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Just got through the first series of this since it popped up on Netflix recently. Pretty dire stuff overall. The first episode showed a ton of potential but it was drowned in watery, cheesy sugar by the midpoint. The last few episodes had some good stuff in them, but the entire mid-section of the finale/conclusion to the story was nothing you wouldn't see in a Dreamworks cartoon about a haunted house. It's like the show went out of the way to get less hosed up, less gory, less scary and less interesting as it went on. Surprised it got a second, third or fourth season to be honest. Is it safe to assume that I wont like Asylum if I didn't like Murder House?
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Asylum is a huge departure from the other seasons and is regarded by many (myself included) as the best of the lot. It's certainly worth checking out a few episodes. I even go so far as to recommend people watch Season 2 first before Murder House, as you're not missing anything and are diving head first into the amazing.
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Apr 3, 2014 00:14
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Yeah, Murder House was slow going for me, it even put me off when I watched the first episode way back when. I waited another five or so months before trying it again, but after the second episode I was interested and ate up the rest of it. Season 2 was pure fantastic, once I got over the idea of the same actors doing different roles. I hadn't realized this was that type of show and was horribly confused for about 10 minutes.
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Steve2911 posted:Just got through the first series of this since it popped up on Netflix recently. Pretty dire stuff overall. The first episode showed a ton of potential but it was drowned in watery, cheesy sugar by the midpoint. The last few episodes had some good stuff in them, but the entire mid-section of the finale/conclusion to the story was nothing you wouldn't see in a Dreamworks cartoon about a haunted house. It's like the show went out of the way to get less hosed up, less gory, less scary and less interesting as it went on. To give you some more perspective, I think I watched the first few episodes of Murder House when it first aired, and got bored by it for the same reasons. I ended up watching Asylum for the hell of it, and loved every minute of it. There is some campy poo poo thrown into season 2, but at no point did I think it was too much, and I thought it was part of the charm of Asylum. I gave Murder House the benefit of the doubt given how good Asylum was and re-watched it, and I enjoyed it more than I did initially. Coven, however, is mostly trash in my opinion.
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Apr 3, 2014 02:30
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I really don't know how anyone could count Coven as part of the AHS series besides the fact that some people were also involved, and the words that float around in front of the word 'Coven." I was so very spoiled to have seen Asylum first, that was my exposure to it all. Nothing can match up to it.
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Paradox Personified posted:I really don't know how anyone could count Coven as part of the AHS series besides the fact that some people were also involved, and the words that float around in front of the word 'Coven." True Detective was a real american horror story. Also, Asylum was goddamn fantastic. Even the aliens and spanking satanic nuns. Everything about that season was fantastic and wonderful. Jesus Christ, Spock's character was horrific. Drifter fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Apr 3, 2014 04:19
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Drifter posted:True Detective was a real american horror story. YES!! True Detective is what season 3 of AHS should have been
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Apr 3, 2014 04:57
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hangedman1984 posted:YES!! True Detective is what season 3 of AHS should have been God it was such a good show.
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Apr 3, 2014 06:30
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TD and asylum are probably my 2 favorite seasons of television ever.
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Apr 3, 2014 13:51
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Sarah Paulson playing a two headed conjoined twin on Freakshow.
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All I can say is thank God they have a format that will allow them to throw out ALL of Coven and start over. Usually if a TV show goes really wrong during a season, it's stuck in a position to have to either repair or retcon it, and neither solution is very good. At least AHS can go "woops!" and just ignore it ever happened. If I thought that the Coven plotline was going to drag on to another season I can tell you, I'd jump ship so fast. On the upside, though, Coven has finally given Heroes Season 3 a run for it's money in terms of incoherency and stupidity, and now I finally have a second show to mention in discussions of the most incompetently handled TV ever.
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Jun 12, 2014 23:22
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jscolon2.0 posted:Sarah Paulson playing a two headed conjoined twin on Freakshow.   Their names are Bette and Dot and I have no idea how they plan to accomplish the vfx on a TV budget. As before, new thread when they release video.
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haveblue posted:
TV can be really weird about this. The face-replacing effects for Orphan Black were seamless and that was on a B-list cable network, while at the same time season 4 of Arrested Development was Netflix's big push into original programming and the effects for George Sr. and Oscar being in the same scene were awful.
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haveblue posted:
Possibly by either having one twin die to be replaced by a Sarah Paulson prosthetic, or get cut off early or midway through the season.
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Jun 13, 2014 16:50
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haveblue posted:
Ugh this season is going to be terrible. I just know it.
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Jun 13, 2014 17:18
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I really loved both Murder House and Asylum, so I will be giving this show another chance after last seasons debacle. Another poo poo-show like that and I'm done though.
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haveblue posted:Their names are Bette and Dot and I have no idea how they plan to accomplish the vfx on a TV budget.  Also Doltos posted:Ugh this season is going to be terrible. I just know it.
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I'm Bad Lana... and you're Good Lana! A five-minute gag in an intentionally cheesy horror-comedy film is a totally different animal from a major character in a 13-episode TV show, though. On the other hand, I think Coven got good ratings even though we and all the critics ended up hating it so maybe budget isn't a problem.
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Jun 13, 2014 17:34
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Do not ever call Army of Darkness intentionally cheesy. It is a masterpiece.
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Jun 13, 2014 17:39
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I'm very willing to give this season the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully Coven was just some terrible fever dream of a mistake and they can pull it together.
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Doltos posted:Do not ever call Army of Darkness intentionally cheesy. It is a masterpiece.
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Jun 13, 2014 18:52
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Basebf555 posted:I really loved both Murder House and Asylum, so I will be giving this show another chance after last seasons debacle. Another poo poo-show like that and I'm done though. I think that's how most of us feel. Thank goodness that Coven spin-off/sequel never came to fruition.
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OmegaBR posted:I think that's how most of us feel. The sad thing is most people who I talk to about this show loved Coven. I know my friends opinions on this show hardly match up to Neilsen ratings, but it feels like if anything America Horror Story's rating skyrocketed during its worst season, and people lapped it up.
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Jun 13, 2014 21:15
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haveblue posted:
Does anyone else think this looks really bad?
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AGirlWonder posted:Does anyone else think this looks really bad? gently caress yeah it's bad. She is NOT a summer. 
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Doltos posted:The sad thing is most people who I talk to about this show loved Coven. I know my friends opinions on this show hardly match up to Neilsen ratings, but it feels like if anything America Horror Story's rating skyrocketed during its worst season, and people lapped it up. Not to sound .... assumptive here, but Coven really kinda appealed to a certain demographic, and it wasn't necessarily the one they were aiming for with Murder House and Asylum. I definitely understand why ratings were strong. As a show, I wouldn't call it a failure. As a season of American Horror Story, I would. Honestly, the same thing kinda happened with Archer: Vice. There was a different tone, a different direction, and it just didn't work for what you like the show for in the first place.
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Jun 14, 2014 00:09
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Coven was just bland and generally disjointed. And like 45 minutes devoted to spiral shots with Stevie Nicks song-overs.
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OmegaBR posted:Not to sound .... assumptive here, but Coven really kinda appealed to a certain demographic, and it wasn't necessarily the one they were aiming for with Murder House and Asylum. I definitely understand why ratings were strong. It appealed to people who don't pay attention. And I liked Archer: Vice
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Doltos posted:The sad thing is most people who I talk to about this show loved Coven. Who the gently caress loved Coven? I suppose if you only say one or two random episodes, it might come across OK. But Coven has that wonderful extra something to piss you off: It likes to kick continuity in the teeth every loving chance it gets, and it makes scenes that would have been fine on their own (again, good acting and direction most of the time) just loving stupid as hell. Take the hunter massacre scene. It was actually a kind of neat scene, except it was the death of a random as hell plot thread with characters on every side of the fence doing pure what the gently caress, out of character bullshit. It really was the show in a microcosm, all style over substance - if it even had substance at all. You could seriously launch into a 10 minute "Everything wrong with this scene" Plinkett style rant, but again, you could do that about most every scene in the entire season. Seriously some of the sloppiest "pull it out your rear end" writing I've ever seen. Like half of the major characters and plot threads just ended out of the blue, for the most random possible reasons. It was really loving terrible. Take the whole Nan arc: Meets a boy with a deranged mother, becomes super powerful, thinks she could be the most powerful witch; cut to killing the boy outta nowhere because he knows about the BEE MURDER, then she abruptly gets JUMP-CUT into a bathtub drowning. ... they literally killed a main character, again, in a loving jump cut. ED: And Oh Yeah, also pissing me off: Characters forgetting they have powers every loving time they need them. On top of the above scene we have gems like a witch powerful enough to flip buses with a blink and mastered what, 6 out of 7 big spells... and she can't do more than squirm when a guy who's abilities (a guy she MIND CONTROLLED without effort not 15 minutes before) amount to "Pretty strong" held her down? What the gently caress, Coven. That'd be like Wolverine forgetting he has Goddamn claws. Don't even get me started on how badly they wasted Kathy Bates by just retconning the whole arc out of nowhere. What a mess. Not a single character or plot point ever amounted to a damned thing. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Jun 14, 2014 |
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Coven owned, womanhaters
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Blazing Ownager posted:Who the gently caress loved Coven? A shitload of people who don't post here or care about anything you mentioned, apparently.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Who the gently caress loved Coven? Coven was my favorite season because it was so fun to watch. 
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I felt tricked by Coven. I nominated it in the TVIV Annual "Best of" poll thing - and then it got awful.
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haveblue posted:A shitload of people who don't post here or care about anything you mentioned, apparently. And this is why I don't have high hopes for the upcoming season. If Coven did this well, they're probably going to follow that style, for lack of a better word, again.
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Chaotic Flame posted:And this is why I don't have high hopes for the upcoming season. If Coven did this well, they're probably going to follow that style, for lack of a better word, again. it's the same style as the first two seasons you idiot
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scary ghost dog posted:it's the same style as the first two seasons you idiot I mean bad writing, "funny," and campy you idiot.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Who the gently caress loved Coven? Coven was amazing if you view it as a series of awesome vignettes instead of a cohesive story or season.
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Chaotic Flame posted:I mean bad writing, "funny," and campy you idiot. ah yes the sincere, "unfunny" and well written first two seasons, in which Connie Britton eats a brain skraight up in the murder house, and a nazi doctor puts himself in an oven after lobotomizing Anne frank.
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scary ghost dog posted:ah yes the sincere, "unfunny" and well written first two seasons, in which Connie Britton eats a brain skraight up in the murder house, and a nazi doctor puts himself in an oven after lobotomizing Anne frank. There was a significant change in cohesiveness of plot which very dramatically affects the overall tone of the series. AHS 1 was pretty goofy, sure, but it all made sense, structurally. Same with 2. 3 was just a first draft of a High school creative writing story. The ideas were present and interesting, but the execution suffered immensely.
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scary ghost dog posted:ah yes the sincere, "unfunny" and well written first two seasons, in which Connie Britton eats a brain skraight up in the murder house, and a nazi doctor puts himself in an oven after lobotomizing Anne frank. "Weird/goofy things sometimes happen in Murder House/Asylum" is hardly on the same level as "a character dramatically influences the endings of several other characters' arcs, and isn't even so much as mentioned in passing as a Thing until the 10th episode out of 13".
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