blatantly horrible on their own and could imagine they are a lot tamer when put into the context of current events back in the days.
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May 21, 2014 22:44
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JT Jag posted:His opinions in general improved over time, then his foreign policy opinions suddenly got worse after 9/11. You even see him almost start to show some empathy to Muslim people in some comics in 2001, one even looks like he finally gets it in either August or early September of that year. Then... 
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May 21, 2014 22:46
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It returns!
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May 21, 2014 22:48
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Spiffster posted:You even see him almost start to show some empathy to Muslim people in some comics in 2001, one even looks like he finally gets it in either August or early September of that year. Then... It was published September 7th. http://m.seattlepi.com/davidhorsey/slideshow/David-Horsey-cartoons-September-2001-14841/photo-980365.php
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May 21, 2014 22:57
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Spiffster posted:You even see him almost start to show some empathy to Muslim people in some comics in 2001, one even looks like he finally gets it in either August or early September of that year. Then... edit: September 7th, as said above.
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May 21, 2014 22:57
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Gonzo McFee posted:The black guy in this one is right, though. I mean the cop is going to abuse his power to gently caress with the black guy who in this situation is powerless. These two are not on equal footing. What's funny is Horsey made exactly this cartoon later, except with harmless looking Basically Trayvon Martin, harmless looking Hispanic Man In A Tanktop, mostly harmless looking racist redneck (he had a CSA flag hat on but mostly just looked like a doofus) and then there's this cop who looks like a loving terminator, so this is definitely something he's changed on.
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May 21, 2014 22:57
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Horsey always struck me as a great window into the average American liberal Democrat voter. He probably thinks of himself as quite left-wing while having a lot of half-understood prejudices and being vulnerable to a lot of easy myths (like Universities being the world of Political Correctness Gone Mad!). The way his foreign policy opinions swung after 9/11 is especially useful to understand how so much of the country could suddenly be so easily misled into war. He falls for just about everything there, including the common "But Afghanistan is the Good War!" thing. Not a bad guy per se, just someone who needs to be challenged more on his subconscious beliefs and probably has been over the course of his career. His bad opinions feel a lot less firm than the irredeemable stuff put out by McCoy or Ramirez. Dolash fucked around with this message at 23:02 on May 21, 2014 |
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May 21, 2014 23:00
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JaggerMcDagger posted:It returns! Is Rall really going for a "i can't hit on hot girls cuz i'll get charged with sexual harassment  " argument, or are my eyes just glazing over?
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May 21, 2014 23:04
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I forgive Horsey because of his great art
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May 21, 2014 23:06
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JaggerMcDagger posted:It returns! Yes what a conundrum Winston faces: either being thought of as a faggy fag, or facing "sex-har" charges. Jesus, I can't believe how much Rall projects his insecurities in this. Alacron posted:Is Rall really going for a "i can't hit on hot girls cuz i'll get charged with sexual harassment The true core of Rall's dystopia. Who will give him despondent blowjobs in 2024? This haunts him.
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May 21, 2014 23:06
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JaggerMcDagger posted:It returns! And so do I! The first page is Rall's first bit of almost-caption-free storytelling. WebTV woman tells us that two companies are merging and laying off a bunch of staff; one of those staff members calls Winston. Winston shuts him down, because he'll die soon. Our main character, ladies and gentlemen. Companies have the power to basically fire anyone for any reason forever, and once fired, no-one can survive for long. Once you're fired, your money is gone as well. Kind of a company scrip thing. And socially, once you're fired, you're an un-person. It's genuinely creepy. Dark-haired riot lady looks at Dark-haried riot lady is apparently a geek, and therefore has superpowers in this world. These pages are significantly less objectionable than previous ones. Apart from the usual "Winston is an evil poo poo" stuff that you're probably all tired of hearing, these pages have some actual world development that reveals the world to be a real dystopia. I don't know why Rall didn't start with this, because this is probably the strongest part of the story so far. Alacron posted:Is Rall really going for a "i can't hit on hot girls cuz i'll get charged with sexual harassment Worse. "I must be gay because I can't summon up the will to hit on hot girls because  SEXUAL HARASSMENT "Although, remember, Winston did fantasize about raping gay people to death for the crime of being not normal. e: double negative 
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May 21, 2014 23:10
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JaggerMcDagger posted:It returns! So, wait, he "never wasted time or energy" on people about to die, but then on the next page he's thinking about them? How does that work?
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May 21, 2014 23:15
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Somfin posted:These pages are significantly less unobjectionable than previous ones. Apart from the usual "Winston is an evil poo poo" stuff that you're probably all tired of hearing, these pages have some actual world development that reveals the world to be a real dystopia. I don't know why Rall didn't start with this, because this is probably the strongest part of the story so far. Probably because he did this in one draft, then just said "gently caress it" and published it. quote:Worse. "I must be gay because I can't summon up the will to hit on hot girls because God dammit I hate Rall 
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May 21, 2014 23:15
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Dolash posted:Horsey always struck me as a great window into the average American liberal Democrat voter. ... Hmm.
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May 21, 2014 23:34
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ladyboy pancake posted:
When I first glanced at this comic I thought it was subtle and nuanced and the guy to the left was seeing the cop as a fat, unattractive evil cop, and the cop was confirming his fears by fantasizing of HIMSELF as an attractive gun-toting macho hero. So both man and cop saw the cop as violent and ready to attack, but the cops version was obviously fetishized as a sort of aesthetically suave movie star corrupt cop instead of a "pig".
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May 21, 2014 23:46
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crowoutofcontext posted:When I first glanced at this comic I thought it was subtle and nuanced and the guy to the left was seeing the cop as a fat, unattractive evil cop, and the cop was confirming his fears by fantasizing of HIMSELF as an attractive gun-toting macho hero. So both man and cop saw the cop as violent and ready to attack, but the cops version was obviously fetishized as a sort of aesthetically suave movie star corrupt cop instead of a "pig". Yeah, the little baggie of white powder isn't really emphasized as much as it probably needed to be.
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May 22, 2014 00:18
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JaggerMcDagger posted:It returns! Send it away! Was his source material a Cliff's Notes with some bizarre printing error that mixed pages at random between 1984 and Brave New World? Oh and 
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May 22, 2014 00:33
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JaggerMcDagger posted:It returns! Gotta love how the narrator text box is the one calling the woman a "dark-haired bitch". Nice way to project yourself into the comic, Rall.
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May 22, 2014 01:09
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Oh Allie. Why do you waste your talents on such lame talking points   for reference: 
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May 22, 2014 01:21
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Walking home today, I passed by the actual Argentine embassy and started chuckling to myself about Muir's loopy fuckin' plotlines. I'm glad nobody asked what I was laughing about, because imagine trying to explain Muir.
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May 22, 2014 01:21
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May 22, 2014 01:22
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Oh like you had an inkling beforehand, Ramirez. Well I mean I had an inkling that the VA is woefully underfunded to provide the poo poo vets need, particularly on the psychiatric side, but you know. e: new page so I'll quote the cartoon I guess. dear apple pie hubbub please stop posting blocks of cartoons at the end of pages.
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