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Mr Interweb posted:Maddow and Chris Hayes both had segments tonight comparing the stuff going on at Ferguson to what went on at the Bundy Ranch, and now I have this sudden urge to throw a brick at something. And lets not forget that the Bundy crew explicitly planned to round up their women and children to use as human shields in the hopes that the police would accidentally hit one of them, sparking public outrage and support for Bundy.
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CharlestheHammer posted:You can't seriously hold this kind of position without realizing the apparent hypocrisy can you? I've been involved in nonviolent protests; I do not encourage others to protest violently. How is that hypocrisy?
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Derail time! http://projects.aljazeera.com/2014/south-carolina-schools/ SC public schools are kind of in very different shape depending on where you are in the state. While none of them are what I would consider "good", there are a lot that are better than others. A reporter who graduated from University of South Carolina decided to do a series on it. The series is quite good, but there have already been responses: Notably that Democrats are all to blame for this because they funnel all the sweet, sweet funds into their pockets in the form of graft. Instead of the idea that no money goes there because there is no money.
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Aug 14, 2014 13:53
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If nothing else this protest has really stirred up some conversation about the militarization of police departments in America. Not that I expect anything to change but this is the first time I can remember this topic being discussed so much. This is anecdotal I know but I don't know a single person who doesn't have a serious objection to cops rolling around with scoped m4s and combat gear in armored vehicles. Yet here we are.
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Unzip and Attack posted:If nothing else this protest has really stirred up some conversation about the militarization of police departments in America. Not that I expect anything to change but this is the first time I can remember this topic being discussed so much. This is anecdotal I know but I don't know a single person who doesn't have a serious objection to cops rolling around with scoped m4s and combat gear in armored vehicles. Yet here we are. That because you probably don't know "serious" people in positions of power. I can't think of a single national politician that even acknowledges police militarization as a thing let alone that it's something needing a correction. I expect the most we will get is some half hearted investigations with a bunch of "we must support the police as they are doing their best to maintain the peace" messaging from democrats and republicans alike.
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Aug 14, 2014 15:17
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The funding for the DHS grants to police units is provided through the NDAA, which receives an annual vote. I'd expect to see an amendment offered to scale that back. Hard to say what its chances of success would be.
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Aug 14, 2014 15:20
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Cythereal posted:And lets not forget that the Bundy crew explicitly planned to round up their women and children to use as human shields in the hopes that the police would accidentally hit one of them, sparking public outrage and support for Bundy. If Ferguson was well armed, would they be treated as gingerly?
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Aug 14, 2014 15:22
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Jay Nixon is a straight busta
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Aug 14, 2014 15:26
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Cheekio posted:If Ferguson was well armed, would they be treated as gingerly? Excuse me for a few moments while I double over laughing.
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Aug 14, 2014 15:27
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Move over horse cocks Is there a big illegal immigration problem in Alaska?
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ReindeerF posted:I think the obvious issue is that this wasn't a violent protest and then some idiot decided to take it upon himself to stick his dick in the mashed potatoes and make things worse for everyone. Idiots like that are the problem, not peaceful or violent protests inherently. Or, you know, given the way these cops are acting for all we know it was one of them, heh. Wasn't there something about the FBI, or some other federal group, being behind some of the looting in Seattle during the WTO protests? I remember them admitting to having undercover agents in the protest groups. I doubt that's what happened here, but it isn't without precedent. Evil Fluffy posted:I hope the PD burns down with every last officer trapped inside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFxaCa-hr8o
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Aug 14, 2014 15:33
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SquadronROE posted:Derail time! Having gone to an IB high school in a wealthy white part of South Carolina and having graduated from USC summa cum laude, I see nothing wrong with the SC education system.
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Aug 14, 2014 15:39
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Cheekio posted:If Ferguson was well armed, would they be treated as gingerly? Depends on skin color.
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Cheekio posted:If Ferguson was white, would they be treated as gingerly? Yes.
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Aug 14, 2014 15:41
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Mr Interweb posted:Maddow and Chris Hayes both had segments tonight comparing the stuff going on at Ferguson to what went on at the Bundy Ranch, and now I have this sudden urge to throw a brick at something. No more hosed than things were 50 years ago. The black panthers stopped being beaten by legally open carrying - the cops don't gently caress with people that can fight back.
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Aug 14, 2014 15:43
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hobbesmaster posted:No more hosed than things were 50 years ago. The black panthers stopped being beaten by legally open carrying - the cops don't gently caress with people that can fight back. Sounds like an argument in defense of our second amendment rights. If the police are going to gently caress with you anyway, why protest NON-violently?
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Aug 14, 2014 15:45
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Because urban police forces these days are kitted out more like the military than a police agency and you are going to lose and die. I guess that's cool if you are an accelerationist but I'm not.
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Aug 14, 2014 15:46
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hobbesmaster posted:No more hosed than things were 50 years ago. The black panthers stopped being beaten by legally open carrying - the cops don't gently caress with people that can fight back. And all of a sudden, courtesy of St. Ronnie himself, say hello to the Milford Act.
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Amergin posted:Sounds like an argument in defense of our second amendment rights. The legal carrying of weaponry is non-violent, we shouldn't blur the line between the ownership of power and the illegal usage of it.
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Aug 14, 2014 15:48
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MrBims posted:The legal carrying of weaponry is non-violent, we shouldn't blur the line between the ownership of power and the illegal usage of it. I'm sure the police would see it that way and not use that giant sniper rifle on a tripod.
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Aug 14, 2014 15:51
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hobbesmaster posted:No more hosed than things were 50 years ago. The black panthers stopped being beaten by legally open carrying - the cops don't gently caress with people that can fight back. This would be the fastest way to get vastly tougher restrictions on guns in America 
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Joementum posted:The funding for the DHS grants to police units is provided through the NDAA, which receives an annual vote. I'd expect to see an amendment offered to scale that back. Hard to say what its chances of success would be. There is no way that a politician in this day and age, either Democrat or Republican, is going to put their name on an amendment to reduce funding to police units and risk getting beat over the head with being "soft on crime".
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Aug 14, 2014 15:54
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Amergin posted:Sounds like an argument in defense of our second amendment rights. Welcome to the revolution, Comrade Amergin
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Aug 14, 2014 15:57
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:There is no way that a politician in this day and age, either Democrat or Republican, is going to put their name on an amendment to reduce funding to police units and risk getting beat over the head with being "soft on crime". Your rhetoric is about 20 years out of date.
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Aug 14, 2014 16:03
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Brannock posted:This would be the fastest way to get vastly tougher restrictions on guns in America As if the open-carrying black people wouldn't just be shot?
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computer parts posted:Your rhetoric is about 20 years out of date. Police lobbies still wield a ton of power in state legislatures and will show up en masse to oppose any measure that means they don't get to drive around literal tanks and dress up high speed as gently caress.
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Aug 14, 2014 16:05
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"The officer noted that the suspect was reaching for his gun when lethal force was used"
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Here is a curated set of tweets from veterans comparing their training with ferguson https://storify.com/AthertonKD/veterans-on-ferguson Also, the chief of the police here has been removed (not sure if this is ferguson chief or at Louis county chief) and state and federal is taking over
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Evil Fluffy posted:I hope the PD burns down with every last officer trapped inside. Same but literally every police station in the US.
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Swan Oat posted:Same but literally every police station in the US. Somewhere, a Freeper feels vindicated, and is unsure why.
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Was listening to CSPAN this morning and apparently the push for English as the national official language is is still quite popular, including in blue states. The arguments against the idea were basically "it's racist" and "learning languages is fun why do you hate fun?" whereas the arguments in favor were essentially "it's more convenient, it helps solidarity in the country, most western developed nations have it and it helps prevent splinter groups such as the Quebecois Bloc, the Catalonians, etc." To be honest I don't understand why we haven't done this yet. There's nothing preventing people from labeling their products in multiple languages for private reasons or for market share, but enforcing English language learning would be helpful for the labor market, politics, and a whole host of things. Besides, if most of western Europe has official languages (and Canada), are we calling them racist for it? Obviously not.
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SquadronROE posted:Derail time! Sanford really hosed over SC education and it has sent the state into a tailspin. No company wants to invest because the education is mediocre at best and they can't pull out of state talent easily because who the gently caress wants to live in SC if they have another choice? BMW is their one success story but that is more than offset by the clown show of the Charleston Boeing plant. No investment means no money for education which just makes everything worse. Federal money would be a great help but thanks to the ban on earmarks and DEBT obsessed GOP there is none to be had. My mother was working on a hugely successful program supporting high school teachers to get kids' writing skills up to levels required by colleges and businesses but funding is gone now and all the foundational work had to be abandoned.
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Amergin posted:Was listening to CSPAN this morning and apparently the push for English as the national official language is is still quite popular, including in blue states. The only thing an official language actually does is require that government forms be in that language. It doesn't do anything else.
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"enforce English language learning". Yeah that sounds like a thing that can be done.
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Aug 14, 2014 17:01
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Yet there'll still be press 1 for English for everything because the free market determined bilingual call robots are useful.
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Shifty Pony posted:Sanford really hosed over SC education and it has sent the state into a tailspin. No company wants to invest because the education is mediocre at best and they can't pull out of state talent easily because who the gently caress wants to live in SC if they have another choice? BMW is their one success story but that is more than offset by the clown show of the Charleston Boeing plant. No investment means no money for education which just makes everything worse. Do you have any sources on the Boeing thing? I know that Charleston had to basically build an entire wing onto the local community college and fund the training for them, but I don't have any real information about how it went.
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zoux posted:"enforce English language learning". Yeah that sounds like a thing that can be done. Oh there is certainly plenty that can be done to enhance English language skills and proficiency, primarily by giving money to teachers and educational programs. Yet strangely the GOP has completely gutted those programs and grants as I mentioned above. Funny thing huh?
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Amergin posted:Was listening to CSPAN this morning and apparently the push for English as the national official language is is still quite popular, including in blue states. I think you will find that our last major separatist movement also spoke English.
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Badger of Basra posted:I think you will find that our last major separatist movement also spoke English. Well, barely.
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zoux posted:Is there a big illegal immigration problem in Alaska? No, Joe Miller is just going for the Valley racist vote; they even have a German "heritage" school out there.
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