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Synthesis is also the only end where jokers hat becomes sentient.
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Waltzing Along posted:Yeah. It's strange how people will argue for any other ending. Because Renegade.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:40
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SgtSteel91 posted:Unless we learn from this war and are more careful when approaching synthetics. It's not about being careful, it's that the end of the cycle means that the future organics have free will. If that results in inevitable extermination, so be it. It's the principle of the thing.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:42
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Police Automaton posted:Synthesis is also the only end where jokers hat becomes sentient. It is.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:42
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Captain Oblivious posted:Because the entire series, and especially Mass Effect 3, dwells extensively on the million (billion? I forget the exact timescale at work with the Leviathans and the Reapers) year old problem of "Synthetics and Organics literally can't stop loving each other over". You get rid of the Reapers, hooray, unless life as we know it is upgraded it'll just happen again when we foolishly construct the Harvesters and they don't really understand us either. The only long term problem in the mass effect universe is the reapers coming around and mulching everything up into a paste whenever they feel like it.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:42
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Waltzing Along posted:
If you can't beat 'em, merge with 'em. I would pay money to play an official game where this happens.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:42
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Has there been a game where you play as Bowser yet? Mario (Bowser) Party doesn't count.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:43
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I've never played this and want to get it but not for more than 10bux. It's not on steam so I never see it on sale. Where do I watch for this game?
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Jun 26, 2014 19:43
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redreader posted:I've never played this and want to get it but not for more than 10bux. It's not on steam so I never see it on sale. Where do I watch for this game? This meaning Mass Effect or ME3? If you mean the whole trilogy, it is worth much more than $10.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:44
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redreader posted:I've never played this and want to get it but not for more than 10bux. It's not on steam so I never see it on sale. Where do I watch for this game? Origin. I don't think they've heard of sales, though.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:44
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SgtSteel91 posted:Unless we learn from this war and are more careful when approaching synthetics. Bet the Leviathans thought they were careful too. And the Protheans, before they had to deal with crazy body snatcher synthetics. And however many other civilizations stretching back literally forever.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:44
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Waltzing Along posted:Has there been a game where you play as Bowser yet? Mario (Bowser) Party doesn't count. You control him during sections of Bowser's Inside Story.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:49
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Yep, I'm doubling down that we're difference and we aren't as stupid as those guys. We'll makes synthetics like Edi and the Geth, who have no want to destroy organics.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:49
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sassassin posted:The only long term problem in the mass effect universe is the reapers coming around and mulching everything up into a paste whenever they feel like it. Agreed the AI that tells you that organic and synthetic war is inevitable is also the same AI that went mad and built robots to slaughter billions of people so I don't think there's any reason to think it's incapable of error.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:50
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Honestly, I am not sure if it was bad writing or genius writing, but even in the parts where you were supposed to sympathize with the geth in ME3 I never felt sympathetic to them. From the moment on you meet Legion he's either lying to you or withholding the truth to some degree. That mission where you learn about the Geth's past just seems like a setup by Legion to manipulate you emotionally. At the end of that story arc, Legion straight up is willing to genocide all Quarians or even murdering you for not siding with the Geth. I never did like the Geth and even from the "best possible ending" with the Geth and the Quarians achieving peace, I always had the feeling the Geth could turn again on organics whenever it felt convenient to them.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:54
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The Quarians are shitheads and I like it when they get genocided and Tali jumps off a cliff, haha.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:55
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Police Automaton posted:Honestly, I am not sure if it was bad writing or genius writing, but even in the parts where you were supposed to sympathize with the geth in ME3 I never felt sympathetic to them. From the moment on you meet Legion he's either lying to you or withholding the truth to some degree. That mission where you learn about the Geth's past just seems like a setup by Legion to manipulate you emotionally. At the end of that story arc, Legion straight up is willing to genocide all Quarians or even murdering you for not siding with the Geth. I never did like the Geth and even from the "best possible ending" with the Geth and the Quarians achieving peace, I always had the feeling the Geth could turn again on organics whenever it felt convenient to them. It feels like that because it's exactly what they have done, repeatedly over the course of the 3 games. They flip sides at a moments notice. Blow em all up. Captain Oblivious posted:Bet the Leviathans thought they were careful too. Would you accept home security tips from the guy who has been breaking into your house once a week for the last 10 years? Bear in mind he will die if he can't keep breaking into your house, and you have a gun to his head and the police on the line. Your postbox explodes regardless of your choice.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:00
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The Ending makes it clear that Synthesis was written to be the best "magically fix everything" Bioware choice. The ending was also written by morons in a closed room for the express purpose of not getting any feedback. The part of the game that had actual editing says that Destroy is the best option though.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:00
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ME3. I already bought 1 twice (once at full price) and 2 when it came out for full price. So 3 is on origin/amazon only? it's currently 20bux but I want to know when it's on sale. Is there some kind of notifier?
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Jun 26, 2014 20:01
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Fag Boy Jim posted:The Quarians are shitheads and I like it when they get genocided and Tali jumps off a cliff, haha. loving hell, there's absolutely no parity to the situation come ME3. The Quarians are myopic, racist, kneejerk dickheads who decide that galactic invasion is the perfect time to provoke an isolationist and conflicted group into having no choice but to side with said galactic invaders. And they decided to make it an all-out assault, stitching guns onto their farming ships and sending them out into battle! It's not like they can whip up more of those when they're destroyed, these guys are completely isolated and needy, and if they gently caress poo poo up for themselves there are so many other refugees out there that their needs are going to get swamped in the mess.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:06
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sassassin posted:Origin. I don't think they've heard of sales, though. This is a pretty funny and relevant quote from two years ago, before Origin started having good sales with discounts as deep or deeper than Steam sales. e: I got ME3 PC Digital Deluxe version for ten bucks.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:08
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But what about the DLC, still full price and never on sale?
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Jun 26, 2014 20:11
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DrNutt posted:This is a pretty funny and relevant quote from two years ago, before Origin started having good sales with discounts as deep or deeper than Steam sales. I haven't used it in ages so thanks for the update, friend.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:13
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Mustang posted:But what about the DLC, still full price and never on sale? It's rare, but DLC has been on sale. Or, points or whatever the hell they make you purchase to buy the DLC. It ain't perfect or anything but it's the only service that even comes close to Steam or GOG in terms of sale values and having actual games you might want to play.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:18
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sassassin posted:
At this point you can either conclude that he is wrong and choose destroy, or that he is right and choose synthesis or control. Control being the wait-a-bit status quo solution. Honestly, I think the reapers are right. It's really the Von Neumann machine problem. AIs are so much better than organic life, thus on a cosmic scale, eventually, AIs will dominate. And then there would just be a cold, metal universe full of AIs and nothing else ever until the end of the universe. In the near infinite future of the universe, there will be near infinite numbers of civilisations. X% will create their own AI. X% of those would be hostile to organic life. X% of those would get very very good at killing. And X% would be much more thorough than the Reapers are. And yes, the game does not go into nearly enough detail about this. I mean, it would be a lot more persuasive if, for instance, the Reapers told you about cycles 2 to 57 which all ended in the creation of VN Beserkers, with cycle 57 culminating in 97.3% of planets in the galaxy transformed into grey goo death worlds until the Reapers intervened. Fangz fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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Jun 26, 2014 20:36
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Waltzing Along posted:Has there been a game where you play as Bowser yet? Mario (Bowser) Party doesn't count. Mario RPG had Bowser as a party member. sassassin posted:It feels like that because it's exactly what they have done, repeatedly over the course of the 3 games. They flip sides at a moments notice. Blow em all up. Even from the first moment you learn about the Geth war from Tali in ME1, you recognize that it's all the Quarians' fault and the Geth only ever wanted to survive.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:46
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My Q-Face posted:Mario RPG had Bowser as a party member. Also Super Paper Mario, and as I recall The Thousand-Year Door had between-chapter interludes where you played as him too. (At least I'm pretty sure that was TTYD.)
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Jun 26, 2014 20:57
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Fag Boy Jim posted:Agreed the AI that tells you that organic and synthetic war is inevitable is also the same AI that went mad and built robots to slaughter billions of people so I don't think there's any reason to think it's incapable of error. Yeah, I'm not taking the word of my newly revealed greatest enemy at face value. Kajeesus posted:The Ending makes it clear that Synthesis was written to be the best "magically fix everything" Bioware choice. The ending was also written by morons in a closed room for the express purpose of not getting any feedback. The part of the game that had actual editing says that Destroy is the best option though. It also ignores that this "inevitable" conflict is facilitated by the Reapers deliberately guiding everyone down the same path and brainwashing sentients to act as their foot soldiers and incite distrust whenever it's convenient. Not to mention the sheer, completely unnecessary cruelty they display in their genocides. Nothing could ever convince me that their "good intentions" were anywhere near enough to make their atrocities anything close to a grim necessity. The Starchild is full of it: malfunctioning at best, lying out its glowing rear end at worst.
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Jun 26, 2014 21:39
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Kajeesus posted:The Ending makes it clear that Synthesis was written to be the best "magically fix everything" Bioware choice. The ending was also written by morons in a closed room for the express purpose of not getting any feedback. The part of the game that had actual editing says that Destroy is the best option though. Really, the best option is the one that the writers apparently didn't even think about. Control > fly all the Reapers into stars.
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Jun 26, 2014 21:49
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Sucks the endings weren't on more equal footing. Synth shouldn't have needed the highest war asset score to achieve it, Destroy shouldn't have killed Geth&EDI, Control should have a Husk'd TIM shaking a raised fist at Shepard, and none of the endings should have Shepard die. Still bad for the lack of context and follow up (original endings) but at least no one would care about Synth except for people that always went with the compromise / make everyone happy route in the game. Do [good action], do [bad action], or [compromise] has pretty much been in every mission / quest for DA and ME games right? The one time to really make that shine and it just doesn't happen. Was thinking about Bioware game choices and for DA3 little snippets of info about you have to choose between mages or templars, no compromise supposedly. That's something I'd like to see more of in ME4. Be a dick or a hero but no hashing things out and letting everyone live.
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Jun 26, 2014 22:00
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Fag Boy Jim posted:The Quarians are shitheads and I like it when they get genocided and Tali jumps off a cliff, haha. same but for the geth
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Jun 26, 2014 22:05
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Lycus posted:Really, the best option is the one that the writers apparently didn't even think about. Control > fly all the Reapers into stars. How does one man control a Nation in one form? You'd take "control" and be swayed by a million voices and before you know it you're floating over the salarian homeworld vapourising anyone who looks like they're conducting genetic research (cause if you go the control root I'll bet you're some commie krogan sympathiser). You can't just kill the reaper ships and be rid of the reaper threat. They can build new ones. The geth carry their code, husks cover planets, artifacts hidden everywhere... Everything needs to go.
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Jun 26, 2014 22:10
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sassassin posted:How does one man control a Nation in one form? Shepard is no mere man! Or woman.
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Jun 26, 2014 22:13
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People that make a big deal about the Geth lying to Shepard forget that Victus, the Salarians and especially the Asari are keeping secrets and lying constantly.
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Jun 26, 2014 22:55
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I've always agreed with the correct opinion that Destroy is the best option, but I'd have changed my mind if Control had allowed you to:Lycus posted:Control > fly all the Reapers into stars. Starchild: EDI and the Geth will die oh and also you will die too. There's no way around this. Shepard: Uhhh, have you not been paying attention to what I've done over the last three games? 
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Jun 26, 2014 23:00
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I think the "happy ending" is Destroy High EMS. I just finished the series, and the Geth were my favorite race (gently caress Quarians 4 lyfe), and yeah, it sucked to kill them, and it felt like a dick move, but you can rebuild the Geth and rebuild EDI (And I didn't feel bad about depriving Joker of his robo boner), you can't rebuild Shepard. Well, not really. Lazarus nonwithstanding. I picked Synth the first go, but it just felt...uh... Also if you aren't a Bro-gan you aren't allowed in my galaxy 
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Jun 26, 2014 23:13
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Tezcatlipoca posted:People that make a big deal about the Geth lying to Shepard forget that Victus, the Salarians and especially the Asari are keeping secrets and lying constantly.
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LordHippoman posted:I think the "happy ending" is Destroy High EMS. I just finished the series, and the Geth were my favorite race (gently caress Quarians 4 lyfe), and yeah, it sucked to kill them, and it felt like a dick move, but you can rebuild the Geth and rebuild EDI (And I didn't feel bad about depriving Joker of his robo boner), you can't rebuild Shepard. Well, not really. Lazarus nonwithstanding. I picked Synth the first go, but it just felt...uh... There is no happy ending in Mass Effect 3 because Mass Effect 3 is art.
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My Q-Face posted:Mario RPG had Bowser as a party member.
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