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I'm willing to vote winvirus. I'm sticking with merk for now though, I feel stronger about him.
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I didn't see Merk posting a question about my vote on rarity. Calm thyselves. I elaborated a bit in that very post about my vote for rarity. It was still quite early in D1 and I didn't like how rarity jumped on Keane for what I believe to be a very trivial and meaningless statement that I did not see the same way. Early D1 doesn't exactly make for solid casing 99% of the time. The first day is almost always a gut-check.
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Aug 18, 2014 19:07
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winvirus posted:I'm reading back on my phone and I could've sworn there was a post I didn't like Her vote counts whether or not she's scum(she is) and it's obviously useful information. Why do you need tildes for that? Keane, what do you think about winvirus doing the same thing as CE in regards to misreading/lying about a point against another player? I feel like there's very little difference between the two. To be honest I felt good about that CE post so I don't know what to make of it.
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Aug 18, 2014 19:11
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##unvote; ##vote merk
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Aug 18, 2014 19:15
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merk posted:Mafia buzz words used at me without any basis so far:
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Aug 18, 2014 19:17
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I think, sometimes, people think they read things, in a game of mafia, that they didn't, and it's okay to admit you're wrong. There are lots of words involved in these games, after all, and they are challenging for illiterate people like myself
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Aug 18, 2014 19:24
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merk posted:Also, regarding Rascy, I didn't see the parallel to the other game because I was scum in that game and I'm town in this game. On top of that, Rasyc himself characterized the other game as 'bizarro' content whereas he failed to characterize Keane's content here at all. He is creating an analogous situation but can't analogize the content between games. He also doesn't even say I'm scummy. If he isn't prepared to call Keane's content something other than fake and say that I'm scummy for saying what I said, his analogy completely falls flat on his face.
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Aug 18, 2014 19:24
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winvirus posted:I think, sometimes, people think they read things, in a game of mafia, that they didn't, and it's okay to admit you're wrong. There are lots of words involved in these games, after all, and they are challenging for illiterate people like myself
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Aug 18, 2014 19:25
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JakeP posted:more like gay 1 amirite
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Aug 18, 2014 19:26
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winvirus posted:I think, sometimes, people think they read things, in a game of mafia, that they didn't, and it's okay to admit you're wrong. There are lots of words involved in these games, after all, and they are challenging for illiterate people like myself To be clear I don't think misreading is scummy because I've done it as town, although as an aside your tone here is weird. I want to know what Keane thinks though.
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Aug 18, 2014 19:37
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Crazyeyes posted:I didn't see Merk posting a question about my vote on rarity. Calm thyselves. I elaborated a bit in that very post about my vote for rarity. It was still quite early in D1 and I didn't like how rarity jumped on Keane for what I believe to be a very trivial and meaningless statement that I did not see the same way.
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Aug 18, 2014 19:39
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##unvote; ##vote merk
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Aug 18, 2014 19:42
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So starting my epic re-read.Meinberg posted:If you're really a vig and you really do off me, I'd consider taking a careful look at winvirus. This still sticks out to me... WV clearly is making a joke on p1. This genuinely looks like someone panicking that they might be vigged. Meinberg posted:Oh nooooooo.....! I just can't get my head round this. Checking Votefinder, Meinberg isn't new. But self proclaims having an 'awkward meta'. Rarity posted:Yeah, you reacted to jokes really weird in Civ 2 as... well... Meinberg posted:I thought Winvirus wasn't joking, but considering how early in the game we are, I didn't have any tools to properly defend myself. So I flailed. What? Is no one seeing this?
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Aug 18, 2014 21:39
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And "Oh that's just Meinberg!" isn't a defence.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:13
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wins32767 posted:##vote Chaoslord Hey Wins, did you forget you were in this game?
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Aug 18, 2014 22:16
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kilran posted:And "Oh that's just Meinberg!" isn't a defence. It's not a defense, but I've played a few games with Meinberg and he does come off as awkward - and that means that he's an easy candidate for a push by scum (or unfamiliar town), so you get a lot of noise in there as well.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:17
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##vote CE
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Aug 18, 2014 22:25
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kilran posted:And "Oh that's just Meinberg!" isn't a defence. I'm fine voting Meinberg but it's not really exciting or interesting. I read the Big Brother thread, dude is awkward. Will someone explain merk to me like I'm a moron?
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Aug 18, 2014 22:25
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CCKeane posted:It's not a defense, but I've played a few games with Meinberg and he does come off as awkward - and that means that he's an easy candidate for a push by scum (or unfamiliar town), so you get a lot of noise in there as well. Fair. But there's awkward posting (whatever that even means...) and then there is "Don't vig me! Winvirus is scummy! Shoot him!" but what I don't get is the "Winvirus is legit lying". Clearly he was. This just seems like a qualification of his earlier reaction. *** I've finished re-reading. I promised myself I wouldn't get into posting huge 'wall o'texts' anymore. No one reads them and they don't actually persuade anyone of anything. Overally, I'm really liking Somberbrero's posts. They seem genuinely in the right mindspace. I honestly can't see why everyone is bent out of shape about merk. I don't think anything he has particularly done is scummy. Rarity is the one who stands out to me. Maybe Yuming too (but I always think Yuming is scum, so I'm not going to go into that). Rarity feels like she is manipulating people. None of her points feel genuine and I liked really liked this post from merk. ##unvote ##vote Rarity
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Aug 18, 2014 22:35
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Somberbrero posted:I'm fine voting Meinberg but it's not really exciting or interesting. I read the Big Brother thread, dude is awkward. Merk made a bad case on me, and has swung around pretty significantly since. In past games merk as scum has accussed town players of faking content, as he has done to me, in order to attempt to get a vote on them.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:35
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I don't know if I have a vote out or not because I ALWAYS LOOK FORWARD but: ##unvote ##vote Crazy Eyes
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Aug 18, 2014 22:36
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CCKeane posted:Merk made a bad case on me, and has swung around pretty significantly since. In past games merk as scum has accussed town players of faking content, as he has done to me, in order to attempt to get a vote on them.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:37
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As an aside that hopefully someone will read after I eventually flip Town, trying to meta me is generally a bad idea. I take a lot of care in trying new things and modifying my game, like the example I started this game with when going after Keane. Opo appears to be the only person who has been successful that I've seen, and he's only had one real showing with one half showing here (he could be scum who knows my alignment).
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Aug 18, 2014 22:41
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merk posted:As an aside that hopefully someone will read after I eventually flip Town, trying to meta me is generally a bad idea. I take a lot of care in trying new things and modifying my game, like the example I started this game with when going after Keane. Opo appears to be the only person who has been successful that I've seen, and he's only had one real showing with one half showing here (he could be scum who knows my alignment). In about five minutes, someone will vote me for this post.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:42
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Juanito posted:so you think merk is scum? Maybe. I think his vote switching and attempts to back away from his statements are bad, but I think the positive reaction the case garnered from some people is far, far worse, since the case was pretty hollow at best. I don't think merk would be topping my list currently, but he is ON NOTICE (you hear me, merk you dastardly scoundrel!!!!)
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Aug 18, 2014 22:44
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merk posted:In about five minutes, someone will vote me for this post. Liar
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Aug 18, 2014 22:47
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Somberbrero posted:I'm fine voting Meinberg but it's not really exciting or interesting. I read the Big Brother thread, dude is awkward. Merk's response to this is that my example is not applicable because of how I apparently represented Yuming's content versus CC's. The representation of the example's content is irrelevant though because both Yuming and I are casing how he's acting. Rather than answer the accusation directly, he chooses to misrepresent a logical detail of something I said earlier in the thread in regards to calling CC's content fake, and using that to discredit the past game's example I posted. It's basically textbook dismantling the case itself on any fringe weaknesses he can find, which is scummy to me at this point.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:48
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I'm not talking about this game in this post, but I'm linking it because it's close enough to the point where I feel like linking it is ethically the thing to do.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:48
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Rascyc posted:Merk cased CC and said his content was fake. He continued to press CC but it reads more like intentional antagonizing than it does scum hunting which prompted me to post an example of where a scum Merk had framed a town's (Yuming this case) content as fake, and also continued to antagonize the player until their death (in that case, it was forced via a vig shot from another town). The point was that Merk was exhibiting the same type of behavior this game as another game. Put your case on me together in the most persuasive form possible.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:49
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kilran posted:Fair. But there's awkward posting (whatever that even means...) and then there is "Don't vig me! Winvirus is scummy! Shoot him!" but what I don't get is the "Winvirus is legit lying". Clearly he was. This just seems like a qualification of his earlier reaction. Hey thanks, but I'm having a lot of trouble with this post. It reads like a scum sandwich of "hey, x and y are cool, z sucks though." Positive feelings are way easier to fake as scum and it's weird that this post is at best 50% positive reads. I dunno how much I buy into buddying as an overall scum tactic but it's very much 'textbook scum' and I can't deny that it definitely put me off my guard here. Actually reading this in detail, I had missed that you are suspicious of yuming. Seems like you should really be on that, at least say why because I'm getting the opposite read. Rarity always reads as scum to me too but I am not going to back off her because of that this game.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:49
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merk posted:Put your case on me together in the most persuasive form possible.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:51
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I don't think I've ever seen someone say they always read Yuming as scum, that's a new one.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:54
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Somberbrero posted:Hey thanks, but I'm having a lot of trouble with this post. It reads like a scum sandwich of "hey, x and y are cool, z sucks though." Positive feelings are way easier to fake as scum and it's weird that this post is at best 50% positive reads. I dunno how much I buy into buddying as an overall scum tactic but it's very much 'textbook scum' and I can't deny that it definitely put me off my guard here. Like I said, I'm not going into a massive wall o'text. Especially on d1. I'm getting ~feelings~ from Rarity... in my head, zie is sat in a big chair like Blofeld from James Bond, occasionally chiming with a post pushing people around a game board with one of those sticks they used to move armies round the map of Europe in war films. I'll get to my feelings on Yuming in a mo.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:55
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Rascyc posted:Merk cased CC and said his content was fake. He continued to press CC but it reads more like intentional antagonizing than it does scum hunting which prompted me to post an example of where a scum Merk had framed a town's (Yuming this case) content as fake, and also continued to antagonize the player until their death (in that case, it was forced via a vig shot from another town). The point was that Merk was exhibiting the same type of behavior this game as another game. I don't feel that in my heart and you used too many big words, but I respect you and your argument. Early on you were critical of Crazy's response to my opening bit on winv. Do you think he is scum or bad at mafia?
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Aug 18, 2014 22:56
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merk posted:I'm not talking about this game in this post, but I'm linking it because it's close enough to the point where I feel like linking it is ethically the thing to do.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:56
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Rascyc posted:I'm good. It's above. It has yet to persuade anyone. I don't even really know what you're trying to say. I'd like to respond to it, and I think the thread would like to see it. If you think I'm scum, persuasively arguing your position is the most pro-Town thing you can do.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:56
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Rascyc posted:I don't think I've ever seen someone say they always read Yuming as scum, that's a new one. Yuming played exactly 1 game before I started and we played in a LOT of games while we cut our teeth on Mafia.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:57
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kilran posted:Like I said, I'm not going into a massive wall o'text. Especially on d1. Okay buttt that's a pretty lame excuse to avoid posting content and I would still like to see more from you when possible.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:59
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Somberbrero posted:I don't feel that in my heart and you used too many big words, but I respect you and your argument. I'm just kidding, I think he's pretty scummy. Reconciling Merk voting CE was something I did some thinking about but I ended up feeling more strongly about scum Merk atm
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merk posted:It has yet to persuade anyone. I don't even really know what you're trying to say. I'd like to respond to it, and I think the thread would like to see it. Plenty of time for you to read it.
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