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Ron Jeremy posted:Carter by a mile. Didn't Carter get the whole bank deregulation thing running?
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For the hell of it here's my favorite Reagan SNL sketch: https://screen.yahoo.com/president-reagan-mastermind-000000075.html
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He just named the only world leader to ever use nuclear weapons...
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Yeh, Carter gets all the hate from the right wing. They think/say he's stupid, backwards, illiterate, bumbling, and basically everything he ain't. It's sickening how revisionist America's memory is.
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Also, hey, it's July. Maybe we can celebrate how spectacularly loving stupid this country is with a July politics thread.
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Radish posted:Didn't Carter get the whole bank deregulation thing running? If memory serves Carter ran into some of the same issues that Oblammo is running into right now. As in, the right deliberately sabotaged whatever they could get their hands on to make him look worse.
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mcmagic posted:How is LBJ so underrated? He has the most progressive accomplishments of any president in the 20th century not named Roosevelt. Vietnam, otherwise he would have been best president probably.
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a shameful boehner posted:I came to post that Quinnipiac poll and am now here for drink recommendations.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:If memory serves Carter ran into some of the same issues that Oblammo is running into right now. As in, the right deliberately sabotaged whatever they could get their hands on to make him look worse.
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US Politics July: Tell Rick that boots can be purchased with normal heels
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If Nixon had beat Kennedy in 1960 America would be lot different (and arguably better) today.
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SubponticatePoster posted:Hemlock. Far too poetic and graceful for American politics. Drano.
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FAUXTON posted:Far too poetic and graceful for American politics. Bleach is in season. http://youtu.be/bCOMSlPZz4c
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US Politics July: Happy Birthday America, you dumbshit country I think it's really fitting of all the poo poo that's happened recently 
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McDowell posted:If Nixon had beat Kennedy in 1960 America would be lot different (and arguably better) today. This may very well be true. Kennedy was pretty bad. Also big shocker at who is listed in that poll is Obama, W, Clinton, HW and Reagan. Deep derp, who are the best presidents? Ummm, all the last ones! edit: Secret Honor is the best movie about Nixon as it features a drunk Tricky Dick explaining into a tape recorder how he had to sabotage his own presidency to prevent a secret plot by Bohemian Grove to take the country fascist. Berke Negri fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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I find it really hard to stay optimistic about the future of this country. I look at the broken loving political system with little to no hope of repair, an accelerating (you might almost say...accelerationist?) decay of what few social safety nets and worker rights are left to us, a populace willingly deceiving itself to the reality of how badly poo poo is hosed, infrastructure that is 50 years overdue for repair and replacement, and an ongoing consolidation of power into the hands of corporations and the wealthy elites and I just think...why bother? What's the point of trying to fix this fucker if one is lucky enough to be able to emigrate? This country is a teardown, not a renovation. God drat (America).
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a shameful boehner posted:I find it really hard to stay optimistic about the future of this country. I look at the broken loving political system with little to no hope of repair, an accelerating (you might almost say...accelerationist?) decay of what few social safety nets and worker rights are left to us, a populace willingly deceiving itself to the reality of how badly poo poo is hosed, infrastructure that is 50 years overdue for repair and replacement, and an ongoing consolidation of power into the hands of corporations and the wealthy elites and I just think...why bother? What's the point of trying to fix this fucker if one is lucky enough to be able to emigrate? You forgot to mention that the well off will smugly inform you things are not that bad, which in way makes it all seem worse.
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Please tell me where this land of milk and honey you plan to emigrate to that does not have serious social and economic issues currently.
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Dunno if this has been posted yet, but hot on the heels of the Hobby Lobby decision comes a letter asking for a religious exemption from Obama's executive order barring federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT folks.quote:This week, in the Hobby Lobby case, the Supreme Court ruled that a religious employer could not be required to provide employees with certain types of contraception. That decision is beginning to reverberate: A group of faith leaders is urging the Obama administration to include a religious exemption in a forthcoming LGBT anti-discrimination action. Now that the floodgates have apparently been opened, will it be long until people start claiming that hiring black people is against their religion? Or is that too hyperbolic of a prediction?
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a shameful boehner posted:I find it really hard to stay optimistic about the future of this country. I look at the broken loving political system with little to no hope of repair, an accelerating (you might almost say...accelerationist?) decay of what few social safety nets and worker rights are left to us, a populace willingly deceiving itself to the reality of how badly poo poo is hosed, infrastructure that is 50 years overdue for repair and replacement, and an ongoing consolidation of power into the hands of corporations and the wealthy elites and I just think...why bother? What's the point of trying to fix this fucker if one is lucky enough to be able to emigrate? Because my family and friends can't come with me and I refuse to leave them behind in the smoking crater the Tea Party would turn this country into. Also given that Millenials lean fairly left, even if they don't think there's much difference between the parties they vote Democratic and that's a start to taking back our god damned country from the loving retarded lunatics that we know as the Tea Party. I'm not optimistic, but it's possible and I will be damned if I'm not going to at least go down fighting like hell. It also helps to consider the fact that the Right is completely and utterly hosed in the next POTUS election. E: Mr Jaunts posted:Dunno if this has been posted yet, but hot on the heels of the Hobby Lobby decision comes a letter asking for a religious exemption from Obama's executive order barring federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT folks. Nevermind. gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress I HATE THIS loving COUNTRY Pardon me, I'm going to go smash my head into a wall for the next few hours until it stops hurting and I stop having the brain cells to care about this flaming trainwreck of a country. Magres fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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I had a coworker who just got a job doing design work for a mobile application for a company in Gothenburg who will be emigrating there in the next few months. I am very jealous.
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Berke Negri posted:Please tell me where this land of milk and honey you plan to emigrate to that does not have serious social and economic issues currently. Europe is having these "issues" as well but they aren't straight up losing nearly as bad as we are. As for these lands, I'd name anywhere in Scandanavia or Australia/New Zealand off the top of my head.
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Mr Jaunts posted:Now that the floodgates have apparently been opened, will it be long until people start claiming that hiring black people is against their religion? Or is that too hyperbolic of a prediction? At this point almost nothing is too crazy to be believable. As long as someone (claims to) believe in it, that's enough for me! It's freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion! You can be whatever Christian denomination you want!* *excludes those ones we don't like (heretics)
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Mr Jaunts posted:Dunno if this has been posted yet, but hot on the heels of the Hobby Lobby decision comes a letter asking for a religious exemption from Obama's executive order barring federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT folks. Rachel Maddow actually had a segment on that very thing earlier this week in which a barbecue joint owner in According to this loving garbage rear end Supreme Court, nothing, apparently. I would expect lots and lots of similar challenges in the next months/years. ex post facho fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Unzip and Attack posted:Europe is having these "issues" as well but they aren't straight up losing nearly as bad as we are. As for these lands, I'd name anywhere in Scandanavia or Australia/New Zealand off the top of my head. Isn't Tony Abbott straight up tearing Australia up? And aren't half of the social democratic parties in the EU pretty solidly Third Way by now?
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a shameful boehner posted:I find it really hard to stay optimistic about the future of this country. I look at the broken loving political system with little to no hope of repair, an accelerating (you might almost say...accelerationist?) decay of what few social safety nets and worker rights are left to us, a populace willingly deceiving itself to the reality of how badly poo poo is hosed, infrastructure that is 50 years overdue for repair and replacement, and an ongoing consolidation of power into the hands of corporations and the wealthy elites and I just think...why bother? What's the point of trying to fix this fucker if one is lucky enough to be able to emigrate? The biggest sign of this, in the end, is that the right has declared that America is perfect, it can never fail, and needs no improvement. That's exactly the point where every empire begins its inevitable slide downward and also the point where the slide can't be stopped. It also goes unnoticed day by day because you think of things like "the fall of Rome," as if it were one singular incident where the empire was there one day and not the next. Rather, the decline is gradual. You see this attitude in the right when you consider statements like "conservatism cannot fail it can only be failed" or the fact that the right will happily destroy the nation and burn everything to down just to spite the left. The inherently adversarial nature of current politics and this idea that people should be loyal to America "just because" isn't helping. Sorry GOP, you are loving up the nation that you've sworn to protect at all costs and you don't even see it.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Isn't Tony Abbott straight up tearing Australia up? And aren't half of the social democratic parties in the EU pretty solidly Third Way by now? My point is that even if these are true (which I think they are), their versions of "moderate" political movements/coalitions favor things like single payer healthcare, living wages, and rational gun laws. Unzip and Attack fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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a shameful boehner posted:Rachel Maddow actually had a segment on that very thing earlier this week in which a barbecue joint owner in Georgia (natch) had a "sincerely held belief" that discriminating against black customers was a religious imperative. So what differentiates that practice from discrimination against contraceptives? All I could find was a forwardprogressives.com link, but goddamn. Just how loving sheltered and facile are John Roberts and co. to actually believe that racism just Is Not A Problem Anymore and racism against white people and ARE RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS are of more pressing concern?
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^ ah yes, it was South Carolina, not Georgia, but still. Speaking of burning everything to the ground, there was another segment on Maddow where she pointed out that because a highway infrastructure appropriations bill (IIRC) hadn't been passed by the Republican House, states would soon be seeing their road budgets cut by almost 30%. loving wonderful.
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Well the decision specified it couldn't justify religious exemptions to things like race equality, but made no mention of LGBT stuff. So, barring an EO or whatever that makes LGBT a protected class for everything- not just for Federal stuff, it will have 'merit'.
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Magres posted:Also given that Millenials lean fairly left, even if they don't think there's much difference between the parties they vote Democratic and that's a start to taking back our god damned country from the loving retarded lunatics that we know as the Tea Party. But does the twenty-five and under crowd give a poo poo about social programs? Since 1980, all we've heard from politicians is how the government sucks and can't do anything right, combined with the reality of that predicted situation, thanks to a bunch of morons electing people like themselves that only came to gently caress everything up. Sure, young people are all for gay rights and mostly against domestic spying, but do they care about racial problems? Nope, civil rights act fixed everything long ago. Do they care about social programs? Not unless they're using them and aren't white. Do they want to go into politics and try to make things better? Not a chance, other than the PronHaul crowd of course, the environment is too toxic and it all seems pointless. Admittedly, I don't agree that we're all hosed, but I do see it getting worse for the poor and non-whites before it gets better. I guess I can hope the baby boomers joining the social security machine will force Congress to actually fix how it is funded, but hey who knows. Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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If you are thinking about moving to Australia I recommend not doing so as an asylum seeker.
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a shameful boehner posted:I find it really hard to stay optimistic about the future of this country. I look at the broken loving political system with little to no hope of repair, an accelerating (you might almost say...accelerationist?) decay of what few social safety nets and worker rights are left to us, a populace willingly deceiving itself to the reality of how badly poo poo is hosed, infrastructure that is 50 years overdue for repair and replacement, and an ongoing consolidation of power into the hands of corporations and the wealthy elites and I just think...why bother? What's the point of trying to fix this fucker if one is lucky enough to be able to emigrate? The pendulum of history has shifted back towards the policies of the Gilded Age. America has pretty much forgotten every lesson from a century ago and the old excuses (immigrants, minorities, etc.) still make people easy to lead by the nose. We've torn down everything that prevented the Great Depression and we happily let the financial industry gamble on everything from housing to the weather, knowing that the government will foot the bill if they gently caress up. Half of the political process in the United States is basically sponsored by two people, the Koch Brothers, who have an unequivocal say in what that party does. Brothers who didn't build their wealth but inherited it. This will become the norm in the next decade or so, since wealth is becoming concentrated. These brothers who are in the energy business, who like to give the finger at any sort of environmental regulations. This is at a time when our oceans are acidifying at an astonishing rate and the global temperature is rapidly increasing. We can't spend 500 million on infrastructure or our own people, yet we can easily do it to get embroiled in another pointless Middle East adventure that will accomplish nothing and make things worse. People know more about Miley Cyrus than about what was responsible for the 2008 collapse, which nearly sent us into a second Great Depression instead of a Great Recession. On the other hand, we've got gay marriage. We did manage to elect a black president with all the racism in our country, something few other first world countries have done. People are actually talking about inequality, when before they would have thought you were crazy. Optimism is pretty hard, I admit, when you're getting hosed from all sides. Especially with the court decisions on Monday. But history shows that the pendulum (eventually) swings back the other way. The only question is will it swing back in our lifetimes. The answer? Probably not, so drink up!
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Swan Oat posted:If you are thinking about moving to Australia I recommend not doing so as an asylum seeker. The bitter irony being that for as lovely as American political culture is, we have comparatively open immigration standards. They suck don't get me wrong, but most other countries are even worse.
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Sir Tonk posted:But does the twenty-five and under crowd give a poo poo about social programs? Since 1980, all we've heard from politicians is how the government sucks and can't do anything right, combined with the reality of that predicted situation, thanks to a bunch of morons electing people like themselves that only came to gently caress everything up. Sure, young people are all for gay rights and mostly against domestic spying, but do they care about racial problems? Nope, civil rights act fixed everything long ago. Do they care about social programs? Not unless they're using them and aren't white. Do they want to go into politics and try to make things better? Not a chance, other than the PronHaul crowd of course, the environment is too toxic and it all seems pointless. I think you'd be surprised at just how left the young of America is right now. A gently caress ton of young, white people care a lot about social programs and wages and what have you, partly because of how dismal the job market is and how much student debt has been lumped on them. The right primarily targets the demographic of "old, white, and not poor" for reasons. Look at Occupy. The youth turnout on that one was absolutely massive. Part of the reason the youth are blah about politics is how disillusioned some of them are and how risky it is to get involved in that poo poo right now, especially when you're unemployed, 27, and have $150,000 of debt.
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Doctor Butts posted:So, barring an EO or whatever that makes LGBT a protected class for everything- not just for Federal stuff, it will have 'merit'. Yeah, but I don't think can do that via executive order; that was what the Employee Non-Discrimination Act was supposed to do. Which, it should be noted, has an exception for religious groups, non-profits and the like, similar to the contraception mandate. I presume that was included to sweeten the deal for House Republicans, but they still didn't bite. I really, really, really hope the midterms don't end up with the Senate flipping like people are predicting. I shudder to think of the harm that could to this country from a unified Republican Congress. It would make us pine for the days when they were only blocking any meaningful laws, as opposed to passing actively harmful ones. But it's probably still gonna happen, isn't it
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