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jrodefeld posted:You are absolutely right. The State and private sector are more and more indistinguishable due to State privilege and corporate special interest lobbying. But small businesses still exist in this country. Entrepreneurs still make a go of it despite the legal obstacles placed in their path. I admire the poo poo out of you jrodefeld, you are the greatest hero in the history of the internet. A black youth was murdered, a town is in the grip of violent suppression, but libertarians must be unconverted at all times through absurdity. It's true! You are absolutely right. You are so right. It's when the corporate state fails most spectacularly and gruesomely that people have to be reminded what the logical conclusion of the brain rapists who entered Reagan must usher in. You cannot sleep jrodefeld. You must expose. You must convert. Think of all the people who you have pushed off the wagon of religious ancap insanity through your virtuoso performance art. You will finish libertarianism, and for that you are literally a greater person than Nelson Mandela. e: VVV you are thousands of times better than this guy, who is a great guy! and is putting his life on the line. But your service is the most precious treasure of the modern age.
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         When I got there they were using the LRAD on the protestors and telling them to disperse. The neighbors were trying to go about their normal day, one of them was even walking with their toddler on the sidewalk in front of the barricade. After a few angry people shouting at the cops a guy got on the megaphone and told them "his people needed love and not hate" and then everyone went back to the memorial.  Later some people were walking up to the barricade.  "Hands up, don't shoot."   I caught these policemen using surveillance equipment to watch the protesters from a hill. When they realized I was in my car I told them I was a photographer and they told me to "try not to get robbed."  Later I met a reporter from USA Today and I helped her find a way to West Florissant. We were escorted by SWAT past the barricade and to the QT.       Someone shot three times at the police, so they retreated to the bridge. Then all the protesters came out to the main street and were hanging around.  RT filming the scene.       Here are pieces of the munitions used.      
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Troy Queef posted:the city you have lived in for years and love to bits become a police state that looks like something you see on the news with a byline of "IRAQ" or "GAZA" or something like that. I've found that when I frame the issue of police militarization/abuse in the context of "wow, look at this, looks like (insert 3rd world war-zone here)" More conservative/neutral people will look upon the police (over) reaction unfavorably. Could just be anecdotal, but I think framing the police actions as if they are an opposing army, creating a war-zone, causes something to click in the more right-wing mindset. I mean it's hardly a stretch when the cops are actually wearing Army uniforms, toting M-16, and driving MRAPS. Edit: lol only D&D posters have the disposable income and fragile tempers to waste on buying avs like this. I mean honestly, at least make it creative or more personally offensive, this is just lazy. Cesar Cedeno fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Caros posted:Jesus Christ Jrod. This is why you aren't supposed to start up threads. If you come onto the forum to spew your libertarian bullshit and create a specific thread solely for that topic, then how about you use that topic rather than just sort of leaking out into other threads. Wait, so I'm not supposed to start up a thread just for myself AND I'm not supposed to contribute to existing threads? I had some things to say about this incident in particular. I'm not taking over the thread, I just posted a couple of times. Believe me, I'll go back to the libertarian thread and continue that discussion.
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jrodefeld posted:Wait, so I'm not supposed to start up a thread just for myself AND I'm not supposed to contribute to existing threads? Sokath, his eyes uncovered!
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hot. rest of series plz.
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jrodefeld posted:Wait, so I'm not supposed to start up a thread just for myself AND I'm not supposed to contribute to existing threads? I had some things to say about this incident in particular. I'm not taking over the thread, I just posted a couple of times. Believe me, I'll go back to the libertarian thread and continue that discussion. What happens when the people opt for a State solution instead of a defense company or private police force Is that permitted
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This is a great picture e: his pants are below his rear end get everyone! EEEEEVERYONE!!
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jrodefeld posted:Wait, so I'm not supposed to start up a thread just for myself AND I'm not supposed to contribute to existing threads? I had some things to say about this incident in particular. I'm not taking over the thread, I just posted a couple of times. Believe me, I'll go back to the libertarian thread and continue that discussion. Frankly I'm sure most of us would be okay with you picking one or the other. In this case tho you might want to watch the posts from Xylo. The guy with the star by his name and the terrifying ham picture who has banned you like three times already? Yeah... might want to listen to him. Neo Duckberg posted:Awesomeness. On a more thread friendly note, Duckberg you are one crazy guy for going anywhere near these protests when the cops are out in force like this. The awesome sort of crazy however. Amazing shots all around... it really helps put things in perspective after I read about it to see the view from someone who is there.
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jrodefeld posted:What I want is for the State to remove itself from the business of police protection. Then permit the people who actually live in those communities to decide what they should do for their collective defense. Then they should choose to pay for a contractor or defense company of their choosing. If the State were involved in any way in this decision, or artificially limited the choices available to that community, I would consider this NOT a free market and not representative of what I am proposing. I don't understand why you think this solves anything. When the State and big business have been colluding for so long, hitting a reset button does nothing to fix the problems with the system because you just removed whatever minor safeguards existed in the existing systems and let those who have looted public funds for their personal gain have even more power and more influence on outcomes.
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SedanChair posted:This is a great picture
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  Thank you for risking injury to take pictures. Wales Grey fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Video time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkxB-geNNgw The LRAD noise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9w2RTphhIs A little bit after that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVkXZMbPYOY Cops watching the protestors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKMuMcE_etU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8h-gO9zII Chilling with KSDK. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os1a1FxP2Mc Right after someone shot at the police.
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https://www.facebook.com/NMOS2014 So is anyone going to the one in San Antonio?
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SirKibbles posted:https://www.facebook.com/NMOS2014 I think I might go to the one in Austin.
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jrodefeld posted:
How exactly will the people who live in these communities make their will known? In a large community, it's impractical for everyone to have a direct role in hiring and managing their defense. Perhaps the citizens should choose some sort of representatives to oversee things. Just as long as The State isn't involved.
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Please relocate stupid libertarian theories with jrodefeld to the Stupid Libertarian Theories With jrodefeld Thread.
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Whoever is running @TheAnonMessage just posted some guys information. Residence, SSN, Name, Phone #, DoB the works. An earlier message said they were confirming they had the right shooter so maybe this is it?
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Whoever is running @TheAnonMessage just posted some guys information. Residence, SSN, Name, Phone #, DoB the works. An earlier message said they were confirming they had the right shooter so maybe this is it? That's the chief of police.
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NPR coverage and interview on the Morning Edition, if anyone cares.
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vseslav.botkin posted:That's the chief of police. so it was the chief all along! why'd you do it old man jackson?
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Amazes me how Fox News/Right Wing Noise Machine seems to favor "Big government" when it suits them. "SOME GAY COUPLE IS FORCING A CHRISTIAN (white) BAKER TO BAKE THEM A CAKE WITH THE HELP OF THE GOVERNMENT?! OBAMA IS HITLER! THIS IS ALL WRONG!" On Ferguson: "You know, the black community shouldn't be so violent against the cops during this whole ordeal. Freedom of the press? Who cares. Police state? Huh, well it's happening to a bunch of blacks on welfare, so gently caress 'em. Here's a black conservative that agrees with us, and here's a "viral video" that we also agree with which we likely took clips way out of context". Amazing how these people can't see the broader context on the latter, while obsessing over the former. How I just saw this reported is beyond dangerous. Thank god for twitter and the fact that Fox News is growing more and more irrelevant by the day.
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jrodefeld posted:I am outraged about this incident. As Radley Balko explained in "Rise of the Warrior Cop" and authors like John Whitehead and commentators like Will Grigg have covered, we have an epidemic of police misconduct and a rise in the use of SWAT team raids. Furthermore we have seen a systematic militarization of our police forces. I don't think it is an exaggeration to state that we live in an emerging police state. Well off white people and privileged groups might find that statement hyperbolic, but poor blacks have long viewed the police not as the protectors of their rights, but rather as their oppressors and their enemies. It must be a horrific feeling to fear for your life, to know that any day a cop could end your life without you having done a thing wrong. Also private security forces are useful for breaking strikes and heads so really turning all of policing is a win/win for rich white guys who don't give a poo poo about poor blacks
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An AP article is saying St. Louis County Police have had two dozen patrol vehicles "destroyed" over the last few days. Have I missed all the pictures of cop cars burning in the street, maybe overturned to form impromptu barricades? Did somebody spraypaint "gently caress the police" on them in the parking lot somewhere?
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Pitch posted:An AP article is saying St. Louis County Police have had two dozen patrol vehicles "destroyed" over the last few days. Have I missed all the pictures of cop cars burning in the street, maybe overturned to form impromptu barricades? Did somebody spraypaint "gently caress the police" on them in the parking lot somewhere? Unfortunately patrol vehicles are not designed to accommodate the heft of the more ample desk jockey and have sustained unrepairable undercarriage damage. Individual APCs have been ordered to assist these brave officers in their pursuit of justice.
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This is the same police that when asked why they have MRAPs for a protest responded "bombs".
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At the event which sparked the London riots in 2011 suspiciously old police vehicles were parked in front of the police station where family of the young black man who'd been shot were waiting for answers with a crowd of peaceful supporters. When things suddenly deteriorated these old vans were destroyed and alas the police were forced to rapidly respond with force. So even if proof of police vehicles being destroyed is actually produced it will be very important to ascertain the ages of these vehicles if possible.
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That anon message person claims to have discovered the identity of Mike Brown's murderer: Officer Bryan P. Willman. It's getting retweeted like loving crazy. edit: Now s/he's threatening to escalate to a photograph of the guy, posting his address, and complete disclosure of all personal information if there's no official police response to the accusation. 
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Angry Diplomat posted:That anon message person claims to have discovered the identity of Mike Brown's murderer: Officer Bryan P. Willman. It's getting retweeted like loving crazy. Cool, now the officer gets to justifiably murder some more people.
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I hope that's the right person and they didn't gently caress up and point the finger at an innocent person! (regardless of the fact that there are systemic issues in the police force, accusing someone who wasn't involved isn't going to help)
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Here is a recruiting video for the police department in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot5_UPeZIUw
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They've been vetting the hell out of it for three days, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Dreylad posted:I hope that's the right person and they didn't gently caress up and point the finger at an innocent person! (regardless of the fact that there are systemic issues in the police force, accusing someone who wasn't involved isn't going to help) One would think the "response" from the police in that case would be a sound alibi to protect the officer who DIDN'T murder an unarmed kid in broad daylight, but that would require some sort of accountability, so it probably won't happen in any case. At the very least, withholding further information to wait for a response gives him an opportunity to come forward and argue his innocence, if it wasn't him. It's insane that police transparency has become such a laughable concept that anonymous internet inquisitors are starting to look like the most effective means of forcing accountability. Just put loving lapel cameras on every single cop and have done with it.
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greatn posted:They've been vetting the hell out of it for three days, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. 
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greatn posted:They've been vetting the hell out of it for three days, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. You can't help but worry the Police will be putting out as much false information as they possibly can though. A false accusation would be very useful for them.
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jrodefeld posted:Wait, so I'm not supposed to start up a thread just for myself AND I'm not supposed to contribute to existing threads? I had some things to say about this incident in particular. I'm not taking over the thread, I just posted a couple of times. Believe me, I'll go back to the libertarian thread and continue that discussion. Holy poo poo shut up.
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