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Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
What's up with the Chinese fear of "side-effects?" I know lots of Chinese people who refuse to take any medicine except as an absolute last resort out of a fear of unspecified side-effects.

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hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

"Don't you know? Traditional Chinese Medicine is wholesome and natural and safe! Who knows what's in those crazy chemical drugs!"

Cause? Hell if I know.

hong kong divorce lunch
Sep 20, 2005

Bloodnose posted:

What's up with the Chinese fear of "side-effects?" I know lots of Chinese people who refuse to take any medicine except as an absolute last resort out of a fear of unspecified side-effects.

Death is a side effect of life, dude...

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Getting better is a side effect, isn't it? Or, wait, what's the primary effect of medicinal drugs?

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
A really great high that you can coast on for days.

RocknRollaAyatollah
Nov 26, 2008

Lipstick Apathy
I can imagine that with poor regulation since the days of the Republic of China and Chinese doctors usually only having a 4 year degree, mistakes happen.

RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Aug 6, 2014

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
Fun little article on NPR a day ago about the Chinese (and other East Asians) eating loving Pangolins to extinction because according to our favorite thing ever, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Pangolin scales make you fart and lactate more or some bullshit. Oh and they're not farm raised so they're auspicious to eat during business deals or something.

Generally I try to be a pretty culturally sensitive person and at least try to see the nuance in something like TCM but you know what gently caress that poo poo, TCM is a goddamn plague upon this earth and if it were stomped out tomorrow with an iron boot I'd be applauding all the while.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Wouldn't you eventually get tired of applauding after a few hours?

Horatius Bonar
Sep 8, 2011

How are u posted:

Fun little article on NPR a day ago about the Chinese (and other East Asians) eating loving Pangolins to extinction because according to our favorite thing ever, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Pangolin scales make you fart and lactate more or some bullshit. Oh and they're not farm raised so they're auspicious to eat during business deals or something.

Generally I try to be a pretty culturally sensitive person and at least try to see the nuance in something like TCM but you know what gently caress that poo poo, TCM is a goddamn plague upon this earth and if it were stomped out tomorrow with an iron boot I'd be applauding all the while.

I believe it. I saw Pangolin on the English side of the menu in a restaurant in Vietnam. I only knew what it was because there was a picture of one in a PYF thread I'd seen a week before. I wonder how you eat it, it just looks aggressively inedible.
They also had porcupine.

hong kong divorce lunch
Sep 20, 2005
I shouldn't post on here, but this is great. The (HK) Communications Authority has blasted an RTHK special about the HKTV debacle and will take action against it. Not only is this going to remind everybody how hosed up and corrupt the Communications Authority is after the actual ordeal, but it's also loving dumb because nobody will have even heard of this special until they put their foot in it. I'm not sure if the government here is mentally ill or just stupid, but I think only one of those explanations fits and either way this city is hosed.

Edit: Apparently they hid this item behind 3 or 4 mundane issues to try to hide it. Jeez.

hong kong divorce lunch fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Aug 6, 2014

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Hmm... just opening that document. Let's take a look at what spurred the issue here...

:siren: HOLY gently caress THREE PEOPLE COMPLAINED :siren:

I wonder if those people were The Ghost of Run Run Shaw, Richard Li and Shadowy iCable Cabal.

At least the Communications Authority isn't actually doing anything. Their decision was "pay more attention to the regulations." So it doesn't seem like a big deal. Hopefully it just gets people angrier at the government and we get some fireworks at the end of August/Early September.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

hailthefish posted:

"Don't you know? Traditional Chinese Medicine is wholesome and natural and safe! Who knows what's in those crazy chemical drugs!"

Cause? Hell if I know.

God I hope the Portlanders don't/haven't learned about TCM anytime soon.

Chickenwalker
Apr 21, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
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Chickenwalker fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Mar 11, 2019

Abilifier
Apr 8, 2008

Chickenwalker posted:

Of course they already have. I've lived with two consecutive sets of dirty hippies trying to tell me about how dried tiger dick is good for my spleen.

What, really? Wouldn't hippies be interested in environmental conservation, and protecting endangered species?

hong kong divorce lunch
Sep 20, 2005
Goodnight everyone

Chickenwalker
Apr 21, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
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Chickenwalker fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Mar 11, 2019

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Abilifier posted:

What, really? Wouldn't hippies be interested in environmental conservation, and protecting endangered species?

There is a strong correlation between distrust of one's national-level political institution and distrust of all institutions. That and hippies are apt to hold FYGM views as anyone else. No, see, this tigerdick cured my son's autism! What do you mean, did I get it diagnosed professionally? I turned to WebMD.

E:
Soon enough, I expect Ebola Virus will provide an impetus to culturally change that behavior. There's a sound epidemiological reason why street excrementation should be shamed to cultural extinction.
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My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Aug 7, 2014

Modus Operandi
Oct 5, 2010
So have any China expats here tested the limits of street pissing/making GBS threads yet? Like just run over to a street light in broad daylight hike your leg up and piss all over it like a dog.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Oh when foreigners do it it's proof of how barbaric and shameless they are.

Daduzi
Nov 22, 2005

You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun.

Modus Operandi posted:

So have any China expats here tested the limits of street pissing/making GBS threads yet? Like just run over to a street light in broad daylight hike your leg up and piss all over it like a dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Rq9ontNwc

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
He says Hong Kongers should get over the street pissing. Downvoted.

My rebuttal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJeE0P2Bb8w

Modus Operandi
Oct 5, 2010

Well, I guess that answered it. People in China are consistent in just not giving a gently caress.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Holy gently caress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rytAwkfzXBA

gently caress you, Information Services Department.

hong kong divorce lunch
Sep 20, 2005

Bloodnose posted:

Holy gently caress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rytAwkfzXBA

gently caress you, Information Services Department.

The gloves are off. There is no (Feigned) neutrality anymore. Either the central government is really scared or thinks they can get the knockout punch.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Trying to catch up on this week's Economist before next week's comes out tomorrow, I just endured this excruciating letter from the Chinese embassy in London.

The Hurt Feelings of the Chinese People posted:

SIR – “No panderers, please” and “Tamed hounds” (July 19th) misinterpreted the Chinese government’s policy on Hong Kong. Both articles accused the Chinese government of oppressing press and religious freedoms in Hong Kong and exerting influence over its political-reform process. Yet the truth is, since Hong Kong’s return 17 years ago, the principle of “one country, two systems” has been implemented earnestly and the rights and freedoms of Hong Kong residents guaranteed to the fullest extent.

According to the Basic Law and the decisions of the standing committee of the National People’s Congress, by 2017 a chief executive will be elected through universal suffrage, from a pool of candidates nominated by a broadly representative nominating committee through democratic procedures. The government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region is steadily moving the lawful process forward.

The Chinese government’s white paper on Hong Kong did nothing more than expound long-standing policies. Nothing in the document runs counter to the Basic Law. The paper also reaffirmed Hong Kong’s independent judicial power. Your claims that the autonomy guaranteed by the Basic Law may be eroded and that the white paper is a threat to judicial independence are untenable.

As for calling on the British government to “confront” China over Hong Kong, mutual respect and non-interference in internal affairs of other countries are basic norms governing international relations. They also underpin the steady growth of China-Britain relations. Hong Kong is a special administrative region of China. Hong Kong’s affairs are purely China’s internal affairs. The Chinese government is against any outside interference by any means.

Miao Deyu
Spokesman of the Chinese embassy
London

I think I just won Chinese Position on Hong Kong BINGO

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

Any ideas on what the new WeChat crackdown will mean for foreigners (with the required real name etc)?

quote:

"A few people are using the platforms to disseminate information related to terrorism, violence and pornography as well as slander and rumors," said Jiang Jun, spokesman of the SIIO. "Such behaviors have raised bitter feelings among netizens."

Xinhua source

angel opportunity
Sep 7, 2004

Total Eclipse of the Heart

quote:

Authorities believe the regulation will help protect citizens' legitimate rights to freedom of speech.

"Some people are damaging other people's rights and interests and public security in the name of freedom of speech," Xu Feng, head of mobile internet management at the SIIO said.

"The regulation will promote the quality of instant messaging services to ensure that citizens enjoy the convenience of such services. This is the true freedom of speech."

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

In an attempt to make this thread not terrible but also not about three people from HK complaining about the Chinese government in between the same three people complaining about the HK government, have some interesting articles from Bill Bishop's Sinocism news roundup:


"Chinese Coal Industry Are Jerks, Not Following Laws" Greenpeace reports, shocking no one

quote:

By combining evidence gathered on seven separate trips to the remote region with satellite images and analysis by legal experts, Greenpeace campaigners have established that the coal development, run by a group of private companies, violates a number of water protection laws and local nature reserve regulations.

Its location right at the heart of the Qinghai-Tibet plateau - known as China’s "water tower" for being the birthplace of some of the country’s major rivers - will raise fresh concerns about the impact of coal mining on the country’s water resources.

The mining operation, first started in 2003, has destroyed the pristine alpine meadows linking the glaciers on the Qinghai Mountains to the plateau, cutting off the channel feeding rainfall and melt water to the rivers.

This investigation is the latest in a series of reports by Greenpeace East Asia exposing the huge strain the coal industry is putting on the country’s waters. Greenpeace research has shown that government plans to boost coal production by building 16 coal industry hubs that will consume nearly 10 billion cubic meters of water, the equivalent of one sixth of the Yellow River’s water volume.

The study also estimates that in 2015, the water demand of coal power bases in Inner Mongolia, Shaanxi, Shanxi and Ningxia will either severely challenge or exceed the respective areas’ total industrial water supply capacity.

"China will create own Christian belief system," says official, "LMAO."

quote:

China will construct a "Chinese Christian theology" suitable for the country, state media reported on Thursday, as both the number of believers and tensions with the authorities are on the rise. China has between 23 million and 40 million Protestants, accounting for 1.7 to 2.9 per cent of the total population, the state-run China Daily said, citing figures given at a seminar in Shanghai.

[...]the paper quoted Wang Zuoan, director of the State Administration for Religious Affairs, as saying.

"The construction of Chinese Christian theology should adapt to China's national condition and integrate with Chinese culture."

China's ruling Communist Party is officially atheistic and keeps a tight grip on religion for fear it could challenge its grip on power. It requires believers to worship in places approved by the state and under government supervision.

Besides officially sanctioned churches, China also has "underground" or "house" churches which seek to exist outside government control and are occasionally raided and shut down.

In April, authorities in the eastern Chinese city of Wenzhou, known as China's Jerusalem, with more than a million Christians, demolished a church following government claims it was an illegal structure.

PRC regulators to foreign multinationals: "Get owned."

quote:

“As the current administrative reforms deepen, the NDRC fears it might lose the power to carry out anti-monopoly investigations so it is pushing these high-profile investigations of foreign companies,” says Liu Xu, a researcher at the intellectual property and competition law research centre of Tongji University in Shanghai. Mr Liu points out that the NDRC has also investigated quite a few domestic companies but does not publicise those cases, which are often resolved by negotiation between the NDRC and agencies or powerful party leaders with close ties to the targeted companies. In this context, foreign companies are easier and more effective scapegoats since they usually do not have Communist Party elders to protect them and punishing them can have a powerful deterrent effect on entire sectors.

Recent grads still make less than migrant workers

quote:

According to a new survey conducted by Peking University, more than one-third of recent Chinese graduates continue to live off their parents. A still-greater number are failing to save any money, the survey found, with 40% reporting that they live paycheck to paycheck. The survey, which covered some 350,000 respondents, found that students graduating nationwide this year had an average monthly salary of 2,443 yuan ($396) — approximately enough to buy half of an iPhone in China, as the Beijing Youth Daily put it. The figure marked an increase of 324 yuan from the previous year. In big cities such as Beijing, figures were slightly higher, with recent graduates commanding an average starting salary of 3,019 yuan.

State media outlets tussel with netizens and each other over noodle story

quote:

The news of muddy water instant noodles was first published by Global Times, a pro-Beijing Chinese tabloid with government background. By applauding how the PLA soldiers have “eaten bitterness” and endured hardship in disaster relief efforts, the piece was meant to be a classic propaganda piece commonly seen in disaster reporting in China to boost patriotism. It sounds exactly like something one’d read from People’s Daily 30 years ago. But China isn’t what it was 30 years ago.

Instead of patriotism, the article drew waves of questions and criticism: “It’s 2014, and our soldiers are still drinking muddy water during mission. How can we trust such a military force to defend our country during war?” “Water filters and tablets are technologies of the last century, and yet our soldiers are still cooking with muddy water in 2014. Where do the millions of military expenses go?” “What to applaud when the lives of our soldier are put at the risk of unclean drinking water in the field?”

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Aug 7, 2014

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP
Uh, so what exactly is the "limited access" for Wechat? It's kind of important that I use it for the near term.

hong kong divorce lunch
Sep 20, 2005

Bloodnose posted:

Trying to catch up on this week's Economist before next week's comes out tomorrow, I just endured this excruciating letter from the Chinese embassy in London.


I think I just won Chinese Position on Hong Kong BINGO

I remember the British signed a joint document with certain agreements, but I guess that doesn't matter.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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:backtowork:
What? It's called the Sino-Sino Unilateral Declaration for a reason. HK is purely internal Chinese affairs and furthermore

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

computer parts posted:

Uh, so what exactly is the "limited access" for Wechat? It's kind of important that I use it for the near term.

Do you have a public account? I imagine Wechat is fighting this one tooth and nail so I don't think they are actually going to make 100% of users re-register when the authorities are likely looking to target a subset of influential users.

hong kong divorce lunch
Sep 20, 2005
Can't think of many other countries whose entire foreign policy is bully the smaller kids then cry like a baby when anything remotely against your aims or progress occurs.

Chickenwalker
Apr 21, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
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Chickenwalker fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Mar 11, 2019

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Mar 23, 2021

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

sincx posted:

I think most countries do this in some format. China is just incredibly stupidly obvious about this.

Yeah, the US does that all of the time with "Chinese industrial espionage" and then the NSA.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Haha, holy poo poo, how naive can you get.

"Hmm, let's drum up patriotic fervor for the PLA, but how? Oh, show them using muddy water to eat and drink as proof of how stalwart and tough they are!"

Everyone else: "Where is all the money for the PLA going if they still have to use muddy water?"

"THE STORY IS FILTHY PROPAGANDA LIES IT NEVER HAPPENED"
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-china-quake-muddy-noodles-army-20140807-story.html

quote:

The story quoted an unnamed official, said to be in charge of the rescue forces, saying the incident didn’t happen and it was not logical for the rescue forces to do such a thing. “No matter who boils water, they’ll always try to use water that is clean,” said the official.

But journalists from China National Radio who witnessed the whole process stood by their reporting -- even posting a video proving the soldiers indeed used muddy water to boil noodles on their first day in the quake zone.

Global Times was forced to remove its story, and the editor responsible issued an apology through his personal Weibo account.

hong kong divorce lunch
Sep 20, 2005

sincx posted:

I think most countries do this in some format. China is just incredibly stupidly obvious about this.

Yeah so it doesn't look like whining. China literally whines.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Well other countries actually have defined foreign policies enacted by unified governments. China has a bunch of high ranking party members who pretty much independently try to get as much graft money for themselves as possible while trying to avoid public scrutiny. It's Kremlinology 2.0, except this time the country is actually integrated with the outside world and not shut off.

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whatever7
Jul 26, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Slide in Hong Kong’s retail sales continues in June with 6.9pc drop

quote:

The grim performance of Hong Kong's retail sales continued in June, producing the worst first-half showing since 2009.

The government's monthly statistics released yesterday showed that sales revenue declined in June for the fifth month in a row, dragged down by a continued plunge in demand for luxury goods.

An economist said he expected the woes in the sector to continue amid President Xi Jinping's anti-graft drive on the mainland.

Total retail sales in June decreased by 6.9 per cent year on year to HK$37.1 billion. That was a larger decline than in May, when sales dropped 3.9 per cent from a year ago.

The value of sales of jewellery, timepieces and valuable gifts decreased 28.2 per cent in June from the same period last year. Sales of commodities in department stores dropped 3.6 per cent from a year ago.

Retail sales experienced their worst month in April when sales of luxury goods dropped almost 40 per cent year on year, a fall attritubet to sluggish spending by mainlanders.

Tim Condon, ING Asia chief economist for Asia, said he expected the collapse of luxury sales to continue in view of Xi's anti-corruption drive and the announcement this week that former security chief Zhou Yongkang was under investigation for corruption.

Condon said the slide would not go on indefinitely, but that the market could not be expected to stabilise before the end of this year.

For the first six months as a whole, retail sales decreased 1.3 per cent - the worst first-half performance since 2009, during the global financial crisis.



The Hong Kong Retail Management Association attributed the "below expectation" sales to unstable weather, sluggish growth in mainland visits and spending, and the World Cup in Brazil distracting people from their shopping.

Bank of East Asia chief economist Paul Tang Sai-on said the drop in department store sales on top of jewellery sales indicated a general weakening in the purchasing power of tourists.

Industry groups and analysts maintain a cautious outlook.

The retail association predicted sales remaining soft in July and single-digit growth for the summer.

Tang expected a decrease or single-digit growth for July and August.



This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as Slide in city's retail sales continues with 6.9pc drop

I guess both mainlanders and Hong Kongers are happy now that they will see less of each other. I was told ordering on taobao and get the item mailed from Japan or US directly is the new trendy thing.

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