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Joementum posted:It's sort of interesting that all these online outlets seem to wind up with their own Libertarian. Yglesias at Vox, Moody at Yahoo!, Weigel at Slate, Barro at The Upshot, Friedersdorf at the online version of The Atlantic, and Greenwald, of course. I'm probably missing a few more obvious ones. ReindeerF posted:Given what we know about how the Libertarian (it's all capital L where the money's involved) network has been grown, shaped and has spread I've always assumed that these guys are the libertarian version of the conservative pundits and what not that were carefully inserted into, and spread throughout the media. Yglesias, Weigel, Barro and Greenwald, at least, are definitely different than the Fonzie of Freedom crowd at Reason
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Yglesias, Weigel, Barro and Greenwald, at least, are definitely different than the Fonzie of Freedom crowd at Reason Yeah, they're talented enough to get hired elsewhere. Weigel and Moody both had fellowships at Reason, Yglesias had one at the American Prospect, Barro at the Manhattan Institute, Friedersdorf interned for Andrew Sullivan.
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Aug 29, 2014 13:22
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:http://online.wsj.com/articles/nlrb-case-tests-who-employs-contract-workers-1409183483 Also of note, fedex losing their independent contractor case, making the people who actually drive and deliver packages members of the company: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/fedex-independent-contractors_n_5725076.html
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Aug 29, 2014 13:34
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Yglesias had a blog with Ezra Klein that I used to read and was pretty solidly liberal and it's been odd watching them move slowly towards whatever the gently caress they are.
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Aug 29, 2014 13:41
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Joementum posted:Yeah, they're talented enough to get hired elsewhere. Weigel and Moody both had fellowships at Reason, Yglesias had one at the American Prospect, Barro at the Manhattan Institute, Friedersdorf interned for Andrew Sullivan.
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Aug 29, 2014 13:49
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Joementum posted:I've found the content at Vox to be pretty good. I also am a huge sucker for their map posts. The site is being built around getting people to visit it almost exclusively through articles shared on social media - it doesn't even have its own search engine and the front page is just a jumble of a bunch of unrelated topics. It's also being exclusively sponsored by GE at the moment and we'll have to see what they do to pay for the site when that ends.
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Joementum posted:Yeah, they're talented enough to get hired elsewhere. Weigel and Moody both had fellowships at Reason, Yglesias had one at the American Prospect, Barro at the Manhattan Institute, Friedersdorf interned for Andrew Sullivan. Andrew Sullivan has interns?
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Stultus Maximus posted:Andrew Sullivan has interns? Paid interns, at least.
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ufarn posted:And Nate Silver's this weird brand of semi-nihilistic "journalist" who doesn't even vote in election, because of the "conflict of interest" it would create. At least it's a good way to show someone that one vote can matter, I guess.
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Aug 29, 2014 14:11
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Yes, please shut down the government a month before the midterms, Republicans. After all, what better way to cement your reputation in the Hispanic community's minds as "the party who would rather burn everything to the ground than pass an immigration bill"?
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Shageletic posted:Also of note, fedex losing their independent contractor case, making the people who actually drive and deliver packages members of the company: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/fedex-independent-contractors_n_5725076.html This is awesomea and should improve the lives of FedEx driverd a lot. My friend just called about it, she has always wanted to be a UPS driver for their benefits, but poo poo's gon change for her hopefully.
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Alter Ego posted:Yes, please shut down the government a month before the midterms, Republicans. After all, what better way to cement your reputation in the Hispanic community's minds as "the party who would rather burn everything to the ground than pass an immigration bill"? They don't intent to let the Hispanic community vote at all.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:They don't intent to let the Hispanic community vote at all. Yeah Republicans have been pretty open on the since blacks and hispanics want to vote D then gently caress it you can't vote theory. They also don't see how this is super racist. edit: Improve our party platform to change with demographics ,gently caress tha,make it so only older white dudes can vote again.
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Alter Ego posted:Yes, please shut down the government a month before the midterms, Republicans. After all, what better way to cement your reputation in the Hispanic community's minds as "the party who would rather burn everything to the ground than pass an immigration bill"? I honestly wonder if that would generate the rare D wave.
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SirKibbles posted:Yeah Republicans have been pretty open on the since blacks and hispanics want to vote D then gently caress it you can't vote theory. They also don't see how this is super racist. I'm not entirely joking when I say that the GOP's messaging tactics these days remind me uncomfortably of "Stop making me hit you."
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1337JiveTurkey posted:Yglesias had a blog with Ezra Klein that I used to read and was pretty solidly liberal and it's been odd watching them move slowly towards whatever the gently caress they are. Ygglessias is a liberal. He's just not a socialist or terribly progressive. I like Vox. Following Vox and their writers on twitter is a really good way of staying abreast of current events. It's less funny but more effective than just watching the Daily Show like some people I know do for all of their news. What does everyone do for news? I get most of my news from AJA, WaPo, Vox, NYT, etc via Twitter. I'm also partial to wonkette and more editorial sites. I recently subscribed to Jacobin as well Also Joe, did you see the Obama Photoshop'd on Ygglessias's suit tweets? Rygar201 fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Aug 29, 2014 |
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Cythereal posted:In other news, Marco Rubio is suggesting another government shutdown over immigration. Looks like Friday talking points got updated after the McConnell leak.
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I have mixed feelings on Vox. On the one hand, I really should loving hate it because it is just another god damned clickbait site. On the other hand, it actually shows how clickbait can be used with real news to actually inform you about poo poo.
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Rygar201 posted:Ygglessias is a liberal. He's just not a socialist or terribly progressive. I like Vox. Following Vox and their writers on twitter is a really good way of staying abreast of current events. It's less funny but more effective than just watching the Daily Show like some people I know do for all of their news. This question tends to come up every couple of weeks, so maybe there should be something in the OP (that drat fine OP) about it? Anyway, among others, prospect, long form, New Yorker, New York, Atlantic, and google searching for topics I'm interested.
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Doctor Butts posted:I have mixed feelings on Vox. Yeah people treat it like it's a zero sum game for journalism where if you are visiting one site you aren't visiting another. Vox would never be my only source of news and it's not like it prevents me from reading other sites as well. It fulfills what it intends to do very well. People who get super mad about it (like Gawker media) want it to be something it isn't and was never intended to be. Gawker also gets real mad when other Internet sites exist.
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Shear Modulus posted:Here's the phrasing of the question: drat, no poo poo. What if you worded it "Some States want to pass a law that allows employers to fire you for any reason at all and pretty much do anything they want (limiting break times and sick leave, forced unpaid overtime, no collective bargaining) leaving you with no legal recourse. Would you support such a law?"
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BiggerBoat posted:drat, no poo poo. That part at least is not right to work.
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radical meme posted:The Bundy Clan continues to provide comic relief and fodder for late night tv hosts. Let's see here. All ready for school. Got my pen, my paper, my books, my homework, my computer and my lunch. Off I...OH poo poo! I forgot my KNIFE! Number of times I've needed a pocket knife through my entire education: ZERO. computer parts posted:That part at least is not right to work. I get that mixed up all the time.
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computer parts posted:That part at least is not right to work. Yes it is, considering that a union would prevent firings for no reason at all.
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computer parts posted:That part at least is not right to work. Yes, 'at-will' and 'right to work' are frequently confused as they are both really lovely laws that limit employees' actual, factual "freedom to work".
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Paid interns, at least. Say what you will about Sullivan's maddening brand of contradictory politics, when it comes to "future of journalism" type stuff he really does practice what he preaches and tries to be an example to others. He also pretty relentlessly calls out advertorial crap, but unfortunately he's almost literally preaching to the converted and just doesn't have a wide enough reach to matter.
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InequalityGodzilla posted:Probably something to do with the content of his character. I don't think this got any love on the page it was posted, which it deserves. Still though, I don't get why Bundy isn't arrested on sight the second he leaves his ranch. I thought it was against the law to point guns at federal agents.
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Boon posted:Is this a serious post? Someone help me I cannot tell. Pohl posted:I'm rather confused myself. You guys can't read his post history and know he was kidding? Shear Modulus posted:Clickhole Thanks for this. I'd never heard of it.
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Joementum posted:I've found the content at Vox to be pretty good. I also am a huge sucker for their map posts. The site is being built around getting people to visit it almost exclusively through articles shared on social media - it doesn't even have its own search engine and the front page is just a jumble of a bunch of unrelated topics. It's also being exclusively sponsored by GE at the moment and we'll have to see what they do to pay for the site when that ends. Yglesias isn't a libertarian in the slightest. One of his other articles yesterday was that cities aren't doing enough to provide affordable housing and therefore are shedding low income residents and turning to rich playgrounds. Pretty sure he supported something like a trillion dollar stimulus. He's thoroughly liberal. He can say some pretty dumb things from time to time time (his Bangladesh piece a good example, though the core of his point was right) but in general he has pretty sound policy beliefs, I think.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:http://online.wsj.com/articles/nlrb-case-tests-who-employs-contract-workers-1409183483 Thank you!
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So when can we actually expect some executive action on immigration? It's "in the coming weeks" for weeks. I have high anticipation for the conservative freakout.
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kaynorr posted:Say what you will about Sullivan's maddening brand of contradictory politics, when it comes to "future of journalism" type stuff he really does practice what he preaches and tries to be an example to others. He also pretty relentlessly calls out advertorial crap, but unfortunately he's almost literally preaching to the converted and just doesn't have a wide enough reach to matter. Also much credit for him for providing his interns with health insurance as well as a paycheck. Sullivan can be enraging but a lot of his "no really people will take care of people" bullshit seems to come from him believing others will behave the same way he does.
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Amused to Death posted:So when can we actually expect some executive action on immigration? It's "in the coming weeks" for weeks. I have high anticipation for the conservative freakout. At the beginning of Summer they were drafting legal options and making a decision on whether to go forward. News stories said the final decision will be made during or shortly after the August recess.
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Kalman posted:Also much credit for him for providing his interns with health insurance as well as a paycheck. Sullivan can be enraging but a lot of his "no really people will take care of people" bullshit seems to come from him believing others will behave the same way he does. Sullivan probably has the largest subscription-funded site of its kind on the internet, and he can only barely support ten people at most with almost zero original reporting (his schtick is basically aggregation and opinion pieces). I'd say the numbers suggest that regardless of whether or not they want to follow his lead, almost no one in that line of work is in a position to. I'd still maintain that the patronage model of news gathering & reporting is the only one that truly worked, and it relies on people who are simultaneously civic minded and absurdly weather, a vanishingly rare combination. So yes, in addition to all the other reasons to drink today, more affirmation that journalism at every level is well and truly hosed.
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Berke Negri posted:Yglesias isn't a libertarian in the slightest. One of his other articles yesterday was that cities aren't doing enough to provide affordable housing and therefore are shedding low income residents and turning to rich playgrounds. Pretty sure he supported something like a trillion dollar stimulus. He's thoroughly liberal. He can say some pretty dumb things from time to time time (his Bangladesh piece a good example, though the core of his point was right) but in general he has pretty sound policy beliefs, I think. Can you link to the affordable housing article?
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Yglesias is liberal, he just accepts beltway parameters for every issue. Or that was how he operated back when I still paid much attention to him, anyway.
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Vox is bad because they removed the comment sections exposing them as the anti-free speech commies they are.
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Mercury_Storm posted:So why is this guy not in prison yet? He's white.
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Shageletic posted:Also of note, fedex losing their independent contractor case, making the people who actually drive and deliver packages members of the company: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/fedex-independent-contractors_n_5725076.html That's awesome. I was an independent contractor for a year and a half at a sign painting company. It wad great for my boss. We weren't allowed to work for anyone else or he'd fire us, couldn't request days off (I worked 44 days in a row at one point), no holidays or sick leave, no benefits of any kind. 11 hour days were common and we had a couple 18-20 hour days when he promised clients too much. He bought an expensive company truck that nobody could use for work cause he didnt want it dirtied up when he took his motorcycle to the track every few weeks. I lost an entire paycheck because I got a parking ticket during a job and he deducted it. After 14 months with no raises or benefits I managed to sneak in interviews elsewhere and "exercised my right to work". What a horrible practice. E: Oh, and the only reason he gave overtime was because he was already being sued for not providing it for years. It was a perk of the job, he said. You should've seen the amount of childish backtalk they'd give to union guys if we had to share a job site. eggyolk fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Aug 29, 2014 |
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