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Vahakyla posted:
Did this guy successfully de-escalate things?
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Aug 15, 2014 03:47
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Torpor posted:Did this guy successfully de-escalate things? He turned a police riot into a block party in less than 24 hours, so I'd say he's doing a good job. Edit: If you watch some of the vines Antonio French is putting out it looks and sounds like a liberated city, just a huge honking party.
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Aug 15, 2014 03:52
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Chantilly Say posted:Against anything you would see on the street, yeah. If they get the add on standoff-slat package (there's probably a more technical term for that) it will take an RPG, too. And it's designed to protect occupants from an IED, though it might not be drivable afterwards. I don't think you can really de-armor an RG-31/33 too much. The armor is primarily the hull and it's shape. You could replace the 6 inch thick windows and strip some of interior kevlar armor but that's just a drop in the bucket.
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Aug 15, 2014 03:57
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Rhesus Pieces posted:He turned a police riot into a block party in less than 24 hours, so I'd say he's doing a good job. I feel like this is a lesson for Gaza or our own war on terror.
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Aug 15, 2014 04:02
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What was the difference between the old guys rhetoric versus this guy's rhetoric. I think there a couple of psychology type of old police officers. There are the ones that genuinely see the inherent goodness of people, and then tehre are those that don't see humanity at all.
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Aug 15, 2014 04:38
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I'm sure this Captain was briefed with "dude, please do not be terrible and don't gas folks. " He is basically just doing his job and not being terrible.
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Aug 15, 2014 04:41
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Nevermind
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Aug 15, 2014 04:56
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Good cop/bad cop with a whole town.
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Aug 15, 2014 05:04
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SedanChair posted:Good cop/bad cop with a whole town. I don't think they're acting out of a sense of obligation to him.
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Aug 15, 2014 05:10
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SedanChair posted:Good cop/bad cop with a whole town. New cop knows what's important, making sure the cop gets off with a minimum sentence, not rubbing their collective dicks in the community's face
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Aug 15, 2014 05:27
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So I've been seeing a lot of talk about how someone on FoxNews called Michelle Obama fat. I know they're not exactly known for their accuracy, but what Michelle Obama are they looking at? Talk about open carry, just look at dem guns. 
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Aug 15, 2014 06:21
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hangedman1984 posted:So I've been seeing a lot of talk about how someone on FoxNews called Michelle Obama fat. I know they're not exactly known for their accuracy, but what Michelle Obama are they looking at? People are crazy. Michelle is easily the hottest first lady since at least the 60s
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Aug 15, 2014 06:26
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hangedman1984 posted:So I've been seeing a lot of talk about how someone on FoxNews called Michelle Obama fat. I know they're not exactly known for their accuracy, but what Michelle Obama are they looking at?
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Aug 15, 2014 06:35
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JT Jag posted:Calling Michelle fat is a long-running dumb conservative meme. Stop by the Political Cartoons thread if you'd like to be enlightened. tl;dr though, it boils down to "Moochelle is a fatty who wants all the fries to herself and none for anyone else." Yes, some people are that petty about health food movements. But people have seen her right? I know that the Bubble is a thing and people hold misinformed opinions. But look at her!! There is no way that could be considered fat.
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Aug 15, 2014 06:39
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Fat is the kinder end of the spectrum of conservative Michelle Obama memes. It doesn't take long for them to get to Chewbacca/wookie or gorilla comments.
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Aug 15, 2014 06:41
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skaboomizzy posted:Fat is the kinder end of the spectrum of conservative Michelle Obama memes. It doesn't take long for them to get to Chewbacca/wookie or gorilla comments. I get the gorilla thing though, that's just old fashioned classic racism.
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Aug 15, 2014 06:42
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hangedman1984 posted:But people have seen her right? I know that the Bubble is a thing and people hold misinformed opinions. But look at her!! There is no way that could be considered fat. I guess they believe that black makes you look slimmer.
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Aug 15, 2014 06:43
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I guess this is just one of those things where the right wing talking point is just so far ,and obviously, divorced from reality that I am just unable to comprehend how anybody buys it
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Aug 15, 2014 06:45
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It's a dog whistle for "she's a black woman, and thus is inherently unattractive". That is the sole unspoken message.
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Aug 15, 2014 06:45
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hangedman1984 posted:But people have seen her right? I know that the Bubble is a thing and people hold misinformed opinions. But look at her!! There is no way that could be considered fat. They've seen her, and they don't care. Women don't generally like being called fat. So they call her fat. It's as simple as that. Try to think like a 5th grader and you'll understand where they're coming from.
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Aug 15, 2014 06:46
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JT Jag posted:Calling Michelle fat is a long-running dumb conservative meme. Stop by the Political Cartoons thread if you'd like to be enlightened. tl;dr though, it boils down to "Moochelle is a fatty who wants all the fries to herself and none for anyone else." Yes, some people are that petty about health food movements. The political cartoons thread isn't the only thread where that comes up. They live in their own delusional little world.
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Aug 15, 2014 06:49
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hangedman1984 posted:I guess this is just one of those things where the right wing talking point is just so far ,and obviously, divorced from reality that I am just unable to comprehend how anybody buys it I want Michelle Obama to show up on Fox and Friends unannounced next time Keith Ablow is on and challenge him to do an hour of exercise with her, live.
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Aug 15, 2014 06:52
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hangedman1984 posted:I guess this is just one of those things where the right wing talking point is just so far ,and obviously, divorced from reality that I am just unable to comprehend how anybody buys it It's intended to confirm the hateful prejudice of FOX's audience. It's not really something they're trying to convince anyone else of.
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Aug 15, 2014 07:15
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ReidRansom posted:This is a really good idea, honestly. It seems every bumfuck little town has a police Humvee they got free through a surplus program, but they'd be put to far better use as ambulances/rescue vehicles for rural paramedics. A bit of googling tells me this isn't terribly common for whatever reason. comes along bort mentioned it but there are plenty of situations where the Humvee or MRAP are just to big to get to outlying rural locations, especially in wooded or mountainous areas. The place I used to do search and rescue for in NM used a pair of beat to hell Suburbans for SAR teams. One was the litter suburban, the other was the team suburban. Still, it's a great idea for plenty of locations where you don't have cliffs or large trees lining the backroads.
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Aug 15, 2014 07:25
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Chantilly Say posted:Against anything you would see on the street, yeah. If they get the add on standoff-slat package (there's probably a more technical term for that) it will take an RPG, too. And it's designed to protect occupants from an IED, though it might not be drivable afterwards. Somehow I parsed this as talking about snowplows. gently caress THAT INSURGENT SNOW
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Aug 15, 2014 07:53
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Torpor posted:Did this guy successfully de-escalate things? It seems like a...change of atmosphere.
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Aug 15, 2014 10:11
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Torpor posted:Did this guy successfully de-escalate things? 
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Aug 15, 2014 14:20
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I'd like to note that the cop there is chief of St. Louis Police who intentionally kept his force out of this because quote:The possibility of having St. Louis Police Department personnel present with the Ferguson Police in what appears to be a racially-charged and possibly discriminating environment could make it appear that the St. Louis Police Department supports racial discrimination and disenfranchisement. He showed up after the change of command authority for the scene.
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Aug 15, 2014 14:27
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So am I reading too much into this or did all the other PD's in the area already know that the County was a bunch of shitheels and would gently caress things up? I mean it seems like none of the other police were too surprised by any of this, and they are almost showboating a bit just to make it sting that much more.
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Aug 15, 2014 14:31
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Stultus Maximus posted:I'd like to note that the cop there is chief of St. Louis Police who intentionally kept his force out of this because Hahaha has there ever been a more up-front way that one PD told another "um you're pariahs"
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Aug 15, 2014 14:33
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Prester John posted:So am I reading too much into this or did all the other PD's in the area already know that the County was a bunch of shitheels and would gently caress things up? I mean it seems like none of the other police were too surprised by any of this, and they are almost showboating a bit just to make it sting that much more. I don't think they knew they would gently caress things up perse, but they clearly didn't want anything to do with this until they were out of the way.
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Aug 15, 2014 14:49
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Prester John posted:So am I reading too much into this or did all the other PD's in the area already know that the County was a bunch of shitheels and would gently caress things up? I mean it seems like none of the other police were too surprised by any of this, and they are almost showboating a bit just to make it sting that much more. This is basically my understanding of it. The Michael Brown shooting underscored how terrible the County police are, and the best way to get a pack of wild dogs like them out of power is to let them have some for a little while and let everyone see how they use it. This is a pretty good short-term fix for the situation, but the accelerationist in me kinda wishes the pressure had been allowed to rise a little more so we could have a better shot at real long-term wide-scope change instead of just replacing these particular horrible cops with normal ones.
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Aug 15, 2014 14:55
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Prester John posted:So am I reading too much into this or did all the other PD's in the area already know that the County was a bunch of shitheels and would gently caress things up? I mean it seems like none of the other police were too surprised by any of this, and they are almost showboating a bit just to make it sting that much more. County Chief Jon Belmar got promoted in January so he's relatively new at this and his previous job was as the head of their SWAT division. That did not bode well for a measured response.
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Aug 15, 2014 14:57
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loquacius posted:This is basically my understanding of it. The Michael Brown shooting underscored how terrible the County police are, and the best way to get a pack of wild dogs like them out of power is to let them have some for a little while and let everyone see how they use it. A House Democrat tried to start up a bill to limit sales of military weapons and equipment to police forces. Knowing what we know about Congress at this stage, it will mostly likely fail. And that's why even in the worst case, nothing would change.
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Aug 15, 2014 15:29
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Stultus Maximus posted:I'd like to note that the cop there is chief of St. Louis Police who intentionally kept his force out of this because The part you quoted was said by alderman Kennedy in an email exchange with the chief. The chief agreed, but he wasn't that blunt about why
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Aug 15, 2014 15:37
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^^ yea thatStultus Maximus posted:The possibility of having St. Louis Police Department personnel present with the Ferguson Police in what appears to be a racially-charged and possibly discriminating environment could make it appear that the St. Louis Police Department supports racial discrimination and disenfranchisement. FYI that quote was actually from an STL Alderman, but the police chief agreed. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...481191726f.html
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Aug 15, 2014 15:37
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Even that's just dumb and reactionary. If the cops didn't have all this military hardware they'd be rolling up with water cannons or dogs or whatever they have. The right solution is changing the culture of how police respond to protesters and define a riot. If some Captain or higher decides that a riot is in progress, when in fact it's a peaceful protest with some looting surrounding it, you're going to get a disproportionate response and a possible escalation (especially if the cause for the protest is the police themselves). Instead the guy who made the call to break out the riot gear needs to be held responsible, to show that the proper escalation of force wasn't followed.
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Aug 15, 2014 15:38
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SquadronROE posted:Even that's just dumb and reactionary. If the cops didn't have all this military hardware they'd be rolling up with water cannons or dogs or whatever they have. i don't think it's dumb and reactionary to say "american police departments do not have a credible need for mine resistant armored vehicles". The culture is the problem, sure, but the tech sure helps things escalate.
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Aug 15, 2014 15:40
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They also don't receive proper training for the new equipment, they are just given it and expected to figure out best practices. They do not. Also if you think a geared up riot trooper with an assault rifle projects the same image as just a normal police officer, or even one with a shield and baton, you're nuts. The perception of the police by the public is an important factor.
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