Crawl 0.14: You feel energized by your suffering!

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Lonny Donoghan: Jan 20, 2009; Pillbug

PleasingFungus posted:

Like Read said, perhaps should've used the wand of draining on the earlier enemy, the one that was actually vulnerable to it.

Or I could use my triple sword on it. A triple sword is effective against executioners when wielded with a character with min. delay in the sword skill branch in Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. lol

# ? Jul 22, 2014 07:36

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# ? May 11, 2024 07:18

Davzz: Jul 31, 2008

kaschei posted:

You don't have to finish off enemies, and last hitting isn't treated preferentially to other hitting.

Guess I was wrong about EXP and last hitting, but there are several deities where last hitting is an issue if you use Summons.

For example, Okawaru doesn't penalize your summoned allies dying in droves now, but trying to go Okawaru on a Summoner start still isn't a great choice because he only awards piety if you actually kill the monster.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 07:40

Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; slightly amused

PleasingFungus posted:

Like Read said, perhaps should've used the wand of draining on the earlier enemy, the one that was actually vulnerable to it.

Guys I don't think he's being serious. Just a hunch.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 07:47

Tollymain: Jul 9, 2010; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Frykte posted:

lmfao raped raping raped GG faggots

Riveting tale, friend.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 07:48

kaschei: Oct 25, 2005

Darox posted:

Actually, I'm curious. How much experience do you get if a monster gets the last hit on a friend or themselves?

If you or an ally have damaged the monster, I believe you get 50% + (your damage/total damage). I think this includes things like mephing orcs in baileys (where you do very little damage and so only get about half experience... but all the loot!).

edit: actually I don't know how it works if the monster dies from something other than hp loss. If you do 1 out of 1 damage before confusing something into blue lava is that full experience? I don't know

# ? Jul 22, 2014 08:18

Darox: Nov 10, 2012

kaschei posted:

If you or an ally have damaged the monster, I believe you get 50% + (your damage/total damage). I think this includes things like mephing orcs in baileys (where you do very little damage and so only get about half experience... but all the loot!).

edit: actually I don't know how it works if the monster dies from something other than hp loss. If you do 1 out of 1 damage before confusing something into blue lava is that full experience? I don't know

Pretty sure that damage from monsters you have confused counts as damage from you. You get experience from enemies who you confuse and drown but never directly damage. What I was wondering about was stuff like when an elf mage fireballs at point blank and kills himself.

E: After some quick experiments it seems that if a monster kills itself while confused you get full XP but if another confused monster kills them you only get partial.

Darox fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Jul 22, 2014

# ? Jul 22, 2014 08:56

BigFactory: Sep 17, 2002

Any advice for this guy? http://pastebin.com/z6U2zkxY

code:

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.15-a0-2130-g28e4b74 (tiles) character file.

DSFE the Warrior (Demonspawn Fire Elementalist)   Turns: 138890, Time: 09:35:09

HP 226/226       AC 33     Str 12      XL: 27
MP  47/48        EV 17     Int 33      God: Ashenzari [******]
Gold 7388        SH 18     Dex 18      Spells: 10 memorised,  2 levels left

rFire  + + +     SeeInvis +     a - +10 broad axe of the Dungeon {elec, rC++}
rCold  + + +     Clarity  +     h - +2 fire dragon armour
rNeg   + + +     rCorr    .     p - +0 shield {AC+3} (curse)
rPois  +         rRot     .     Y - +2 hat {rF+} (curse)
rElec  +         Spirit   .     A - +2 cloak {MR+} (curse)
SustAb .         Warding  +     P - +1 pair of gloves "Onlo" {MR++ Stlth+}
rMut   .         Stasis   .     (boots unavailable)
Gourm  .                        I - cursed macabre finger necklace {Ward rN+}
MR     +++++                    t - cursed ring of Gasaz {Wiz Dex+4 Int+3}
                                B - ring of Summertime {rPois rN+ MP+9 Slay+5}
                                D - cursed ring "Brikix" {rC++ AC+2 Str+2 Int+2}

@: deflect missiles, almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, quite
stealthy
A: antennae 1, claws 1, talons 3, large bone plates 3, berserk 1, blurry vision
1, breathe flames 1, clarity, demonic guardian 3, negative energy resistance 1,
poison resistance, powered by pain 3, screaming 1, electricity resistance, slow
healing 1, 50% torment resistance, black mark
a: Scrying, Transfer Knowledge, Renounce Religion, Breathe Fire
}: 4/15 runes: barnacled, silver, abyssal, gossamer

I need to re-do my rings, and I can probably get away from the finger necklace. Only end game spells I've found is a necronomicon and a couple of books with Tornado, though. Right now I fireball/iron shot/haste up and melee my way through just about everything. I could just go after the orb but I hate wasting torment resistance. Slime's next, and I guess I just hope for good books?

# ? Jul 22, 2014 14:02

Heithinn Grasida: Mar 28, 2005; ...must attack and fall upon them with a gallant bearing and a fearless heart, and, if possible, vanquish and destroy them, even though they have for armour the shells of a certain fish, that they say are harder than diamonds, and in place of swords wield trenchant blades of Damascus steel...

What's wrong with tornado? It's perfect for a hybrid and there's nothing stopping you from using it, though it will be a while before you can cast it.

Regarding summons, I just cleared Zot: 5 on my HESu. Though summoner has a rough start, I ultimately found it to be really strong. You get a whole lot of killing power and defensive utility for investment in just one school. I had mid twenties long blades, fighting and dodging in depths while being able to cast summon horrible things as well as haste and controlled blink. Conjuror hybrids can't manage such solid fighting ability even with Ashenzari. I ended up choosing malign gateway and summon horrible things. I read a lot of posts on the tavern that said malign gateway isn't very good, but I think it's brilliant. Its damage output is absurd for the mp cost. I had it castable by the end of swamp and it trivialized the rune vault. It was extremely effective on elf: 3 as well and it's even good in zot for chewing up orbs of fire. Summon horrible things is simply amazing both as a defensive and offensive tool. All in all, summoner feels really finicky early, what with needing to stand next to enemies and take hits without having the xp to train defenses, but by lair branches, it felt like I was playing a skald on steroids.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 17:31

BigFactory: Sep 17, 2002

Heithinn Grasida posted:

What's wrong with tornado? It's perfect for a hybrid and there's nothing stopping you from using it, though it will be a while before you can cast it.

You're probably right, although I've cleared almost all of Zot, so I don't know if there's enough XP in slime to make it worthwhile. Ring of fire might be interesting though. I have that in a couple of books.

EDIT: Annihilation at the bottom of slime!

BigFactory fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jul 22, 2014

# ? Jul 22, 2014 18:06

Superterranean: May 3, 2005; after we lit this one, nothing was ever the same

purple roulette got me Robust 1! and Wild Magic 3.

Good thing I'm a troll :v:

# ? Jul 22, 2014 19:19

It Freshens!: Feb 12, 2005

Has this happened to anyone else before? What an adorable little D:7 I got!

# ? Jul 22, 2014 21:17

Finagle: Feb 18, 2007; Looks like we have a neighsayer

It Freshens! posted:

Has this happened to anyone else before? What an adorable little D:7 I got!

If you squint, it almost looks like australia

# ? Jul 22, 2014 21:22

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

It Freshens! posted:

Has this happened to anyone else before? What an adorable little D:7 I got!

I've seen three people report this now, in D/Lair. I assume it's something with recent layout generation changes, but I'm not familiar with the relevant code, sadly...

# ? Jul 22, 2014 21:28

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Finagle posted:

If you squint, it almost looks like australia

Can't be, there's nothing poisonous in it.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 21:28

FulsomFrank: Sep 11, 2005; Hard on for love

PleasingFungus, please let whoever is responsible know that whenever I see new tiles for helmets or boots or armours or whatever, it makes me very happy. Little things like greater variance in tiles, fresh vaults, and more unrand artefacts makes each play through feel even more unique than it already is.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 22:11

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Speaking of tiles, is the person who would come in here asking for tiles that people would like to see redone still in here?

I'd personally like to see all the various vault-unique enemies (wardens, convokers, preservers etc) get a redesign to be more visually distinct, and ideally color-coded the way elves and orcs are. It's annoying having to relearn those enemies every time I make it back to vaults because the sprites aren't distinct enough to stick in my memory for more than a few days.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 22:40

Darox: Nov 10, 2012

cheetah7071 posted:

Speaking of tiles, is the person who would come in here asking for tiles that people would like to see redone still in here?

I'd personally like to see all the various vault-unique enemies (wardens, convokers, preservers etc) get a redesign to be more visually distinct, and ideally color-coded the way elves and orcs are. It's annoying having to relearn those enemies every time I make it back to vaults because the sprites aren't distinct enough to stick in my memory for more than a few days.

They are color coded though. Guards are grey, sentinels are blue, convokers are yellow, protectors are green and wardens are yellow-red.

It'd be nice if wardens were a little more distinct from convokers but aside from that it's pretty easy to see which is which.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 22:45

bisonbison: Jul 18, 2002

Also:

Green orc = priest
Green elf = mage

# ? Jul 22, 2014 22:47

megane: Jun 20, 2008

cheetah7071 posted:

Speaking of tiles, is the person who would come in here asking for tiles that people would like to see redone still in here?

I'd personally like to see all the various vault-unique enemies (wardens, convokers, preservers etc) get a redesign to be more visually distinct, and ideally color-coded the way elves and orcs are. It's annoying having to relearn those enemies every time I make it back to vaults because the sprites aren't distinct enough to stick in my memory for more than a few days.

e:f;b:

Those are my doing, sorry. I guess I could make them more distinct, but I'd have to think about how. They're colored to match their colors in console, so I didn't want to make one bright purple or something.

FulsomFrank posted:

PleasingFungus, please let whoever is responsible know that whenever I see new tiles for helmets or boots or armours or whatever, it makes me very happy. Little things like greater variance in tiles, fresh vaults, and more unrand artefacts makes each play through feel even more unique than it already is.

The new helmets were made by roctavian, if I recall correctly. Bloax contributes a lot as well, but I don't think he's on SA.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 22:50

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Darox posted:

They are color coded though. Guards are grey, sentinels are blue, convokers are yellow, protectors are green and wardens are yellow-red.

It'd be nice if wardens were a little more distinct from convokers but aside from that it's pretty easy to see which is which.

I guess I don't know what my problem is then. Every single time I make it to vaults I have trouble remembering both which name is associated with which deadly, game-ending effect, and which sprite is associated with which name. Maybe it's just because the "body" of the sprite is armor-colored on all of them, with only a colored cloak? I got nothing.

e: Now that they've been helpfully posted in one spot, preservers are definitely the best of them (and the only one I can recognize on sight). It'd be nice to have their color cover their entire body instead of just being on the fringes.

cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jul 22, 2014

# ? Jul 22, 2014 22:51

bisonbison: Jul 18, 2002

Preserver / Warden / Sentinel / Convoker / Guard

The names are very flavorful, but a bit obscure. Are the tiles built off a paperdoll or is that just an artifact of when you made them megame?

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:06

Arrhythmia: Jul 22, 2011

Friendly reminder to always worship Xom.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:10

Jeffrey of YOSPOS: Dec 22, 2005; GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

you gonna die

e: that gets more insane every time I read it

e2: pfft no robust

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:11

Kekekela: Oct 28, 2004

megane posted:

I guess I could make them more distinct, but I'd have to think about how.

For what its worth, I think they're fine as is.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:14

Arrhythmia: Jul 22, 2011

Jeffrey posted:

e2: pfft no robust

He legit just gave me that in a fight against Mara.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:19

Jeffrey of YOSPOS: Dec 22, 2005; GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Arrhythmia posted:

He legit just gave me that in a fight against Mara.

it's me I'm xom

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:28

Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; slightly amused

Vaults guards look perfectly fine to me. I've never had trouble telling any of them apart.

VVVV I play mutation roulette with basically every character and it usually goes terribly. I have no self control though so I just keep doing it because when it works its sooooooo good.

Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jul 22, 2014

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:31

Jazzimus Prime: May 16, 2002; The Brothers Autobot

Gah... everyone is doing the mutation roulette thing now, "always eat the purple", yada yada...

So for once I actually do try a mutation roulette on my character, and I get shoutitis and teleportitis and frail and a bunch of other bad mutations. I double down on the mutations hoping to reverse the worst ones, and things just keep getting worse and worse. I ended up converting from Trog to Zin because this guy sucks so much now, although he's somehow still alive at XL21.

If I can survive the Trog wrath and get to six Zin stars, this guy may become playable again.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:34

Not My Leg: Nov 6, 2002; AYN RAND AKBAR!

What's a good god for a KoHu? I really don't have much experience with hunters outside of Ogres, so I'm a little lost. I'm thinking either Oka, because finesse is always good and ammo gifts would be helpful, or Dith, because Kobolds are already super stealthy and my melee weapon will probably be a short blade anyway.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:36

Yngwie Mangosteen: Aug 23, 2007

My Djinni halfbreed DsIE.

Not My Leg posted:

What's a good god for a KoHu? I really don't have much experience with hunters outside of Ogres, so I'm a little lost. I'm thinking either Oka, because finesse is always good and ammo gifts would be helpful, or Dith, because Kobolds are already super stealthy and my melee weapon will probably be a short blade anyway.

Oka is the best choice, Dith would also be great, Fedhas, if you know how to use him, is good for hunters from what I hear, but I never figured him out. Trog wouldn't be awful either, berserk is powerful.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:41

Roctavian: Feb 23, 2011

bisonbison posted:

Preserver / Warden / Sentinel / Convoker / Guard

The names are very flavorful, but a bit obscure. Are the tiles built off a paperdoll or is that just an artifact of when you made them megame?

They're built from older existing tiles. If you track the vault guard tile back a few versions (one or two before the warden et al were added) the vault guard had a diapery-crotch guard and pillowy upper-body. I altered the original vault guard once, megane added several other elements and made the new monster tiles. The monster demigod, hell knight, and death knight are all based on the original Vault Guard tile.

# ? Jul 22, 2014 23:52

LogicNinja: Jan 21, 2011; ...the blur blurs blurringly across the blurred blur in a blur of blurring blurriness that blurred...

Does stabbing work with ranged weapons?

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:00

Arrhythmia: Jul 22, 2011

LogicNinja posted:

Does stabbing work with ranged weapons?

No, although bashing with a ranged weapon stabs if you have the boots of the assassin on.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:02

Inexplicable Humblebrag: Sep 20, 2003

Play a VpEn with the boots, wielding a +9 blowgun.

You hear a slurping noise.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:05

Jeffrey of YOSPOS: Dec 22, 2005; GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Arrhythmia posted:

No, although bashing with a ranged weapon stabs if you have the boots of the assassin on.

Does this work with anything wielded? Can I finally stab mara with bread like I've always dreamed of?

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:06

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

bisonbison posted:

Also:

Green orc = priest
Green elf = mage

Yeah, this is still something which I think would be way more clear+better if they aligned. There's not really a reason for them not to.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:50

Speleothing: May 6, 2008; Spare batteries are pretty key.

WRT the Vaults special monsters: I don't have trouble telling the tiles apart, its more a question of remembering which of warden/guard/sentinel do what. Preserver and Convoker are self-descriptive. And I guess in the back of my mind I know that Guards are the pure-melee. But it gets confusing which one marks and which one locks the doors.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:57

bisonbison: Jul 18, 2002

Preserver / Warden / Sentinel / Convoker / Guard
Shield / Jailer / Marker / Summoner / Guard

And just call them all Ironbrand.

# ? Jul 23, 2014 01:00

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

LogicNinja posted:

Does stabbing work with ranged weapons?

Only with blowguns.

bisonbison posted:

And just call them all Ironbrand.

Wouldn't that make things more confusing?

# ? Jul 23, 2014 01:04

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# ? May 11, 2024 07:18

Darox: Nov 10, 2012

Speleothing posted:

WRT the Vaults special monsters: I don't have trouble telling the tiles apart, its more a question of remembering which of warden/guard/sentinel do what. Preserver and Convoker are self-descriptive. And I guess in the back of my mind I know that Guards are the pure-melee. But it gets confusing which one marks and which one locks the doors.

There's a really easy system for dealing with vault guards. If he has got yellow he's dangerous, otherwise he's a faker. The other guards have colorful plumage to try and convince you of their threat but only the yellow ones have teeth.

More yellow = More danger

# ? Jul 23, 2014 01:15

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