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Tautologicus posted:ya we have the original greek. if by "preserved" you mean the jews edited key christian citations in the Masoretic text  but the dead sea scrolls were found and they preserve some of the actual earliest manuscripts which align correctly with the septuagint such as psalm 22:16however the DSS still preserves isaiah 7:14 being 'young woman' so 'whoops' on that
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Aug 25, 2014 08:30
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Maoist Pussy posted:Christianity was a necessary step in realizing that god does not exist. if yall read the bible youd know no-gods have existed forever or like people worshipping a variety of gods instead of the One True God. i mean the israelites constantly fail to properly honor god throughout the torah and history books and thats why they get killed off like a million times. the prophets are mostly just dudes whining that nobody takes religion seriously and that everyone will die because of it and they deserve it
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what moron would want to live a good and pleasurable life on earth for a measly 100 years -how pointless let me tell you about how you can live pleasurably forever -how purposeful friend if you have a hankering to put your trust in the superstitious recollections of ancient desert people and want to know more about a religion that strangely seems an amalgamation of previous mythologies and traditions you are in luck Boogaleeboo posted:Did a priest gently caress you as a child or something? of course better wait for everyone to gather round first
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gary oldmans diary posted:mmm interesting yes that does cut so deep tell me more about the bibble and jesus that sounds absolutely fascinating Bro I'm sorry nobody gives a poo poo what you write or what you say or if you live or die and that the Bible is still going to be an important historical document thousands and thousands of years from now, but you need to get over it. You don't matter. The Bible does. That's just the way it is.
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all the arguments people make for god that are even slightly convincing are just arguments for deism, then they just kinda jump from there to jesus without any intervening steps
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Maoist Pussy posted:Christianity was a necessary step in realizing that god does not exist. luckily its been rendered irrelevant and obsolete thanks to newer ideas like rationalism, secularism and the consent of the goverened. good stuff and i'm happy for it
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i didnt read the op, but atheists are just as wrong as theists ok bye
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If Jesus was a hot babe and God was his milfy mom, this whole Christianity thing would be a lot smoother. No one wants to hear about some old fart thinks your an ungrateful poo poo and get a real job. gently caress that whole sausage party crucifixion thing. The only piercings we want to hear about are nipple rings.
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Aug 25, 2014 08:39
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Kyrie eleison posted:if yall read the bible youd know no-gods have existed forever or like people worshipping a variety of gods instead of the One True God. i mean the israelites constantly fail to properly honor god throughout the torah and history books and thats why they get killed off like a million times. gently caress, dude, I am only up to season 2, spoiler that poo poo.
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theres even a slightly different version of the torah held by a group of samaritans lol. so many edits. they just love editing that thing http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/132004/the-other-torah
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Boogaleeboo posted:Bro I'm sorry nobody gives a poo poo what you write or what you say or if you live or die and that the Bible is still going to be an important historical document thousands and thousands of years from now, but you need to get over it. You don't matter. The Bible does. That's just the way it is. i and others find your concerns and thus you yourself quite interesting surely i could not compete woe is me for it having been brought to light tell me more about the bibble as i understand it if i worship this jesus person i get to live forever well golly gee that sounds swell
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Boogaleeboo posted:Bro I'm sorry nobody gives a poo poo what you write or what you say or if you live or die and that the Bible is still going to be an important historical document thousands and thousands of years from now, but you need to get over it. You don't matter. The Bible does. That's just the way it is. It's mostly important because it proves the existence of unicorns.
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gary oldmans diary posted:i and others There are no others. You are alone. You are always going to be alone. quote:tell me more about the bibble as i understand it if i worship this jesus person i get to live forever I'm not a Christian, go ask Kyrie eleison about that.
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Boogaleeboo posted:Bro I'm sorry nobody gives a poo poo what you write or what you say or if you live or die and that the Bible is still going to be an important historical document thousands and thousands of years from now, but you need to get over it. You don't matter. The Bible does. That's just the way it is. Anyone life worth living is necessarily rare, and any important religion is necessarily believed by people who aren't rare.
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Maoist Pussy posted:Anyone life worth living is necessarily rare No life is worth living, and there isn't anything more common than nothing.
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Stoatbringer posted:It's mostly important because it proves the existence of unicorns. haha i didnt even know about that. unicorns are real tho Torka posted:all the arguments people make for god that are even slightly convincing are just arguments for deism, then they just kinda jump from there to jesus without any intervening steps ok well the logic goes something like this, israelites were the first people to recognize the deist truth, but they messed some stuff up so jesus came and explained what was wrong with it. thats it basically
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Boogaleeboo posted:No life is worth living You can't know that unless you are living one. 
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Maoist Pussy posted:You can't know that unless you are living one. You can't know anything.
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value statements aren't a matter of knowledge, if you value your own life then it's valuable
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Torka posted:all the arguments people make for god that are even slightly convincing are just arguments for deism, then they just kinda jump from there to jesus without any intervening steps Christianity's real strength is its ability to adapt and mutate to mimic the contemporary environment it exists in. The vague and contradictory nature of the Bible is a strength, not a weakness. People like Tautologicus and Miltank believe that the non religious world is made in the image of the religious world but it's clearly the other way around.
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Aug 25, 2014 08:55
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Negative Entropy posted:Is there really a meaningful difference between deism (the idea that the universe is governed by unbreakable physical laws) and atheism I don't think that's what deism is, it's definitely not what I meant by it at least I mean something like what thomas paine believed, that there is a mind behind the creation of the universe but it has nothing to do with the god of the abrahamic religions and is largely uninterested in the activities or beliefs of puny humans Torka fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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Aug 25, 2014 08:56
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I donno, believing a giant man up in the sky is controlling all your actions seems pretty stupid. To not believe this makes you clever by comparison? Also didn't read that stupid wall of text.
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If you meant that deism has the same absence of implications about how you should live your life that atheism has then yeah, I agree
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Boogaleeboo posted:There are no others. You are alone. You are always going to be alone.  your white noise posts cut to the bone son
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Torka posted:I don't think that's what deism is, it's definitely not what I meant by it at least how could god not be interested in mankind, god has the capacity to create the universe in all its minute detail but doesn't have the time to be interested in what is almost certainly the most interesting thing in it?
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Kyrie eleison posted:how could god not be interested in mankind, god has the capacity to create the universe in all its minute detail but doesn't have the time to be interested in what is almost certainly the most interesting thing in it? idk I'm not a deist
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I do find the idea that a being vast enough to create the reality we find ourselves in would get anything out of a personal relationship with a human being kind of difficult to believe though it would be like a human wanting a personal relationship with an amoeba, except that isn't a good analogy because the difference between me and a mind capable of designing the universe would actually be far greater than the difference between me and an amoeba
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Torka posted:I don't think that's what deism is, it's definitely not what I meant by it at least Combine that with the indifference, and the difference between deism and atheism is nominal at best.
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we are products of nature, and much of what we attribute significance and meaning to is largely arbitrary. that's no reason to kill yourself or hurt others, why go through all the trouble? that would just be acting out on arbitrary impulses fed to you by society. and it's also no reason to chase pleasure endlessly as if it's going to get you something you want or need in some absolute sense. pleasure destroys sensitivity. i read alot of UG krishnamurti so these thoughts aren't necessarily all original. UG Krishnamurti he's kinda hard to take and not easily understandable to many probably, but he's the only person living or dead that i listen to anymore. the worst thing is fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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Kyrie eleison posted:theres even a slightly different version of the torah held by a group of samaritans lol. so many edits. they just love editing that thing
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Kyrie eleison posted:how could god not be interested in mankind, god has the capacity to create the universe in all its minute detail but doesn't have the time to be interested in what is almost certainly the most interesting thing in it? I highly doubt us humans are anywhere near the most interesting things around.
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A good religion would be called The Greased Fist and to achieve salvation you have to get fisted, by me.
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Torka posted:I do find the idea that a being vast enough to create the reality we find ourselves in would get anything out of a personal relationship with a human being kind of difficult to believe though If I knew that amoebas were sentient, and if I was all powerful, then I would try to have a personal relationship with amoebas. Why not? God is supposed by most monotheists to be all knowing, all powerful, and benevolent. If god had all of those attributes, then he would know that we suffer and would try to stop our suffering. He would know that we wanted answers to what the universe was all about, etc. and he would give them to us. If God was all powerful, then he would be capable of "shrinking" his vast intelligence down enough to be able to interact with us. And if he was benevolent, then he would interact with us.
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Maoist Pussy posted:A good religion would be called The Greased Fist and to achieve salvation you have to get fisted, by me. Various sects of Buddhism and Taoism go in for that sort of thing. No pesky God to deal with either! Go to town.
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The Dennis System posted:If I knew that amoebas were sentient, and if I was all powerful, then I would try to have a personal relationship with amoebas. Why not? God is supposed by most monotheists to be all knowing, all powerful, and benevolent. If god had all of those attributes, then he would know that we suffer and would try to stop our suffering. He would know that we wanted answers to what the universe was all about, etc. and he would give them to us. If God was all powerful, then he would be capable of "shrinking" his vast intelligence down enough to be able to interact with us. And if he was benevolent, then he would interact with us. I would probably accidentally blow up the homeworld of the sentient amoebas and think "aw, man" for 2 seconds and then move on.
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The Dennis System posted:If I knew that amoebas were sentient, and if I was all powerful, then I would try to have a personal relationship with amoebas. Why not? God is supposed by most monotheists to be all knowing, all powerful, and benevolent. If god had all of those attributes, then he would know that we suffer and would try to stop our suffering. He would know that we wanted answers to what the universe was all about, etc. and he would give them to us. If God was all powerful, then he would be capable of "shrinking" his vast intelligence down enough to be able to interact with us. And if he was benevolent, then he would interact with us. Its almost as if the concept of God-the-abstraction is retarded.
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Negative Entropy posted:I dunno if I were God I would probably be too busy having fun fighting in intergalactic space battles to care about sentient amoebas. youre a child
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Kyrie eleison posted:youre a child I think he's just illustrating that a supreme being doesn't give a poo poo what some monkeys on an infinitesimal speck in the universe do
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Why would you think that? People will spend appreciable fractions of their lives watching animals doing crazy poo poo on youtube all day, why would God be any different?
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