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Bogan Krkic posted:MLS may have lifted the US team to a passable level, but I think it's a bit presumptuous to say that has then lifted the entire confederation. Yes it has. Not Mexico, but Central America and the Caribbean are much better than they used to be and I would directly attribute that to MLS's influence. And if Canada's FA wasn't such a shambles, they'd be showing improvement too.
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Mr. Mambold posted:- and the 1950 Joe Gaetjens (ironically, from Haiti) goal to beat, um, world power England 1-0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4ESTvxyqsI That was #3. Baldo di Gregorio posted:Let me say I dread the birth of NYCFC next season and the nightmare hybrid Yankee/MLS/Italy supporters it is going to spawn Agreed, although it sounds like they're gonna get David Villa, which is kind of cool even if he's well past his prime. Real Name Grover fucked around with this message at 00:18 on May 30, 2014 |
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Baldo di Gregorio posted:Let me say I dread the birth of NYCFC next season and the nightmare hybrid Yankee/MLS/Italy supporters it is going to spawn You could always support the Cosmos.
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Real Name Grover posted:That was #3. Probably because no one in the U.S. was aware of it or cared besides the team. People reading it in England thought it was a joke or a misprint.
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Suqit posted:You could always support the Cosmos. I could but I wouldn't send Hitler to Long Island to watch a football match
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Baldo di Gregorio posted:Let me say I dread the birth of NYCFC next season and the nightmare hybrid Yankee/MLS/Italy supporters it is going to spawn Fuhgeddaboutit Finn, it's going to be appalling.
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:Yes it has. Not Mexico, but Central America and the Caribbean are much better than they used to be and I would directly attribute that to MLS's influence. And if Canada's FA wasn't such a shambles, they'd be showing improvement too. Can you show your working as to how a better league in America contributes to every other North and Central American teams improving?
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:Central America and the Caribbean are much better than they used to be and I would directly attribute that to MLS's influence I'm curious about your arguments regarding this, can you elaborate?
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Drogadon posted:I'm curious about your arguments regarding this, can you elaborate? Just look at how many times a US team has won the CONCACAF Champions League compared to, I don't know, Costa Rica?
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Its weird that Costa Rica made it out of there group before MLS existed, allegedly
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vaginal culture posted:Its weird that Costa Rica made it out of there group before MLS existed, allegedly Was this before Carlos Hernandez was fat and was still the best player in the world?
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Bogan Krkic posted:Can you show your working as to how a better league in America contributes to every other North and Central American teams improving? Drogadon posted:I'm curious about your arguments regarding this, can you elaborate? My guess would be the league offers a place for a whole lot of North and Central Americans to play professional soccer, and if MLS and others leagues weren't there, it would mean fewer of those players getting a chance to play professionally and thereby bringing the level of soccer up for the entire region.
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Suqit posted:My guess would be the league offers a place for a whole lot of North and Central Americans to play professional soccer, and if MLS and others leagues weren't there, it would mean fewer of those players getting a chance to play professionally and thereby bringing the level of soccer up for the entire region. This would be true if literally every country other than the US didn't already have a professional league before MLS.
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Shrapnig posted:This would be true if literally every country other than the US didn't already have a professional league before MLS. And if those countries like Mexico didn't have professional leagues either.
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Bogan Krkic posted:And if those countries like Mexico didn't have professional leagues either. Imagine if Hugo Sanchez had the opportunity to play in MLS before he was 40, what a player he could have been.
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I hope they all get hit by a bus, or train, something heavy anyway(Jozy).
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Shrapnig posted:This would be true if literally every country other than the US didn't already have a professional league before MLS. Bogan Krkic posted:And if those countries like Mexico didn't have professional leagues either. There are still more teams which means more spots for more players to play professionally. Lots of North and Central American internationals play in MLS, so I would guess the existence of the league helps their overall soccer level.
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Shrapnig posted:This would be true if literally every country other than the US didn't already have a professional league before MLS. We actually pay our players though Not much, but you know, they get their checks.
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http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?forums/nycfc-songs-chants.28/
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Suqit posted:There are still more teams which means more spots for more players to play professionally. Lots of North and Central American internationals play in MLS, so I would guess the existence of the league helps their overall soccer level. Or we're marginalizing the talent of the whole confederation by allowing players who would otherwise be playing for some team in their domestic league greater exposure and therefore having them get picked for their national teams because they're playing in a "bigger" league.
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Suqit posted:There are still more teams which means more spots for more players to play professionally. Lots of North and Central American internationals play in MLS, so I would guess the existence of the league helps their overall soccer level. Yeah, but like Tom and Shrapnac were saying earlier, there are now too many teams and spots, which is diluting the talent pool and decreasing the level of play that these new international players are competing in. Its fair enough to say that more professional leagues will aid the development of players in them, but I hardly think that replacing the NASL with the MLS made a noticeable difference to the standard of play throughout the continent.
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Before MLS existed, Central American clubs won the CONCACAF cup all the time, nowadays that's unheard of. The way I see it MLS has had a part in making the other local leagues worse by giving players who couldn't quite make the jump to Europe a place to make more money, keeping only the really young and the poo poo in the local leagues. This is an interesting topic that I hadn't thought about before.
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Bottle of red, bottle of white, Gonna lose to Vancouver tonight.
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Drogadon posted:I'm curious about your arguments regarding this, can you elaborate? We, as a league, have been really good at getting not the top talent of each team in our region, but finding and developing the middle to back ends of the rosters. So we're not going to do anything for the Bryan Ruiz/Wilson Palacios/Dwight Yorke's of CONCACAF, but guys like Roger Espinosa, Cienfuegos, Marco Pappa, and half of the Jamaican national team from the last 10 years we are going to provide a place for them to play and develop. By making the #5-11 guys better, it has eased the massive drop-off in talent most of our confederation has, or rather it moved the drop-off from 1-4 and everyone else to 1-8 and everyone else. Our qualifying is way more competitive than it used to be and I really feel that it's not so much Mexico and the US getting worse, but the rest of CONCACAF has just gotten better because more of their players are playing in better leagues. And I believe MLS is a better league than all but Mexico in our region. B.B. Rodriguez fucked around with this message at 00:45 on May 30, 2014 |
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Things aren't perfect and there's of course room for improvement, but you have to start somewhere. It will get better.
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Chris de Sperg posted:I'm the guy on the far-right. They all look italian, so im pretty sure they are all on the far right mate
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Suqit posted:Things aren't perfect and there's of course room for improvement, but you have to start somewhere. It will get better. This quote can go for literally everything about the sport in the US, but some people just want to poo poo on everything instead.
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Hello Towel posted:This quote can go for literally everything about the sport in the US, but some people just want to poo poo on everything instead. As long as we continue believing, we've already won.
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It's not so much making GBS threads on everything but rather saying that football development in CONCACAF is probably not solely attributable or even at all attributable to AMERICA AMERICA AMARICA MLS WORLD LEADERS SAVING GRACE OF HUMANITY
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Bogan Krkic posted:It's not so much making GBS threads on everything but rather saying that football development in CONCACAF is probably not solely attributable or even at all attributable to AMERICA AMERICA AMARICA MLS WORLD LEADERS SAVING GRACE OF HUMANITY To say it's not attributable it all is pretty silly.
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Suqit posted:To say it's not attributable it all is pretty silly. I don't really know much about the NASL, but is MLS really that much better?
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Chris de Sperg posted:I'm the guy on the far-right. Well you are at oxford
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Bogan Krkic posted:I don't really know much about the NASL, but is MLS really that much better? Yup.
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Bogan Krkic posted:I don't really know much about the NASL, but is MLS really that much better? It's better to some degree than the other non Mexico leagues in CONCACAF which allows a few guys (or in Jamaica's case half a team) a place to develop that is better than their own local league. At the very least, Jamaica and a few other central American countries have been positively impacted by MLS
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Bogan Krkic posted:I don't really know much about the NASL, but is MLS really that much better? MLS to old NASL? I think in the end it's apples to oranges because the leagues are/were structured in different ways.
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