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My BP fell tremendously when i finished law school and started practicing.
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Kalman posted:Seriously, not joking, go to a doctor and get it checked just in case. I got put onto medication for 140/100; 180 is dangerous for you both short and long term. (Home kits can be off but they aren't usually all that far off.) I'm on meds now. The first type worked too well and I had my vision go dark in court a few times when getting up, I was real worried I'd pass out, but now all is well due to pills.
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What a drag it is getting old "Cases are different today," I hear ev'ry lawyer say Counsel needs something today to calm him down And though he's not really ill There's a little yellow pill He goes running for the shelter of a lawyer's little helper And it helps him on his way, gets him through his busy day "Cases are different today," I hear ev'ry lawyer say Working weekends for a partner's just a drag So he lights up and gets baked and he gets some Steak n' Shake And goes running for the shelter of a lawyer's little helper And two help him on his way, get him through his 15-hour day Doctor please, some more of these Outside the door, he took four more What a drag it is getting old "Clients just aren't the same today" I hear ev'ry lawyer say They just don't appreciate that you get tired They're so hard to satisfy, You can tranquilize your mind So go running for the shelter of a lawyer's little helper And four help you through the night, help to minimize your plight Doctor please, some more of these Outside the door, he took four more What a drag it is getting old "Practice's just much too hard today," I hear ev'ry lawyer say The pursuit of billable hours just seems a bore And if you take more of those, you will get an overdose No more running for the shelter of a lawyer's little helper They just helped you on your way, through your busy dying day
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Aug 28, 2014 01:12
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Abugadu posted:What a drag it is getting old I love this but I enjoy my job because when I come home I can still do it! And continue 
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Aug 28, 2014 02:22
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I've got two interns right now. This is a really strange experience.
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Aug 28, 2014 02:43
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I love this but I enjoy my job because when I come home I can still do it! And continue No! Work stays at work! Don't do it! You stay at the office if you need to but it does not come home!
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Aug 28, 2014 03:31
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CaptainScraps posted:No! Work stays at work! Don't do it! You stay at the office if you need to but it does not come home! Sometimes I take work home and say to myself that I will do it. Then I get home and end up watching Netflix, playing video games, drinking and doing no work.
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Aug 28, 2014 04:57
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Question for a friend: what is the downside of going somewhere in the top half of the t14 with no debt after if you think you may want to do law?
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Aug 28, 2014 05:26
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Three years is a big commitment for "may want to do law" and you lose 3 years of earning potential. Top 6 gives you more options than other schools though, so who knows. If it's really debt free, do whatever.
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Aug 28, 2014 05:40
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semicolonsrock posted:Question for a friend: what is the downside of going somewhere in the top half of the t14 with no debt after if you think you may want to do law? Putting up with law students for three years is something I should have charged for in retrospect.
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Aug 28, 2014 05:59
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semicolonsrock posted:Question for a friend: what is the downside of going somewhere in the top half of the t14 with no debt after if you think you may want to do law? On the chance you don't graduate with a job in hand, you have about 6-9 months before you start to go into a heavy panic because there's a massive hole on your resume that any potential employer is going to ask about, meaning you're pretty much shut out of biglaw unless you scrape and claw your way through midsize firms (most of whom want at least 1-3 years experience before they'll look at you). Government hiring is still fairly thin, so you may have to set up shop to go solo, which would be fine except they went to a t14 school that teaches you jack poo poo about actual legal work, so they're at a high risk of malpractice.
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Aug 28, 2014 06:01
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Abugadu posted:a high risk of malpractice. To all the aspiring solos out there: You'd be surprised how incompetent you can be and still stay in good standing with the bar. As long as you call people back, sorta kinda, and don't do poo poo with money or signatures, you're alright.
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Aug 28, 2014 06:27
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Soothing Vapors posted:Three years is a big commitment for "may want to do law" and you lose 3 years of earning potential. That's sort of what I thought. Is there any particular upshot to having a law degree in other fields eg government or something similar? I'm just not really sure what they will get out of it if they don't end up liking doing law, or how one is supposed to tell if one will like the law beforehand, given that most other legal roles seem pretty different?
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semicolonsrock posted:That's sort of what I thought. In DC there are a lot of job listings at non-profits, think tanks, and other political organizations that prefer a master's or advanced degree in something related to government or money, and a JD can count as either of those. But then you're just in the same candidate pool as people with other graduate degrees, so you still need to have something separating you from them like knowing somebody or having experience in that area (or have a really convincing cover letter and get lucky). Also I don't think any other region in the country has even close to as many of these governmenty-graduate-degree-preferred job openings as DC. Edit: On that note, management consulting firms tend to count a JD as on par with an MBA or a PhD, putting you in the same candidate pool as those people, which means competing for good jobs with six figures at the top ten or so management consulting firms and high five figures at lower-ranked and smaller firms. MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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Aug 28, 2014 08:47
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Oh yeah good point. I forgot that any advanced degree tends to reset you for management consulting. I assume expert witness consulting might also like JDs? Tho I guess PHDs are really what they want.
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semicolonsrock posted:Oh yeah good point. I forgot that any advanced degree tends to reset you for management consulting. I don't know about expert witness consulting, unfortunately. I left another thing out though, which is that there are also often job listings in DC that are "JD-preferred" or "JD-required", which mean you probably won't practice law, but the employer really wants somebody with a JD doing it, or would at least prefer it if they had their druthers. A good example is being a legal editor or legal writer for Bloomberg BNA or another news source, or being a business agent for a labor union (this is actually an example of a JD-preferred position that employers look for around the country). MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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Aug 28, 2014 09:09
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CaptainScraps posted:No! Work stays at work! Don't do it! You stay at the office if you need to but it does not come home!
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Aug 28, 2014 09:31
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semicolonsrock posted:I assume expert witness consulting might also like JDs? Tho I guess PHDs are really what they want. Most experts don't have JDs - when I go looking for an expert I am looking for a relevant PhD, generally ( occasionally a relevant lower degree, and damages experts are often just MBA or MAcc.). I actually would be less inclined to hire an expert with a JD - with some very specific exceptions which wouldn't apply to someone freshly graduated, the expert's job isn't really to opine on the law and I would rather they didn't force me to tell them to stop talking about the law and start talking about their expertise.
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Aug 28, 2014 12:57
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CaptainScraps posted:No! Work stays at work! Don't do it! You stay at the office if you need to but it does not come home! When you have kids you will want to see them too.
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Aug 28, 2014 13:33
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Phil Moscowitz posted:When you have kids you will want to see them too. That's why you have a playground or something at the office. You can see them on cigarette breaks.
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Aug 28, 2014 14:57
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Ok, sent the first round of invites to anyone who gave me enough info to send one.
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Aug 28, 2014 15:21
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semicolonsrock posted:Question for a friend: what is the downside of going somewhere in the top half of the t14 with no debt after if you think you may want to do law? I hear the Harvard Club in NYC is nice and potentially a good networking opportunity. They have a gym. UVA has access to the Yale Club. Take squash lessons. You could also go to one of these schools without getting a law degree which would probably be a better option.
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Here's a question, do you really want to be a lawyer? Well you can't find out until you go to law school. Spoiler alert: You probably don't want to be a lawyer.
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semicolonsrock posted:Oh yeah good point. I forgot that any advanced degree tends to reset you for management consulting. What is "expert witness consulting"?
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Anyone here do wills and estates? I'm looking to jump ship from litigation to transactional stuff and I'm just curious what your guys experience might be.
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Aug 28, 2014 20:36
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I love this but I enjoy my job because when I come home I can still do it! And continue Cool dude posting.
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Thank you for continuing advice! From bookmarking this thread back when I was thinking about law school I'm encouraging them to do anything else, but the no debt + high t14 thing made me feel like there might be some worthwhile upside. blarzgh posted:What is "expert witness consulting"? Professional expert witnesses? Usually more of a thing for PHDs though. http://expertpages.com/news/new1.htm Lote posted:I hear the Harvard Club in NYC is nice and potentially a good networking opportunity. They have a gym. UVA has access to the Yale Club. Take squash lessons. You could also go to one of these schools without getting a law degree which would probably be a better option. Actually a valid question: if they've already gone to one of these schools, does that dilute the JD premium even more? LordPants posted:Here's a question, do you really want to be a lawyer? Well you can't find out until you go to law school. They've done paralegal stuff at one of the famous biglaw firms, but I don't know how similar working as a paralegal is to actually being a lawyer.
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semicolonsrock posted:I don't know how similar working as a paralegal is to actually being a lawyer. paralegal : lawyer : : nurse : doctor
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Neko Sou posted:Anyone here do wills and estates? I'm looking to jump ship from litigation to transactional stuff and I'm just curious what your guys experience might be. Great work when you can get it. Like loving fantastic work. Good luck getting it.
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Mr. Nice! posted:That's why you have a playground or something at the office. You can see them on cigarette breaks. My dad had toy tractors at his office (he was an ag lawyer). That is what I did on sick days, play with tractors in dads office (moms office was 40mi away from school).
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I had an adult client today born in 1990. Nineteen loving ninety. gently caress. I'm old.
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semicolonsrock posted:Professional expert witnesses? Usually more of a thing for PHDs though. To be a professional expert witness you have to actually be an expert in that field. It's more a side job than a goal, unless your goal is to be the guy who will say anything for a buck.
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woozle wuzzle posted:I had an adult client today born in 1990. Nineteen loving ninety. gently caress. I'm old. Uhm, 1990 is getting old for my clients. 18 is 1996. Jesus gently caress.
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evilweasel posted:To be a professional expert witness you have to actually be an expert in that field. It's more a side job than a goal, unless your goal is to be the guy who will say anything for a buck. This was my point.
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semicolonsrock posted:Actually a valid question: if they've already gone to one of these schools, does that dilute the JD premium even more? I wouldn't say dilute but if you've gone to one of those schools, you shouldn't have networking problems or much real difficulty in finding a finance/consulting/etc. job somewhere outside of law. Either way you cut it a Harvard BS/Yale JD is impressive and you should be able to figure out how to get some sort of ballin' job, legal or otherwise. The one person I know for whom this applies got a job doing comic book law.
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evilweasel posted:To be a professional expert witness you have to actually be an expert in that field. It's more a side job than a goal, unless your goal is to be the guy who will say anything for a buck. Oh, I was thinking places like Compass-Lexecon, NERA, Analysis Group might exist in fields outside of economics? It seemed like those places do like JDs at least a little, though obviously it would need to be paired with some actual expertise. But maybe that's just economics. Lote posted:I wouldn't say dilute but if you've gone to one of those schools, you shouldn't have networking problems or much real difficulty in finding a finance/consulting/etc. job somewhere outside of law. Either way you cut it a Harvard BS/Yale JD is impressive and you should be able to figure out how to get some sort of ballin' job, legal or otherwise. Makes sense! Thanks for the advice team. Personally made the decision not to go to law school (as a person who would not have had it paid for) in large part because of this thread and I should probably give general thanks for that as well. Really enjoy what I'm doing!
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semicolonsrock posted:Oh, I was thinking places like Compass-Lexecon, NERA, Analysis Group might exist in fields outside of economics? It seemed like those places do like JDs at least a little, though obviously it would need to be paired with some actual expertise. But maybe that's just economics. Generally speaking, companies that provide legal expert consultants are, you know, law firms. There's basically no work I can think of for JD experts as external experts as opposed to as lawyers.
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Kalman posted:There's basically no work I can think of for JD experts as external experts as opposed to as lawyers. Very rarely for patent lawyers regarding willful infringement issues. But by the time you've gotten a big enough rep for that, who cares about being an expert anymore?
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