|
Uh excuse me the only correct title is 紫色のクオリア and I'd certainly hope no-one would use a different one.
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 00:00
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 03:22 |
|
|
SwissArmyDruid posted:I need to get this straight. Is "Murasakiiro no Qualia" The Qualia of Purple? Because now knowing that Qualia is a philosophical concept and not an anime-style name fucks with what I knew the title to be. from wikipedia: "an unfamiliar term for something that could not be more familiar to each of us: the ways things seem to us." so murasakiiro ~= purple-colored The purple colored way things seem to us? Referring to what(robutts) Marii sees (through her purple eyes) she sees the things we know as familiar in a very unfamiliar way. And what do what kind of unfamiliar craziness do we know about in this manga through Marii's eyes? Gaku Pyronic fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jun 8, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 00:03
|
|
|
It's probably referring to the Mary's Room thought experiment:quote:Mary is a brilliant scientist who is, for whatever reason, forced to investigate the world from a black and white room via a black and white television monitor. She specializes in the neurophysiology of vision and acquires, let us suppose, all the physical information there is to obtain about what goes on when we see ripe tomatoes, or the sky, and use terms like ‘red’, ‘blue’, and so on. She discovers, for example, just which wavelength combinations from the sky stimulate the retina, and exactly how this produces via the central nervous system the contraction of the vocal cords and expulsion of air from the lungs that results in the uttering of the sentence ‘The sky is blue’. [...] What will happen when Mary is released from her black and white room or is given a color television monitor? Will she learn anything or not? The qualia of purple (or any other colour) would be the new thing she experiences after seeing colours for the first time, that she wasn't able to know about just from studying.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 00:08
|
|
|
Fun note: If you take a look back, the founder's names forming J.A.U.N.T. was mentioned back in chapter 11. http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Qualia-the-Purple/Ch-008--Episode-008?id=168491
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 01:23
|
|
|
 Holy poo poo Gaku.I'm not even confident that even The Doctor could stop Gaku now and he once walked a reality where the laws of physics were created by a madman.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 06:05
|
|
|
Raenir Salazar posted:
I'm pretty sure it's literally impossible to stop Gaku. Gaku couldn't stop Gaku at this point, even if she wanted to. It is in no way a joke or understatement to call her a god.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 06:33
|
|
|
Isn't it possible to accidentally stumble on a universe where there are other people with her powers?
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 06:38
|
|
|
If there truly are infinitely many Gakus, shouldn't they have already solved the problem? Consider, that if given an infinite set of universes where every possible possibility is explored, thanks to the wacky nature of infinity*, there should be an infinitely large subset of universes in which Gaku found a way to save her friend. It should have been a simple matter, then, to choose at least one of these universes. EDIT: *For example: Take the set of all natural numbers, N. This is, of course, infinitely large. The subset of all even numbers is a subset of N. However, this subset is nonetheless equally large an infinity as N. EDIT2: And I guess I understand the trivial reason for this -- obviously there'd be no story, otherwise! DrSunshine fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Jun 8, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 06:50
|
|
|
pandaK posted:Isn't it possible to accidentally stumble on a universe where there are other people with her powers? You really think Gaku would allow it? Girl's gone off the deep end  And here's a link to the forum where the tranlsation popped up: http://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/1897-qualia-the-purple-discussion?page=2
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 06:52
|
|
|
EDIT: Quote is not edit!!
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 06:57
|
|
|
I just got caught up today so this insight is a chapter behind, but wwoww was it incredibly dark that Gaku started feeling affectionate for Alice in the same way she felt for Yukari, and then immediately takes it back and repeatedly murders Alice in every way imaginable to instead protect Yukari. It frames Gaku's whole determination as an obsession for obsession's sake. I can imagine this narrative ending with Yukari finding out that Gaku's killed a potentially infinite number of innocent people trying to protect her and Yukari wishing to die in their stead. Even if Gaku can save her, it's pretty clearly going to be under conditions nobody in their right minds would hope for.
snucks fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jun 8, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 07:01
|
|
|
^^^^ Weel, it wasn't quite a love then horribly murder thing for Alice. In some timelines she brutally abused and killed her, in some she didn't really have much to do with her, and in some she loved her. Also yeah, there's no way that the sum consciousness of Gakus hasn't completely lost her original reason for her actions. Hell, she straight up executed the versions of her that even considered alternatives. She's definitely no longer human, in every sense of that word.DrSunshine posted:If there truly are infinitely many Gakus, shouldn't they have already solved the problem? Consider, that if given an infinite set of universes where every possible possibility is explored, thanks to the wacky nature of infinity*, there should be an infinitely large subset of universes in which Gaku found a way to save her friend. It should have been a simple matter, then, to choose at least one of these universes. But Gaku seems to only be searching for the universes in which some action she takes directly saves Yukari, and they all failed. Since she's focused on saving Yukari herself, Gaku likely isn't considering possibilities where Yukari never meets her and perhaps lives normally. The irony of the situation may be that Gaku's interference always leads to the outcome of Yukari dying, and the only resolution might be never having met her. But she cannot even consider that, because it invalidates her actions and arguably her reason for existing at this point. Of course, that's assuming that we can't take at face value her claim that she searched literally all possible universes and Yukari dies in literally all of them. chumbler fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jun 8, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 07:06
|
|
|
Would it not be better to say that she searched all possible realities that she could conceive of? She wasn't able to gain these latest powers until she was able to imagine that it could be possible and seek it out. So any other equally outrageous reality or maybe even more outrageous (like just leaving Yukari alone would clearly be to her at this point) is something she cannot find.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 07:28
|
|
|
Does anyone here have any connection to publishers like Dark Horse or Viz or some other? Maybe tip them off? I know it's risky to publish a short manga from a relatively unknown author, but it happens from time to time and Qualia definitely deserves it more than some generic shoujo/shonen series #19384693. I'd buy 10 copies.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 09:12
|
|
|
Laputanmachine posted:Does anyone here have any connection to publishers like Dark Horse or Viz or some other? Maybe tip them off? I know it's risky to publish a short manga from a relatively unknown author, but it happens from time to time and Qualia definitely deserves it more than some generic shoujo/shonen series #19384693. I don't know, the combination of a small/short manga from an unknown author combined with such a difficult translation, compared to normal (walls of text, and translating complicated theories about the universe, basically all the problems/reasons that it was dropped originally from fan translators), has me very skeptical that it would be picked up by a traditional publishing/translating company. Keep in mind that this isn't the year 2000: today manga is significantly more accepted in the west, and they have a TON of options to choose for in licensing. They could pick up the Qualia rights for next to nothing, I'm sure, but they could also pay slightly more for a bigger name that has a proven track record of selling, or at least more name recognition, and thus they'll just go with the safer bet. Along with the issues I just brought up, Qualia also changes its genre/focus partway through (keep in mind Gaku doesn't even get a call from herself until the end of chapter 8), and is clearly marketed and written for a very adult/mature reader, and neither of those things are going to be attractive to publishers. I guess what I'm saying is there's a universe where a publisher picks up Qualia, but Gaku would have to hop around a lot to find it, I think.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 10:48
|
|
|
NowonSA posted:I don't know, the combination of a small/short manga from an unknown author combined with such a difficult translation, compared to normal (walls of text, and translating complicated theories about the universe, basically all the problems/reasons that it was dropped originally from fan translators), has me very skeptical that it would be picked up by a traditional publishing/translating company. Keep in mind that this isn't the year 2000: today manga is significantly more accepted in the west, and they have a TON of options to choose for in licensing. They could pick up the Qualia rights for next to nothing, I'm sure, but they could also pay slightly more for a bigger name that has a proven track record of selling, or at least more name recognition, and thus they'll just go with the safer bet. Viz has several brands for different styles of manga, and there are many series that are either off-beat or definitely targeted for older readers, without being straight-up porn. I'd say Qualia would fit pretty well in Viz Signature for example. Dark Horse also used to have a very extensive lineup with some more obscure series as well and they also did good job of translating Shirow's technojargon in the back pages of Ghost in the Shell, Orion and Dominion back in the day. I also liked their job on Eden It's an Endless World, which has its own share of quantum mechanics and other modern physics, so they would have the skills for it. As I asked, if someone had a connection to some old hand in the industry, it wouldn't hurt to at least let them know about Qualia.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 11:25
|
|
|
DrSunshine posted:If there truly are infinitely many Gakus, shouldn't they have already solved the problem? Consider, that if given an infinite set of universes where every possible possibility is explored, thanks to the wacky nature of infinity*, there should be an infinitely large subset of universes in which Gaku found a way to save her friend. It should have been a simple matter, then, to choose at least one of these universes. I don't think there's literally infinite (usable) parallel universes. Disregarding the fact that the majority of matter on earth is already decoherent and shouldn't realistically exhibit quantum effects, there's a finite amount of particles and a finite amount of states they can be in. Sure, if the universe is infinite there could be infinite amount of different states, but a whole bunch of them (in fact: infinitely many) would be useless - it wouldn't be much of a help to find a parallel universe where Gaku or Yukari has suddenly quantum tunneled herself to outer space. Or all of her atoms suddenly going through radioactive decay. I don't actually know how multiple-worlds interpretation handles probabilities, but, now that I think of it, the "useless" worlds can be sort of handwaved: in parallel universes where Gaku dies to something silly, she can't pick up the call.  My real issue is that if there are, for whatever reason, infinitely many parallel worlds Gaku can search, and there's finitely many parallel worlds where Yukari survives, we can be almost certain (= the probability is 0) that she will never find a world where Yukari survives.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 13:26
|
|
|
Things continue to be dark:  
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 15:19
|
|
|
Alice's face on the top of the second page there would make a great avatar. Not sure what the best text would be though.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 15:57
|
|
|
No way this version of events will turn out less hosed up than before. I wonder how screwed up Alice will be because of this. E: and thanks for doing this, kind goon. 
Mindblast fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jun 8, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 16:36
|
|
|
AfroSquirrel posted:Alice's face on the top of the second page there would make a great avatar. Not sure what the best text would be though. Depends on what you're going for, if its something to do with ones posting style you can be meta and use the text: "You may look upon my posting with hatred but, I will still be satisfied."
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 16:38
|
|
|
Ottumon posted:I don't think there's literally infinite (usable) parallel universes. Disregarding the fact that the majority of matter on earth is already decoherent and shouldn't realistically exhibit quantum effects, there's a finite amount of particles and a finite amount of states they can be in. Sure, if the universe is infinite there could be infinite amount of different states, but a whole bunch of them (in fact: infinitely many) would be useless - it wouldn't be much of a help to find a parallel universe where Gaku or Yukari has suddenly quantum tunneled herself to outer space. Or all of her atoms suddenly going through radioactive decay. Here's the thing though, if the universe is infinite (or there's an infinite number of parallel finite universes) then there's an infinite number of worlds where Yukari survives and an infinite number where she dies and an infinite number where Gaku is a pigeon and Yukari is a giraffe. Not only that, but while there would be useless worlds (like pigeon-Gaku/giraffe-Yukari) in infinite supply, there would also be an infinite supply of useful worlds. For a given value of "useful" anyway. From what I understand of the concept of infinity, once you introduce it into the discussion the concept of "finite" ceases to have any real meaning. Because infinity hates you and everything you've ever loved, personally and infinitely.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 16:46
|
|
|
Goddamit Gaku, you just made Alice your own worst enemy. 5 year old logic at its finest, good intentions but TERRIBLE execution. And for the idea of suggesting Qualia to be picked up, you could tray with Seven Seas Entertainment http://sevenseasentertainment.tumblr.com/ask They've picked a lot of weird series and always respond to questions and suggestions, they're pretty good.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 16:50
|
|
|
RyuujinBlueZ posted:Here's the thing though, if the universe is infinite (or there's an infinite number of parallel finite universes) then there's an infinite number of worlds where Yukari survives and an infinite number where she dies and an infinite number where Gaku is a pigeon and Yukari is a giraffe. Not only that, but while there would be useless worlds (like pigeon-Gaku/giraffe-Yukari) in infinite supply, there would also be an infinite supply of useful worlds. For a given value of "useful" anyway. Not necessarily. While there are infinite positive integers out there, there aren't infinite positive integers lower than 3, for example. There are, well, two.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 16:57
|
|
|
Exercu posted:Not necessarily. While there are infinite positive integers out there, there aren't infinite positive integers lower than 3, for example. There are, well, two. Actually there are, if I've had it explained to me right in the past. Even just between 1 and 2 there's an infinite number of positive integers. 1.1, 1.12, 1.13, etc forever and always until you bleed out your eyeballs.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 17:05
|
|
|
RyuujinBlueZ posted:Actually there are, if I've had it explained to me right in the past. Even just between 1 and 2 there's an infinite number of positive integers. 1.1, 1.12, 1.13, etc forever and always until you bleed out your eyeballs. Those are by definition not integers, though.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 17:11
|
|
|
e: Goddamnit!! ^^^^^^ RyuujinBlueZ posted:Actually there are, if I've had it explained to me right in the past. Even just between 1 and 2 there's an infinite number of positive integers. 1.1, 1.12, 1.13, etc forever and always until you bleed out your eyeballs. By definition a Real number is not an Integer. 
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 17:11
|
|
|
RyuujinBlueZ posted:Actually there are, if I've had it explained to me right in the past. Even just between 1 and 2 there's an infinite number of positive integers. 1.1, 1.12, 1.13, etc forever and always until you bleed out your eyeballs. Decimal numbers are not integers. It's true that there's an infinite number of both rational and irrational numbers between 1 and 2. For the rational ones it's trivial to prove. (Easier to do with 0 and 1, so that's what I'll do) 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5... As the divisor consists only of the whole positive integers, and we know that those are infinite, there must be infinite rational numbers between 0 and 1. Edit: welp, math attack
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 17:11
|
|
|
RyuujinBlueZ posted:Actually there are, if I've had it explained to me right in the past. Even just between 1 and 2 there's an infinite number of positive integers. 1.1, 1.12, 1.13, etc forever and always until you bleed out your eyeballs. 1.12, 1.13, etc. aren't integers, they're real numbers. The set of all integers has the same cardinality as the set of all real numbers if I remember my math theory correctly, but the set of positive integers less than 3 is finite. e: Thoroughly beaten.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 17:12
|
|
|
Damnit, you all caught me. And I almost got away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids and your drat math too!
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 17:15
|
|
|
Haha, wow, at least three or four people answered semi-simultaneously! Anyway, the answer here is that, clearly, there cannot be an infinite number of Gakus. There however can be an arbitrarily large number of her. That is to say, whenever she needs a new self to try another path, she can simply choose that one. This would mean that the number of universes she can investigate is unlimited, but not truly infinite. See: http://www.xamuel.com/arbitrary-and-infinity/
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 17:15
|
|
|
She mentioned it way back when; that in order to reach the universe where Yukari survives, she has to find it first... hence her going through all sorts of increasingly shady methods to find it.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 17:27
|
|
|
DrSunshine posted:Haha, wow, at least three or four people answered semi-simultaneously! That ultimately depends on whether or not there are a truly infinite number of almost-identical universes that Gaku is randomly selecting between when she jumps to a specific path. It doesn't matter to Gaku what the position of every unobserved electron in the universe is, but according to the many-worlds interpretation, there is a separate universe for each possible configuration, even if they are essentially identical at a macroscopic scale. If this is the case, then there actually could be an infinite number of Gakus.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 17:28
|
|
|
Raenir Salazar posted:I think part of Manabu's problem is that no matter how many skills she accumulates every time she restarts its always as a 16 year old Japanese highschool student with no assets, she needs to cheat at the lottery once or twice and maybe stockpile equipment. Look at this handsome fellow, he's beautiful.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 17:38
|
|
|
RyuujinBlueZ posted:Here's the thing though, if the universe is infinite (or there's an infinite number of parallel finite universes) then there's an infinite number of worlds where Yukari survives and an infinite number where she dies and an infinite number where Gaku is a pigeon and Yukari is a giraffe. Not only that, but while there would be useless worlds (like pigeon-Gaku/giraffe-Yukari) in infinite supply, there would also be an infinite supply of useful worlds. For a given value of "useful" anyway. I don't immediately see any reason why having infinite parallel universes would imply there's infinitely many ones where A occurs. Basically I'm arguing that I'm arguing that a closed system of finite volume and particles (ie. Earth) cannot contain infinitely many quantum states because of fundamental properties of our universe (uncertainty principle). From uncertainty principle you can derive, for example, Planck length which is the shortest possible measurable length - any two distances shorter than it are indistinguishable from each other. Similarly you can derive Planck volume, and then calculate how many discrete places you can fit in Earth's volume. The number will be ridiculously large, but not infinite. Then you can take the amount of particles in the system and calculate the amount of all the possible positions the particles could take, and you'd again arrive in an even more humongous number, which is still not infinite. (or I'm forgetting something important) A mathematical comparison could be made for the classic dartboard case with a finite surface area. There's infinitely many points on the surface, and in fact any given area on it has infinitely many points. The probability of a dart hitting a given point is always 0, but for any area the probability of the dart hitting somewhere on it is easily calculated. But on a more  realistic note, you can calculate the maximum data density of a volume the size of Gaku's head, make some optimistic assumptions about the amount of data each clone syncs with, and figure out how many attempts she has before her head collapses into a black hole. Certainly not infinitely many.  On the other hand this way overthinking it.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 17:39
|
|
|
Gaku used magic to increase her data capability, then she used techno-alchemy to create infinite integers below 3, and used her stand to beat Goku.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 20:41
|
|
|
Qualia the Purple: Math Discussion. I like that image of her staff on top of a cliff there. She really does think she's just done something heroic.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 23:30
|
|
|
The other shoe is going to drop so hard.
|
|
#
?
Jun 8, 2014 23:31
|
|
|
Gaku as an adult after gaining magic powers and committing mass murder is going to be interesting.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2014 00:26
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 03:22 |
|
|
As fast as you're putting these pages out of your own good will, they just can't come fast enough.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2014 02:53
|
|