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david carmichael posted:The american audience loves an overdog Only if the overdog is american.
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Lungboy posted:Is there any way to work out the annual viewing numbers, rather than individual ones? I guess the Fight Pass stuff makes it much harder to be accurate. As long as UFC are getting more overall annually, do they care about individual cards doing worse? There is no way to calculate it like before. 5+ years ago, you could just add up all of the PPV buys. Nowadays you have foreign TV deals in multiple counties, FightPass, PPVs, Fox deal, etc.
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Jacare vs Mousasi is being moved to the 9/5 Fight Night in Connecticut, which I'd imagine would be the headliner.
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Lloyd Boner posted:Jacare vs Mousasi is being moved to the 9/5 Fight Night in Connecticut, which I'd imagine would be the headliner. For a fan in MA that is a whole lot more enticing than the Maine card
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Parillo digs that grave some more There has been long-running animosity between Jason and BJs guys in Hawaii, precisely because Jason tended to tell the Hawaii guys that they were bad trainers and letting BJ do whatever he wanted for 10% of a purse was not actually training somebody. And trying to depart from what someone has been doing for an entire training camp in the last week is, in fact, a bad idea. Parillo probably should have stayed away from the whole shitshow but I don't see anything particularly ridiculous in that interview.
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Aldo is kind of correct in that he's getting dicked on fighter pay. He draws what he draws, yes, but the place where he'd be the most likely to get buys, has the fights for free on tv.
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I'm just saying if he thinks changing his boxing style after X weeks is bad, why isn't changing it after X years even worse? But yeah I agree the best course of action here isn't to jump on the train right before it hits a curve doing 300.
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My expert analysis says that Aldo would earn more money if he was still killing dudes with double-jump knees in under ten seconds. 
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I'm just saying if he thinks changing his boxing style after X weeks is bad, why isn't changing it after X years even worse? But yeah I agree the best course of action here isn't to jump on the train right before it hits a curve doing 300. changing and evolving your style after many years is an important part of growing and developing as a fighter. trying to do it in two years is a reasonable undertaking. changing your style to not bend your legs because bending your legs makes you too tired is perhaps not a wise change to make. but like. he completely bought into that style. the change process itself was undertaken successfully. its just that in this case it was the dumbest possible change to make.
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ok. so you are getting tuckered out from your current fighting style. we are going to completely retool your game to avoid having that happen. what we are going to do is: make you stop trying.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I'm just saying if he thinks changing his boxing style after X weeks is bad, why isn't changing it after X years even worse? But yeah I agree the best course of action here isn't to jump on the train right before it hits a curve doing 300. I think Jason was saying that after 2 years of BJ doing this under the totally useful tutelage of team Hawaii: david carmichael posted:ok. so you are getting tuckered out from your current fighting style. we are going to completely retool your game to avoid having that happen. what we are going to do is: make you stop trying. Jason wasn't going to come in during the last week and try to change everything around. Which is reasonable. What is not reasonable is BJ's decision not to bend his legs, ever.
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new fighting style: sort of lean up against the cage resting on your right arm, and constantly ask the ref if its hot in here, or is it just me
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I'm just saying if he thinks changing his boxing style after X weeks is bad, why isn't changing it after X years even worse? But yeah I agree the best course of action here isn't to jump on the train right before it hits a curve doing 300. I remember my fencing coach, who had a long rear end pedigree of about every kind of fencing champion outside of an Olympian (plenty of Junior Olympic Golds though) that certain athletes had characteristics that a lifetime of training just would not change, and that after a certain point it was better to embrace the person's kinks and have them enter matches in a good mindset and not stressed. I think this all came out of a conversation about why he would be a grueling taskmaster with some athletes, and others he preferred to let relax going into competition. Maybe it's that train of thought in action? Penn was not going to drastically change for one fight at the end of the career so better to work with what he had? Captain Log fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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david carmichael posted:new fighting style: sort of lean up against the cage resting on your right arm, and constantly ask the ref if its hot in here, or is it just me Frank Mir's Art of Deception
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It's why not everyone can coach. Been able to get the best out of a person and work around their weaknesses is hard. The Chael/Jones TUF was a great example of this, you had Chael working guys to their abilities whilst Jones would show techniques to people that they just couldn't do. Jones just didn't realise that not everyone can do what he can.
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Yeah I think I read that Jenny Thomson (swimmer) had like really bad stroke technique but it worked for her so her coaches eventually said "gently caress it" and embraced it. So it happens I guess.
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Nibbles141 posted:It's why not everyone can coach. Been able to get the best out of a person and work around their weaknesses is hard. The Chael/Jones TUF was a great example of this, you had Chael working guys to their abilities whilst Jones would show techniques to people that they just couldn't do. Jones just didn't realise that not everyone can do what he can. "Be taller!"
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Jul 9, 2014 17:44
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My theory for what inspired Baby Jay's strategy: BJ's been watching movies nominated for Best Picture and just got up to The Crying Game.
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david carmichael posted:new fighting style: sort of lean up against the cage resting on your right arm, and constantly ask the ref if its hot in here, or is it just me Triticum Guzzler posted:Frank Mir's Art of Deception
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Reminder that bj did no s&c this camp, just taro root farming and building roads.
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He's in the best shape of his life Joe
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Captain Log posted:Maybe it's that train of thought in action? Penn was not going to drastically change for one fight at the end of the career so better to work with what he had? Well the problem was Penn did drastically change his style at the end of his career. We've never seen him fight like he did Sunday. Jason only had one week to either get him back to the old style or develop another entirely new style.
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BJ was gonna get his rear end whipped whether he changed his style or not.
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The Chael vs. Jones coaching reminds me way too much of some things I've personally encountered and I never really thought too much about it until comparing the two. Yeah, I guess you could call it pragmatic coaching. My fencing coach knew I had entered too late to ever amount to much in Nashville. You either had to start young and establish yourself on the regional tournaments and then go crush the Junior Olympics. If you started late you had to rank in small tournaments and go up from there. It never happened at my age in Nashville because we had a lot of immigrants in the 35 years old and up age of Soviet bloc countries who could go to any of the smaller tourneys and sleep through them and still maintain their Men's A rating. My club had a chain smoking Russian ex-Olympian who never talked but was cool in that unsettling foreign guy wearing a twenty year old leather jacket way. Anyways, I've never been able to stretch my legs for a gently caress. Before tourneys people would go into intense stretching routines and I would flounder badly and get exhausted just trying to limber up my legs. My coach eventually said, "Stretch for five minutes, then relax. You'll do better with a fresh mind and your other skills than shot legs that will take five to ten years to get limber." After this, I started placing well enough to get a low ranking and enjoy myself enough to be able to coach a bit in college. He saw what I could do and made the best of it. Sadly, we had one Women's Junior Epee fencer who was always in the top three if not two in the nation. She was considered a shoe in for the Olympics if she could post a good college career. She got a full fencing scholarship to a drat good school up north but the coach fought her going tooth and nail. He knew she was a mental case before tourneys and would let her listen to music, relax, and joke around. Then she would win. The Russian idiots at her school had a, "YELL FREQUENTLY! YOU ARE WRONG! TRY HARDER! PUT A TOWEL OVER YOUR HEAD FOR AT LEAST FIFTEEN MINUTES WITHOUT MOVING OR TALKING BEFORE A MATCH AND VISUALIZE THE WIN! (I'm not loving joking on that last one.)" She then started to peter out, dropped in rankings, didn't qualify for the Olympics, and one morning jumped out of her lofted top bunk onto an upturned stiletto heel which then shot through her foot and that was it for her hopes. It was God drat angering and sad, but he called it happening before she left for college. tl;dr - My fencing coach was cool. Fencing was cool. Smart coaching is rare and very cool.
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bj is back and more motivated than ever! and also he doesn't want to bend his legs, because that's too much work. his level of fierceness may never be matched
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I don't even understand why I kept hope alive after seeing him on that TUF season. Where he was constantly humming along at 1/8th the energy level of a 200 year old wrestling golem and speaking in some odd distracted cadence where it sounded like he was always talking to an 8 year old who was trying to explain Magic the Gathering to him while the game was on.
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So the UFC only has Mighty Mouse, Dillashaw, and The Herb as healthy champions. Cain, Weidman, Hendricks, Pettis, Aldo and Ronda are all recovering from surgery or on medical suspensions. As if the lack of headliners wasn't hurting the UFC before.
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BJ's standup style was pretty obviously a bad idea, but I feel like people's fixation on it has obscured the main difference between their second match and this one. Sure, the close-together stance had him getting beaten on the feet, but he got beat on the feet before - the major difference here was in the second match when Frankie got BJ down, BJ mostly kept him off balance and was able to use his guard to get back to his feet the way he always has. In this one, when Frankie got BJ down, that was pretty much it - he was down there getting elbowed up for the duration.
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Trast posted:Cain, ... Hendricks, Pettis, Aldo ... are all recovering from surgery or on medical suspensions. As if the lack of headliners wasn't hurting the UFC before. those 4 are supposed to fight between the months of october to december, so UFC will be fine for those PPVs cause that's plenty. In that case Weidman and Ronda can be out until early next year and it doesn't hurt them much. If that Diaz vs Silva fight does go down in "early 2015" then that's already 1 PPV they really don't need a champion for. Demetrious Johnson vs John Dodson II will also happen before the end of the year and i'm 99.9% sure it will happen on the December FOX card. Cause Dana said sure Mighty Mouse will headline a PPV again despite the bad buyrate, and maybe FOX is looking into using him again too what of it?
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fatherdog posted:BJ's standup style was pretty obviously a bad idea, but I feel like people's fixation on it has obscured the main difference between their second match and this one. Sure, the close-together stance had him getting beaten on the feet, but he got beat on the feet before - the major difference here was in the second match when Frankie got BJ down, BJ mostly kept him off balance and was able to use his guard to get back to his feet the way he always has. In this one, when Frankie got BJ down, that was pretty much it - he was down there getting elbowed up for the duration. i didn't watch the fight. instead i just read the interview where the coach said that bending his legs made bj too tired.
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without watching the fight i would say that bj not being able to get up was a combination of frankie being able to get deeper on his shots and land in a better position for top control, improved top control from frankie, and bj not wanting to tucker himself out.
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david carmichael posted:without watching the fight i would say that bj not being able to get up was a combination of frankie being able to get deeper on his shots and land in a better position for top control, improved top control from frankie, and bj not wanting to tucker himself out. It is very difficult to effectively use your guard when bending your legs is forbidden.
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Telling BJ Penn to not use his stupidly bendy rubber legs is like telling Pettis to stop throwing spinning poo poo, Diaz to stop being a Diaz, Hunt to speak at length about his feelings and Jones to stop being a piece of poo poo.
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Aurain posted:Telling BJ Penn to not use his stupidly bendy rubber legs is like telling Pettis to stop throwing spinning poo poo, Diaz to stop being a Diaz, Hunt to speak at length about his feelings and Jones to stop being a piece of poo poo. So you're saying it was 75% good advice?
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Bubba Smith posted:those 4 are supposed to fight between the months of october to december, so UFC will be fine for those PPVs cause that's plenty. In that case Weidman and Ronda can be out until early next year and it doesn't hurt them much. If that Diaz vs Silva fight does go down in "early 2015" then that's already 1 PPV they really don't need a champion for. I'm not so sure about it. Cain and Pettis both seem like the types who get hurt in camp from going too hard. Hendrick I think will be on schedule as he seems to have a singular focus in proving to the world he beat GSP and the judges robbed him.
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I do think Cain Velasquez Never Fights, but he actually has recorded 1 fight every year since 08. Same with Pettis. My gut tells me that these guys are competitors and sorta bored with all the offtime and will fight with an injury if necessary since they have done so before. And since they're filming TUFs that are meaningful there is more pressure than usual for them to show up. Deeper in my gut tells me that unless you contract some sort of stomach virus like Mike Swick or you forget to eat your apples like Brock Lesnar you usually don't go a full year without fighting. So never have a bad stomach.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Where he was constantly humming along at 1/8th the energy level of a 200 year old wrestling golem name one person who isn't a) mentally ill and playing for the cameras like mayhem or b) clay guida that can come close to matching the energy level of the ancient and irascible one
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Chael Sonnen was an entertaining coach because he gave a lot of motivational speeches. But he probably didn't tell the guys how much blood doping you need to do to fight for a world title.
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I didn't even know they had an effective test for determining HGH abuse that was inexpensive enough to use on someone who was already busted for being dumb
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BJ had a pretty traditional muay thai stance in his fight which is pretty weird because I don't really remember him ever doing that (or it ever really appearing in MMA in general). It's not popular in MMA because obviously you're standing straight up in the air with your feet basically touching which means you have next to no ability to defend takedowns because you basically can't sprawl and it's really easy to offset your center of balance. In practice this could have been deliberate from BJ if he favored his odds on the ground even off his back (although historically I don't know why he would think this) and was going to employ the benefits of the stance while standing. In execution he just sort of looked like a kid who had never been in a fight before, and if 'moving with my knees bent' is too tiring for a person who quite frankly isn't really old enough to warrant that level of old-man fatigue I think the conclusion probably should have been 'I probably shouldn't be fighting', not 'how can i try to be in a fight while maintaining my resting heart rate'.
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