[Mafia] Dwarf-fia: Lynching is Fun!

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The Science of Suck: Mar 17, 2009

So your result is either dwarf or other?

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:04

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bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

If they don't like beer I'd lynch them regardless

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:04

The Science of Suck: Mar 17, 2009

##vote capps

Tell us about the levers, and take the hammerer vote off so the unjanitoring theory can be tested imo

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:08

give head or get dead: Feb 16, 2010

i literally have a single result to go on, which is other :ghost:

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:08

Somberbrero: Feb 14, 2009; ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

Philip J. Fry posted:

If fry is town, there's no way scum kill him so unless we really start kickin rear end he's going to be around in lylo. That seems like a really really bad scenario.

because this is also true

guys there are a lot of mechanics being taken for granted over an undisputed doctor claim. we don't fully know how grandi's role works, we don't fully know how betrayer's role worked, and we sure don't know if there's a role that screws with investigations.

it's weird that there's a backup cop instead of an alternate-night cop like there is with the doctor.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:11

Somberbrero: Feb 14, 2009; ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

I seriously don't think I've ever seen a scum claim doctor. Have you? Think about it.

Providing odd-night doctor as a fakeclaim would give a huge amount of extra information to scum too.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:12

Juanito: Jan 20, 2004; I wasn't paying attention
to what you just said.

Can you repeat yourself
in a more interesting way?; Hell Gem

I hope the bastard mod pulls a lever and we all die in a fire

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:12

Somberbrero: Feb 14, 2009; ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

grandi when I die, please don't bring me back to this game.

Hey speaking of anti-town roles, Grandi roleblocked me. Why did we never address that?

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:13

Juanito: Jan 20, 2004; I wasn't paying attention
to what you just said.

Can you repeat yourself
in a more interesting way?; Hell Gem

Somberbrero posted:

grandi when I die, please don't bring me back to this game.

Hey speaking of anti-town roles, Grandi roleblocked me. Why did we never address that?

Because Grandi has actually been open about his role, and wasn't cryptic about anything

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:14

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Somberbrero posted:

I seriously don't think I've ever seen a scum claim doctor. Have you? Think about it.

Providing odd-night doctor as a fakeclaim would give a huge amount of extra information to scum too.

Claiming Doc as scum is a pretty good idea

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:15

give head or get dead: Feb 16, 2010

Somberbrero posted:

I seriously don't think I've ever seen a scum claim doctor. Have you? Think about it.

Providing odd-night doctor as a fakeclaim would give a huge amount of extra information to scum too.

I have been in three games that included a doctor that wasn't town aligned, including Dr Cox :ghost:

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:16

Philip J. Fry: Jan 3, 2009; What smells like blue?

Somberbrero posted:

grandi when I die, please don't bring me back to this game.

Hey speaking of anti-town roles, Grandi roleblocked me. Why did we never address that?

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh what are you talking about I dont even remember this

Somberbrero posted:

because this is also true

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:16

Somberbrero: Feb 14, 2009; ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

bowmore posted:

Claiming Doc as scum is a pretty good idea

can you expand on this for my future use?

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:21

Opopanax: Aug 8, 2007; I HEX YE!!!

Somberbrero posted:

I seriously don't think I've ever seen a scum claim doctor. Have you? Think about it.

I have.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:22

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Somberbrero posted:

can you expand on this for my future use?

Doctors need to look a bit scummy so they don't get night killed and can attempt to protect the town up until lylo so they usually play a fine line game

also people are hesitant to lynch them

that's my take on it anyway

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:24

Somberbrero: Feb 14, 2009; ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

I'm old and I don't understand anything anymore.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:27

Philip J. Fry: Jan 3, 2009; What smells like blue?

Somberbrero posted:

I'm old and I don't understand anything anymore.

I can take you out Old Yeller style if you want :cry:

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:30

Somberbrero: Feb 14, 2009; ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

bowmore posted:

Doctors need to look a bit scummy so they don't get night killed and can attempt to protect the town up until lylo so they usually play a fine line game

also people are hesitant to lynch them

that's my take on it anyway

they're hesitant until there's a counter-claim!

also acting scummy/being scum are different things

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:36

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Somberbrero posted:

also acting scummy/being scum are different things

ehhh not really otherwise this game wouldn't work

# ? Aug 6, 2014 04:42

tearshed: Mar 26, 2010; Leave it to me!

I think I'm going to admit defeat and say I believe BNs claim, at least. Still not sure about Somber. Nobody is opposed to an AC lynch and I think that's the better lynch regardless of Somber's true alignment.

##vote AC, like I posted that list and nobody said "nah AC is town". Can we agree here?

# ? Aug 6, 2014 05:33

Somberbrero: Feb 14, 2009; ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

BN I really hope you're just going out of your way to gently caress with me because that's honestly the funniest conceivable outcome.

##unvote ##vote AC

# ? Aug 6, 2014 06:33

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

tearshed posted:

I think I'm going to admit defeat and say I believe BNs claim, at least. Still not sure about Somber. Nobody is opposed to an AC lynch and I think that's the better lynch regardless of Somber's true alignment.

##vote AC, like I posted that list and nobody said "nah AC is town". Can we agree here?

is this post scummy as hell

yes

# ? Aug 6, 2014 06:40

The Science of Suck: Mar 17, 2009

tearshed posted:

I think I'm going to admit defeat and say I believe BNs claim, at least. Still not sure about Somber. Nobody is opposed to an AC lynch and I think that's the better lynch regardless of Somber's true alignment.

##vote AC, like I posted that list and nobody said "nah AC is town". Can we agree here?

Hahaha what happened to 100% Somber is town like you said earlier? And for reasons other than you thought big nothing was lying?

# ? Aug 6, 2014 12:15

Philip J. Fry: Jan 3, 2009; What smells like blue?

tearshed posted:

I think I'm going to admit defeat and say I believe BNs claim, at least. Still not sure about Somber. Nobody is opposed to an AC lynch and I think that's the better lynch regardless of Somber's true alignment.

##vote AC, like I posted that list and nobody said "nah AC is town". Can we agree here?

##vote tearshed

"I'm going to believe the cop claim but I'm not going to vote the guy he's fingered.

Also, I'm going to go and vote someone who appears to be a super easy lynch and distract everyone away from lynching the guy I now believe to be aligned against town."

dude, weak

# ? Aug 6, 2014 13:39

tearshed: Mar 26, 2010; Leave it to me!

The Science of Suck posted:

Hahaha what happened to 100% Somber is town like you said earlier? And for reasons other than you thought big nothing was lying?

I still believe that Somber is a Good Guy. I didn't believe BN's claim earlier. Now I do.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 13:41

Philip J. Fry: Jan 3, 2009; What smells like blue?

tearshed posted:

I still believe that Somber is a Good Guy. I didn't believe BN's claim earlier. Now I do.

So what? A busdriver/framer/inverter/whateverthefuck?

# ? Aug 6, 2014 13:45

The Science of Suck: Mar 17, 2009

I think there's stuff messing with this game. Some janitored flips, some not. Kill flavor disappearing. The levers capps mentioned having seem like a likely cause. Read his posts about setup speculation.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 13:51

tearshed: Mar 26, 2010; Leave it to me!

Philip J. Fry posted:

So what? A busdriver/framer/inverter/whateverthefuck?

Well Somber -did- claim Doc on D4, and now it's D5. Possible that the scum have a framer and used it last night on him.

My wincon is to eliminate threats to the fortress. I don't see Somber as a threat regardless of his two possible alignments. He is a) Town (probably the odd doc) or b) Other (but no proof of being a threat).

# ? Aug 6, 2014 13:52

apostateCourier: Oct 9, 2012

Somberbrero posted:

I don't know what your deal is, other than that you are ostensibly town, but I know that I am town and there is little reason to the contrary unless you are playing this game from inside of your butthole. An inverter is my best guess here because I have no clue otherwise, presuming you aren't lying for some reason.

AC is fine by me, waiting for a claim.

I have two votes on me. No. If you're going to make a mistake on me, fine, but don't drag information out of me before it's needed.

tearshed posted:

I think I'm going to admit defeat and say I believe BNs claim, at least. Still not sure about Somber. Nobody is opposed to an AC lynch and I think that's the better lynch regardless of Somber's true alignment.

##vote AC, like I posted that list and nobody said "nah AC is town". Can we agree here?

"derpdeder, the cop claim's legit but let me tell you why we should vote for someone else"
Alternately,
"Let's completely ignore this new information that I think is true so we can vote for this other guy"

tearshed posted:

Well Somber -did- claim Doc on D4, and now it's D5. Possible that the scum have a framer and used it last night on him.

My wincon is to eliminate threats to the fortress. I don't see Somber as a threat regardless of his two possible alignments. He is a) Town (probably the odd doc) or b) Other (but no proof of being a threat).

"Other" in this case meaning non-dwarf, look at

Big Nothing posted:

How PM tied cop flavour into a game about dwarves. Only brewers can make beer, and obviously dwarves love beer so its easy to see if somebody is a dwarf or not by their reaction to free beer!. Once the brewer dies, the farmer is the only person that knows the lucrative secret to brewing the perfect dwarven stout!

This post. "Other" just means "not dwarf." "Other" does not mean "benign third party," it means "not town." Bringing up your wincon is pointless- it's literally adding "I'm town" before "and this is what I think." It's a scummy thing to do. I also don't like the "NO PROOF OF BEING A THREAT" line.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 14:15

Philip J. Fry: Jan 3, 2009; What smells like blue?

tearshed posted:

Well Somber -did- claim Doc on D4, and now it's D5. Possible that the scum have a framer and used it last night on him.

My wincon is to eliminate threats to the fortress. I don't see Somber as a threat regardless of his two possible alignments. He is a) Town (probably the odd doc) or b) Other (but no proof of being a threat).

BN hasn't stated when he investigated Somber so I don't understand why you're assuming it was last night. It's way more likely that it was night 3, especially since I don't think stumps can use powers (not 100% on this)

How do you not see a threat from a player who has been investigated as not-town but is claiming town. I don't understand. AND why are you just deciding that he can't actually be scum? We've had two investigation results and they've both been "other."

You're working really hard to make this game fit your logic, not the other way around.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 14:18

tearshed: Mar 26, 2010; Leave it to me!

Philip J. Fry posted:

How do you not see a threat from a player who has been investigated as not-town but is claiming town. I don't understand. AND why are you just deciding that he can't actually be scum? We've had two investigation results and they've both been "other."

You're working really hard to make this game fit your logic, not the other way around.

Poison Mushroom posted:

[*] Dwarves win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
[*] Nobles claim to be aligned with Town, but who knows what they're actually up to?
[*] Scum wins when they comprise at least 50% of the population, and no other groups who could control their dominance remain.
[*] Any other alignment will have self-aligned win conditions. None will prematurely end the game, however.

Poison Mushroom posted:

Hal Incandenza, Dead, Self-Aligned Thief

Jefepato, Dead, Scum-Aligned Ninja

Rascyc, Dead, Town-Aligned Even-Night Doctor

ThirdEmperor, Dead, Noble-Aligned Jailor

# ? Aug 6, 2014 16:52

tearshed: Mar 26, 2010; Leave it to me!

Philip J. Fry posted:

BN hasn't stated when he investigated Somber so I don't understand why you're assuming it was last night. It's way more likely that it was night 3, especially since I don't think stumps can use powers (not 100% on this)

I had no idea when BN was killed but looking back at the flips, he was killed N3. And BN said he investigated Somber the night he died.

Big Nothing posted:

I'm a backup cop btw. I got activated after Meds died, still got a investigation off on before i died, and Somb is definitely Other Aligned. Please vote for this traitor!

BN can you please clarify if your result was self-aligned, or simply "other".

# ? Aug 6, 2014 16:52

tearshed: Mar 26, 2010; Leave it to me!

If you were the True odd-night doctor, and a scum/unknown claimed your role, you would counter claim right?

But would you counter claim against someone who was investigated as 3p? I'm not sure.

Somber could be a 3P and claimed Odd-night doctor, and the true Odd-night doctor isn't counter-claiming because he doesn't want to throw his role/life away just to lynch a 3P when he could save it to counter-claim a scum. This is a big barrier stopping me from considering Somber as a bad guy. Help.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 16:57

Juanito: Jan 20, 2004; I wasn't paying attention
to what you just said.

Can you repeat yourself
in a more interesting way?; Hell Gem

I don't believe Somber would make up odd doctor, it's too ridiculous and it would be easy to get caught.

But from the OP:

Poison Mushroom posted:

Fakeclaims will be provided with the Role PM for all non-Town.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 17:03

The Science of Suck: Mar 17, 2009

Aren't fake claims usually flavor-related? Telling scum that a role is available as a fake claim makes the game easier for them.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 17:11

The Science of Suck: Mar 17, 2009

Even if Somber is lying there might not be an odd doc to counter

# ? Aug 6, 2014 17:15

Philip J. Fry: Jan 3, 2009; What smells like blue?

The Science of Suck posted:

Aren't fake claims usually flavor-related? Telling scum that a role is available as a fake claim makes the game easier for them.

I've seen this done before, though in this case it's even more so since there's an odd and even doc (probably).

# ? Aug 6, 2014 17:16

tearshed: Mar 26, 2010; Leave it to me!

I think I'm about to give. Let's say we lynch somber today, what does tomorrow look like? Sorry for the exhausting day.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 17:17

Philip J. Fry: Jan 3, 2009; What smells like blue?

tearshed posted:

I think I'm about to give. Let's say we lynch somber today, what does tomorrow look like? Sorry for the exhausting day.

You mean if we mislynch today? 3 scum, 10 alive (assuming single kill tonight). We can get the lynch wrong once more if there's one kill every night.

# ? Aug 6, 2014 17:25

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The Science of Suck: Mar 17, 2009

I don't have any compelling reason not to lynch Somber, just doubts based on setup speculation

# ? Aug 6, 2014 17:27

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