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revdrkevind posted:
It also says to me that they (the writers) think Khan is his name, not his title.
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Video Viddy Games posted:if its a reboot why do you need the kazon? Because if you drop every piece of the show's identity to make it better, you might as well just write in your own universe. The point is to take all of the setting elements of Voyager and then put them into a more thematically and mechanically sound story. I like the idea of having Voyager being constantly harried by raids from the Kazon. At first they'd seem like mere pest attacks, but as damage accrued and tempers frayed the tables might turn on Voyager a bit. I like the idea that the Federation and Starfleet only work because they essentially fly everywhere with space magic at their finger tips. I'd love to write the breakdown of that society at the hands of what are essentially cavemen in tiny space ships.
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Why can the Kazon travel faster than voyager and why wouldn't they just blast past these cavemen and not stop? Is voyager crippled and limping or something?
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They can't travel faster, but the Kazon were loving everywhere. You dodge the last pack just to run into a fresh group ready to harry you. It doesn't matter if you keep blowing them up, because they still ding and scrape you up, and it just wears you down that much further.
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Jul 2, 2014 18:46
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Kazon weren't around that much, they pretty much stopped when the whole Seska storyline wrapped up. Also Voyager was in Borg space for literally one episode, then Kes leaves the ship and blasts them past Borg space.
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Jul 2, 2014 19:02
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TheCenturion posted:It also says to me that they (the writers) think Khan is his name, not his title. Khans name isnt Khan?
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Kazon weren't around that much, they pretty much stopped when the whole Seska storyline wrapped up. Also Voyager was in Borg space for literally one episode, then Kes leaves the ship and blasts them past Borg space. That storyline spanned one full season, Season 2. Seeing Seska over and over again never made all that much sense (and neither did Seska defecting at all); but both certainly weren't Voyager's worst sins.
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Gutcruncher posted:Khans name isnt Khan? His full name is Khan Noonien Singh and he ruled an empire that spanned a quarter of the globe, from the middle east through Asia. I always assumed Khan was his title too, seems fitting for the region. Cthulhuchan posted:They can't travel faster, but the Kazon were loving everywhere. You dodge the last pack just to run into a fresh group ready to harry you. It doesn't matter if you keep blowing them up, because they still ding and scrape you up, and it just wears you down that much further. Either they travel faster or Voyager was really dragging their feet for the first two seasons, because their stated goal is returning to the Alpha quadrant, but they always seem to be stuck in Kazon space and are always running into that same fuckwit Maje Culluh.
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It was their home space. Maybe they knew shortcuts?
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 If you look at the Cardassians or the Ferengi in TNG, the first episodes of both alien races were rough & unimpressive but instead of giving up on them the writers worked out a template for their traits & culture, which is a lot of work & probably the main reason the Kazon never went anywhere. The Kazon were a terrible idea from the start & stayed that way because the writers never bothered to establish their race & eventually just settled for "Klingon lite" out of laziness. revdrkevind posted:The sad part is, that cheap producer move works fantastically in this universe- if you realize what you're really supposed to be doing. You're not taking a crappy TV plot and sprucing it up to appeal to Star Trek fans, you're taking a crappy TV plot and setting it in a fantastic world full of rich characters whose backstory will fill in the gaps for the audience. Ship-to-ship combat is WW2 submarines, but IIIIN SPAAAAACE. This sounds like way more work than "slightly rewrite an old TOS or TNG script and/or Voyager thinks they found a shortcut home that doesn't work out" tbh. SolidSnakesBandana posted:Kazon weren't around that much, they pretty much stopped when the whole Seska storyline wrapped up. Also Voyager was in Borg space for literally one episode, then Kes leaves the ship and blasts them past Borg space. Following in the theme of Voyager can make any good idea go wrong, Seska was a good idea but instead of writing her like a Cardassian determined to do whatever it took to get herself home or establish power for herself in the Delta Quad they wrote her like Chakotay's crazy ex-girlfriend. Like they clearly wanted her to be this brilliant tactician outsmarting Voyager & setting booby traps & plots but instead they wrote her a season long arc about sperm-jacking.
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Congrats everone! We've chatted about Voyager for 100 pages!
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Hector Beerlioz posted:Congrats everone! We've chatted about Voyager for 100 pages! Hardly, at least 20 pages worth of this thread was just goons giving Babylon 5 a sloppy blowjob.
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hemale in pain posted:I like the episode where voyager sinks on an ice planet and everyone dies. Wow, speaking of rewriting tng episodes...
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Mondian posted:Either they travel faster or Voyager was really dragging their feet for the first two seasons, because their stated goal is returning to the Alpha quadrant, but they always seem to be stuck in Kazon space and are always running into that same fuckwit Maje Culluh. Those coffee nebulas wont explore themselves you know 
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TheCenturion posted:Ooh, ooh, or better yet, Voyager gets back to a major Starbase. Janeway turns to Chakotay (staring into his good eye, regarding his horribly scarred face) and says 'I got them home, Chakotay. Was it worth it?' Suddenly, a phaser rings out, and she's killed. Camera pans over to Harry Kim, who's been desperately trying to maintain his Starfleet morals and ideals the entire series. "No," he says, tears streaming down his face. "It wasn't." Quoting since this post hasn't gotten any love yet. It's blatant proof that any concept like this can be easily fixed by people who have even a simple vision and an understanding of the genre rather than churning out crap that got watered down by probably dozens of managers/producers/etc who make changes for the sole sake of trying to justify their jobs and ancient syndication mindsets
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oldpainless posted:Kai Winning Kai Winn did nothing wrong.
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Baronjutter posted:Why can the Kazon travel faster than voyager and why wouldn't they just blast past these cavemen and not stop? Is voyager crippled and limping or something? A good reason for why voyager has to frequently make stops and detours is because they need to find sources of and of course, where you find a planet or something with something valuable in it you're probably going to find some aliens have already claimed it
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I do wonder why people even bother with tractor beams anymore, you shoot a reverse plasma energy beam or something and they stop working straight away 
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Szurumbur posted: This happens in very many movies, but: a character is asking for something and the person asked gives a estimate in which he/she will act/arrive/complete the task, like "I'll be there in [x] hours" which is met with "Be there in [less amount of time]" Especially when the person giving an estimate is a trained professional. someone else posted: There was an episode of Voyager where B'Elanna says some repair will take two hours (or something) and Janeway says "You have one." B'Elanna goes "I don't exaggerate; if I say something will take two hours, it'll take two." And Janeway's just like "Alright." hot drat. something voyager got right.
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Video Viddy Games posted:There was an episode of Voyager where B'Elanna says some repair will take two hours (or something) and Janeway says "You have one." B'Elanna goes "I don't exaggerate; if I say something will take two hours, it'll take two." And Janeway's just like "Alright." That was episode 10, "State of Flux" - the episode in which the crew gets started on Leola root (also featuring Seska and the Kazon) And the timeframe in question was tomorrow/by the end of the day
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TheCenturion posted:Ooh, ooh, or better yet, Voyager gets back to a major Starbase. Janeway turns to Chakotay (staring into his good eye, regarding his horribly scarred face) and says 'I got them home, Chakotay. Was it worth it?' Suddenly, a phaser rings out, and she's killed. Camera pans over to Harry Kim, who's been desperately trying to maintain his Starfleet morals and ideals the entire series. "No," he says, tears streaming down his face. "It wasn't." Replace line with "CHAKOTAY DON'T TELL MY PARENTS"
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My actual feeling is you could do those themes and do them well without turning Star Trek into Warhammer 40,000, you know? Also Khan is a common given and family name in much of Asia, if it was a title I assume it'd follow his name as in "Noonien Singh Khan."
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God, the second Star Trek reboot. "My name is KHAN!" I think the characters should have looked initially looked confused. "Singh. I'm Khan Singh" "That Khan Singh? Really" "Yes" "Rad" Also why is Khan never asian?
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you only see daimons and ferengi piracy in tng. all the sudden in ds9 they a lot more domestic. What Is The Deal?
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why and how did quark run a restaurant. cant you just go to the replimat and get all the klingon blood worms and raktajino you want for free? I know there's gambling and holodeck porn in the back but then why bother with the bar?
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Germstore posted:God, the second Star Trek reboot. "My name is KHAN!" They had a Mexican guy play him in the 60's who was at least sort of a PoC and managed to get less progressive somehow in TYOOL 2013. It's such a weak "reveal" in the context of the film. "My name is different than the name I said it was earlier!" Holy poo poo, who cares? It not only tries to ape TWoK, it literally fails to stand on its own unless you've already seen the other (superior) film. The script completely fails to build up Khan in his own right, at least in terms of why it's meaningful that he's Khan and not George Harrison or wtfever. Either way he's the guy who kills squads of klingons singlehandedly and obligingly takes a beating from Kirk to be sassy. A Pinball Wizard posted:why and how did quark run a restaurant. cant you just go to the replimat and get all the klingon blood worms and raktajino you want for free? I know there's gambling and holodeck porn in the back but then why bother with the bar? That part sort of makes sense. I can cook fettuccine alfredo at home (with varying degrees of effort including just nuking something that's basically as simple as a replicator with a longer wait time), but sometimes it's nice to take a date to a place with good atmosphere and have someone cook it for me and bring it to the table, you know? Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Otisburg posted:They had a Mexican guy play him in the 60's who was at least sort of a PoC and managed to get less progressive somehow in TYOOL 2013. they replicated food
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I assume the point of Quarks was the gambling and having your drinks served by hot alien bitches.
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A Pinball Wizard posted:why and how did quark run a restaurant. cant you just go to the replimat and get all the klingon blood worms and raktajino you want for free? I know there's gambling and holodeck porn in the back but then why bother with the bar? Lamebot posted:they replicated food TGI Fridays has no ovens. They have a line of 20+ microwaves to heat up your meals. TGI Fridays is still in business.
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I've heard the same thing about Applebee's and Chili's. It's probably a mild exaggeration. It's certainly not microwaved, but the menu items are probably individually vacuum packed and frozen, especially with Chili's schizo menu.
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Video Viddy Games posted:Szurumbur posted: Sounds like a reference to Scotty, who purposely would exaggerate his estimates. He tells Kirk its to keep his reputation as a miracle worker, and tells Geordi its because captains are children that was everything right the hell now
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I always thought the best Voyager reboot would be a "Voyager creates a mini-Federation in the Delta Quadrant" storyline. Based on trade, mutual need, defense, diplomacy and good old fashioned Federation values, Voyager aligns with a small fleet of ships of differing species that all want to stay alive and travel West (i.e. in a common direction if not the common destination). Along the way this group forms the basis of new Federation members, and of course has many adventures. It seems like a very Trek way to tell the abandoned ship story.
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redshirt posted:I always thought the best Voyager reboot would be a "Voyager creates a mini-Federation in the Delta Quadrant" storyline. So the episode The Void but without abandoning the concept after 45 minutes?
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Gutcruncher posted:So the episode The Void but without abandoning the concept after 45 minutes? Pretty much. It's got built in drama and endless possibilities for new characters, ships, planets, etc. You can have a Borg refugee thing going on for social impact. Of course many of the aliens you meet aren't keen on being friendly, so, drama! Imagine like having a farm space ship, the last remnant of a species wiped out by the Borg. Huge domes growing amazing amounts of food - they need protection, and wouldn't everyone want to protect them? It would also be a platform for preachy Federation values, which is a Trek must.
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redshirt posted:Pretty much. Man the constant cylon attacks would be thrilling too!
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Sgt. Anime Pederast posted:Man the constant cylon attacks would be thrilling too! Two big differences: 1. Voyager would have built a fleet from scratch. The first season of the show could mostly be the ship alone, dealing with poo poo. 2. This fleet has no inherent reason to be together, so you always have to question someone's motivation. Galactica's motivations were crystal clear - they were genetic.
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Reboot Delta Quadrant is filled with rape gangs. It's edgier.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Reboot Delta Quadrant is filled with rape gangs. It's edgier. Bring back Tasha Yar as the Emergency Security Hologram.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Reboot Delta Quadrant is filled with rape gangs. It's edgier. Kazon are the like the Reavers from Firefly. As the Hierarchy and the Hirogen. I thought it would've been interesting to run in to an area the was completely Federation like, that would've spanned a few episodes, full of sanctimonious, smug do-gooders. The crew couldn't wait to hit hostile territory just to get away from them. Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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redshirt posted:Pretty much. As they travel, they gather more and more ships. When they finally reach Federation, Janeway goes crazy(er) and invades, establishing an United Confederation of Planets with Janeway as supreme ruler. Mandatory hair buns instituted.
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