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I would sacrifice a goat to trade Ron Washington for Francona.
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Sorry, Ron Washington just signed that goat and he's batting DH tonight.
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People bitching about Washington/Matheny as a manager I kind of get, because frankly their actions can hinder extremely well-constructed teams. Neither of them are as mind-bogglingly stupid as Robin Ventura, who has somehow slid under the radar for three years because Jerry Reinsdorf loves him. That said, any Yankee fans who bitch about Cashman or Giants fans who bitch about Sabean need to be fired into the sun.
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Pat Clements posted:People bitching about Washington/Matheny as a manager I kind of get, because frankly their actions can hinder extremely well-constructed teams. Neither of them are as mind-bogglingly stupid as Robin Ventura, who has somehow slid under the radar for three years because Jerry Reinsdorf loves him. Nobody is stupider than Wash and I'll duel you if you besmirch him in that way again.
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New Concept Hole posted:Still can't believe his name's not pronounced "chohn". It's actually pronounced "Farv".
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Pat Clements posted:People bitching about Washington/Matheny as a manager I kind of get, because frankly their actions can hinder extremely well-constructed teams. Neither of them are as mind-bogglingly stupid as Robin Ventura, who has somehow slid under the radar for three years because Jerry Reinsdorf loves him. The best manager in baseball wouldn't make the White Sox a playoff team right now. Ron Washington literally cost his team the 2011 World Series. tarlibone posted:I can understand it. But really, what were the choices? Terry Francona's ignoble end in Boston all but excluded him from serious consideration, and the club was probably never considering Cubs legend Ryne Sandberg seriously. Personally, I was hoping Oquendo would be named manager, given his experience with the team as both a player and a coach. And I'm still not sure why he was passed over. I'm fine with the experiment. It seemed like a good idea at the time. I was excited about Matheny, and I figured he'd be a good leader and the team was good enough he could learn on the job. I liked the idea that the manager would clearly be junior to Mozeliak, who I think is a great GM and had to share power with TLR, sometimes with significant problems (see: Chris Duncan for Julio Lugo) Except...he hasn't learned on the job. The Cardinals are in 1st place right now if a non-moron manager is at the helm. I don't ask much. Just the ability to learn from mistakes. But when Trevor Rosenthal appears for the 3290239th game in a row when Pat Neshek is just chillin' in the bullpen, and you watch the team blow it...it's rather frustrating. And if your principal argument for defending Matheny is "Three years ago, he wasn't such a bad choice," that is pretty damning of Mike Matheny in TYOOL 2014. FairGame fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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Aug 7, 2014 01:42
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I hate mike matheny
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Cubs DFA'd Schierholtz and activated Fujikawa because Schierholtz is no longer capable of playing major league baseball. Junior Lake, however, still roams amongst us.
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Aug 7, 2014 01:52
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Aww but Schierholtz was hella cool.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Aww but Schierholtz was hella cool. Only on the Cubs would a guy hitting .192/.240/.300 amass 341 plate appearances.
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Pat Clements posted:People bitching about Washington/Matheny as a manager I kind of get, because frankly their actions can hinder extremely well-constructed teams. Neither of them are as mind-bogglingly stupid as Robin Ventura, who has somehow slid under the radar for three years because Jerry Reinsdorf loves him. I don't get the segue here. Managers vs GMs? Robin Ventura wasn't hired as a guy who would be good at any aspect of game strategy. He was hired because he was the polar opposite of Ozzie Guillen in terms of player personality management and media relations. Which may or may not be A Thing regarding a ballclub's ability to win. But yeah he's absolutely terrible at determining what to do with players during the actual games. The only decision he's made that I 100% applaud is put Adam Dunn in when the Sox were down 15 in the 9th.
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tarlibone posted:Now wait... I'm starting to get the impression that there are people out there who don't like Mike Matheny. Tarlibone, just out of curiosity, how old are you?
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Pander posted:I don't get the segue here. Managers vs GMs?
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R.D. Mangles posted:Only on the Cubs would a guy hitting .192/.240/.300 amass 341 plate appearances. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mathije01.shtml Not quite 341, but...
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tatankatonk posted:Tarlibone, just out of curiosity, how old are you? I spent my formative years learning to love Whiteyball, and my teenage years (and beyond) listening to fans older than me complain about anyone who managed the Cards who wasn't named Whitey Herzog. That's about as specific as I want to get. I do hold the distinction of being the only guy in Cardinal Nation who was sad to see Joe Torre get fired.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Sorry, Ron Washington just signed that goat and he's batting DH tonight. Don't be silly - you know Andrus is DHing and the goat is playing short.
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uggy posted:I hate mike matheny Is there a YOUR MANAGER SUCKS blog? Because I feel like it'd be a really therapeutic thing to read during the day.
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tarlibone posted:Cardinal Nation
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The Pussy Boss posted:Don't be silly - you know Andrus is DHing and the goat is playing short. The goat just sac bunted in the third inning while down 4.
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Aug 7, 2014 02:12
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If that goat were on the Tigers he'd have just been traded for David Price.
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Pat Clements posted:That said, any Yankee fans who bitch about Cashman or Giants fans who bitch about Sabean need to be fired into the sun. I may just be looking in the wrong places, but I never hear of Yankee fans complaining about Cashman. I certainly don't. R.D. Mangles posted:Junior Lake, however, still roams amongst us. I have always believed that he has an 80 name tool, so that could be it.
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FairGame posted:
No, hiring a guy with literally 0 coaching experience was super dumb at the time too.
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MourningView posted:No, hiring a guy with literally 0 coaching experience was super dumb at the time too. He had coaching experience, coaching on the field.
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MassaShowtime posted:He had coaching experience, coaching on the field. His qualifications were basically "got called a smart player a lot due to being a historically awful hitter who kept getting at bats"
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Supposedly the Cubs claimed Jacob Turner on waivers. And tonight Shawon Dunston Jr. was pulled from his game at Kane County and seen talking to two Cubs officials. Make of this what you will.
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MourningView posted:No, hiring a guy with literally 0 coaching experience was super dumb at the time too. I honestly figured "well, he knows personnel management from being a catcher, and it's not like baseball strategy is all that complex; he'll figure that stuff out as he goes." In hindsight, yes, you're absolutely right.
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I'm trying to think of any player in any sport that I'd just hire even if he had no coaching experience and all I can come up with is Peyton Manning and that's because he's basically been his own coach for like 10 years.
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R.D. Mangles posted:Cubs DFA'd Schierholtz and activated Fujikawa because Schierholtz is no longer capable of playing major league baseball. Junior Lake, however, still roams amongst us. He's there to show the younger hitters what will happen to them if they don't learn pitch recognition.
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uggy posted:I hate mike matheny Could he be any worse than Dusty Baker was his last couple of years with the Cubs?
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The thing I've always loved about this is that the Browns actually won that game 5-3. They lost the next 6 under their regular manager.
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Tedd_Not_Ed posted:The thing I've always loved about this is that the Browns actually won that game 5-3. They lost the next 6 under their regular manager. It seems kinda counter-productive for some signs, like "surprise squeeze"
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So I'm going to my first Cubs home game on August 21st. I've heard that Wrigleyville is absolutely terrible, so I'm thinking about pre-gaming at DryHop and then heading to the ballpark when the gates open. Any suggestions on things to do around the area before/after the game? And uh, did I do well by buying tickets in section 110? Excited to see Wrigley and laugh at how bad the Cubs are in person.
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I'll add Ryne Sandberg to the bad managers pile. You just have to look at his lineup. Ryan Howard, who hasn't hit since 2011, still batting 4th every loving game. Which is made worse because he's hitting after Utley so it's two lefties batting back to back. And Byrd who is a righty and maybe the best hitter on the team bats 5th every game, so it's not like there's a difficult solution to that. Also Revere is a lovely hitter but bats leadoff every game while Carlos Ruiz who has a .372 OBP over the last 5 years bats 7th. And yes Charlie Manuel did all the same stuff, he was lovely too.
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The fact that so many managers suck at lineup construction astounds me. edit: i know it's not that big of a deal over a full season or whatever that article said but it still seems like something super easy to optimize and this is a multi billion dollar business. it's just mind boggling
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uggy posted:The fact that so many managers suck at lineup construction astounds me. Managers are literally incapable of having someone go on BBref/FG/any baseball site, go to their team page, and organize their lineup by OBP/check individual splits/etc. And that's just the tools that are publicly available.
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Senf posted:I've heard that Wrigleyville is absolutely terrible Wrigleyville is actually pretty nice and cool
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