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It's also cool as hell how it evolves the more you watch it. My first run I felt like I got it, and to a point I did, and on subsequent watches I've seen lots to either support or demolish what I thought I knew.
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Having finished Volume 10 of the manga, my view of Manga Kaworu vs. Anime Kaworu is that they are two sides of the same coin. My interpretation of Kaworu in the anime, which could very well be totally wrong for all I know, is that it was his purely kind nature that helped him and Shinji get so close. He was the one person who didn't "exploit" Shinji in any way and that was because he wasn't human. He lacked that inherent self-interest that exists in all of us, no matter how nice we are. His affection for Shinji was more genuine than any human ever could manage. But in the manga, the opposite is true. Being alien is not a benefit but a hindrance. He simply cannot think like humans do or understand concepts humans take for granted. His calling Rei a fool for sacrificing her life is a good example. I also used the word "exploit" earlier because Manga Shinji specifically calls out Kaworu for "exploiting me just like everyone else does." This seems to me to be an intentional contrast with the anime. At the end of the day, Anime Kaworu represents all the pros that come from not being shackled to human frailty. Manga Kaworu meanwhile expresses the cons of this as he lacks the positive traits of being human. In either case it looks like him growing closer to Shinji is what helps him understand the human heart as he's noticeably less composed and more upset after Shinji starts living with him for a bit. He's beginning to understand human emotions thanks to Rei's sacrifice and Shinji's presence.
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Guess we're not getting Robin Williams as Gendo now...
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Zeruel posted:Guess we're not getting Robin Williams as Gendo now... Great, another reason for me to be horribly depressed about his death. Thanks a lot.
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Zeruel posted:Guess we're not getting Robin Williams as Gendo now... Honestly the worst part about Robin kicking it
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Aug 12, 2014 05:33
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Apparently he struggled a lot with depression. Maybe that's why he was a fan of Evangelion.
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Truly, the curse of Eva.
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Zeruel posted:Truly, the curse of Eva. Curse of life tbh, always thought that was the meaning of Misatos line. Poor Robin, wish someone or anyone had just asked him if he was ok.
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Someone probably did, and he probably made them laugh. 
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Depression's a loving bastard. That's all there is to it.
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Someone posted this in the Meme thread in PYF: From some movie I never watched called One Hour Photo, guess I need to see if it is on Netflix now.
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Wade Wilson posted:Someone posted this in the Meme thread in PYF: It's terrible, don't taint your memories of Robin Williams with it.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:It's terrible, don't taint your memories of Robin Williams with it. Shut up, it's one of his best films. Don't expect a comedy though, it's from when he tried doing serious stuff along with Insomnia. He was pretty good at being loving disturbing.
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Sakurazuka posted:Shut up, it's one of his best films. Don't expect a comedy though, it's from when he tried doing serious stuff along with Insomnia. He was pretty good at being loving disturbing. No, for real, I don't have a problem with him doing serious work. I just thought 1 Hour Photo had a really weak plot and no amount of good acting was going to make it engaging.
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I actually like the movies he was in where comedy wasn't the main draw of it better than the ones where he's trying to carry the movie by being funny. What Dreams May Come, Bicentennial Man (which was a little funny at the start, but quickly got depressing), etc.
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Wade Wilson posted:Someone posted this in the Meme thread in PYF: the kid posted:Well, he's a good guy, he can fly, and he has a silver sword that can kill bad guys.
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Aug 13, 2014 17:22
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Wade Wilson posted:I actually like the movies he was in where comedy wasn't the main draw of it better than the ones where he's trying to carry the movie by being funny. What Dreams May Come, Bicentennial Man (which was a little funny at the start, but quickly got depressing), etc. I only ever saw Bicentennial Man when I was like... 10 or 11 years old, and lemme tell you, don't let a 10 or 11 year old watch that because every single thing in the movie will go over his head.
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Bicentennial Man is best watched as a 10- or 11-year old who really loves robots, because as an adult it's maudlin, way too long, and the best thing it has going for it (Sam Neill's performance) ends halfway through the film.
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Paracelsus posted:I guess 1.5 out of three ain't bad. Pretty sure I read once that Williams asked for that line to be inserted just to gently caress with people.
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Aug 13, 2014 17:35
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Bicentennial Man is best watched as a 10- or 11-year old who really loves robots, because as an adult it's maudlin, way too long, and the best thing it has going for it (Sam Neill's performance) ends halfway through the film. It was nice to see a "robot wants to be human" story that actually addresses some of the prejudice people would have about it in a semi-realistic way (or, at least, close to how Asimov kept trying to address it in his novels), though. Arranging to age and die so that even he didn't know when it would eventually happen was an interesting way to go about it.
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Wade Wilson posted:It was nice to see a "robot wants to be human" story that actually addresses some of the prejudice people would have about it in a semi-realistic way (or, at least, close to how Asimov kept trying to address it in his novels), though. Arranging to age and die so that even he didn't know when it would eventually happen was an interesting way to go about it. It's a story about a sentient being, family member, and a beloved public figure committing suicide in order to conform to expectations. This would work as a tragedy or a farce, but Bicentennial Man presents it as a happy ending. It's grotesque, and all the moreso now for the fact that it's Robin Williams in the role.
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I seem to recall the music being fairly depressing at the end of the movie, so I don't think the actual intent was for it to be interpreted as a happy ending.
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mr. stefan posted:Pretty sure I read once that Williams asked for that line to be inserted just to gently caress with people. He was an avowed Eva fan and that MP Eva figure was from his personal collection, so more than likely. Also I'm still having trouble using past-tense verbs when referring to him
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3 posted:He was an avowed Eva fan and that MP Eva figure was from his personal collection, so more than likely. Also I'm still having trouble using past-tense verbs when referring to him Okay so hear me out but I have a crazy plan that involves turning everyone into tang all we need is a couple of emotionally damaged 14 year olds.
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Ak Gara posted:Okay so hear me out but I have a crazy plan that involves turning everyone into tang all we need is a couple of emotionally damaged 14 year olds. Only if I get to be Best Bridge Bunny: Hyuga
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Ak Gara posted:Okay so hear me out but I have a crazy plan that involves turning everyone into tang all we need is a couple of emotionally damaged 14 year olds. I'll get the paper towels...
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poo poo, I guess I'll be the guy scrubbing up all the blood when the aliens show up.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:This would work as a tragedy or a farce, but Bicentennial Man presents it as a happy ending. Its tragic for the audience because we see the insane sacrifices the character makes in order to achieve those goals. Perhaps you're looking for bittersweet. Like when Shinji got an eye full of Asuka's AT fields.
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TARDISman posted:poo poo, I guess I'll be the guy scrubbing up all the blood when the aliens show up. Y'know, I kind of wish they'd added in a Day in the Life Of one of the grunts who helps clean up the carnage left by the Angels' destruction during that recap episode ~midway through the series.
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Regalingualius posted:Y'know, I kind of wish they'd added in a Day in the Life Of one of the grunts who helps clean up the carnage left by the Angels' destruction during that recap episode ~midway through the series. I just remember the one that just tried to flatten Tokyo 3 washing away most of the city with its blood in Rebuild 2.0. The sheer amount of blood in this series is kinda hilarious to me.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:It's terrible, don't taint your memories of Robin Williams with it. RIP though, sweet eva fan (I wonder what a nigga's OTP was...probably Rei  )
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TARDISman posted:I just remember the one that just tried to flatten Tokyo 3 washing away most of the city with its blood in Rebuild 2.0. The sheer amount of blood in this series is kinda hilarious to me. "...Goddammit... I am so demanding dental on the next contract negotiation."
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Regalingualius posted:"...Goddammit... I am so demanding dental on the next contract negotiation." "No collective bargaining rights my rear end... loving Gendo."
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Wade Wilson posted:Someone posted this in the Meme thread in PYF: LeftistMuslimObama posted:It's terrible, don't taint your memories of Robin Williams with it.
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TheFallenEvincar posted:pretty sure like, 80% of the Robin Williams filmography already does that pretty well. I remember being an angry little boy when I got duped with whatever they were thinking with Flubber. Plus I think stuff like Patch Adams and Death to Smoochy are basically film crimes against humanity. Jack was worse than them all. Jack was worse than anything.
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Regalingualius posted:Y'know, I kind of wish they'd added in a Day in the Life Of one of the grunts who helps clean up the carnage left by the Angels' destruction during that recap episode ~midway through the series. There's a game like that actually, Viscera Cleanup Duty or something like that.
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Flytrap posted:There's a game like that actually, Viscera Cleanup Duty or something like that. Are you talking about http://www.runestorm.com/viscera ?
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Wade Wilson posted:Are you talking about http://www.runestorm.com/viscera ? Yeah, that's it. Saw a sorta playthrough thing, thought it looked interesting.
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What would've happened in 3.33 had Kaworu encountered 2 different spears, as he expected.
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As the title of the film implies, they would have gotten a REDO, or some sort of version of instrumentality where Kaworu would guide and help Shinji in creating some version of existence that wasn't so loving bleak. I think. It's Eva so who knows.
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