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Josh Lyman posted:Some prosecutor and judge are in BIG trouble if they pus this hard enough: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11514871/judicial-figures-show-ray-rice-deal-offered-rarely quote:The statistics released Friday by the New Jersey Judiciary show that over the past four years in New Jersey, there have been 15,029 domestic violence cases involving assault. A total of 70 -- less than half of 1 percent of those assault cases -- have wound up in pretrial intervention.
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FizFashizzle posted:There went some careers. More like paid leave. If you looked at all those cases they were probably loving loaded also
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Josh Lyman posted:Some prosecutor and judge are in BIG trouble if they pus this hard enough: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11514871/judicial-figures-show-ray-rice-deal-offered-rarely This is the real scandal.
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Sep 13, 2014 14:18
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Just saw a quote on the espn ticker about the "entire redskins organization" standing by Goodell. :Ironicat
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effectual posted:Just saw a quote on the espn ticker about the "entire redskins organization" standing by Goodell. :Ironicat Yep. quote:ASHBURN, Va. (AP) -- Redskins owner Dan Snyder says he supports NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, stating he "has always had the best interests of football at heart" and "we are fortunate to have him." Douchebags gotta stick together.
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Christ Pseudoscientist posted:Things Mark Davis has never asked Roger Goodell: does my hair look good? Would be dad be proud of me? "Let's focus on stopping violence towards women so we can redirect it to the football field. Preferably after the play has stopped."
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Sep 13, 2014 18:06
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davecrazy posted:This is the real scandal. nope the important issue here is if he originally should have gotten 2 games or 4, not if the NFL is bribing judges
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ironlung posted:nope the important issue here is if he originally should have gotten 2 games or 4, not if the NFL is bribing judges Why would bribery be involved when he had the privilege of being a famous football player? They don't do time for this sort of thing.
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Sep 13, 2014 18:49
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Though it's been obvious forever, it's fascinating to see how the kind of cultural elevation of football competition over civic and moral responsibility that was shown in Bissinger's Friday Night Lights can be correlated from the high school level all the way up to the professionals. This is perhaps the most egregious, popular, and damning example of it that we've ever seen.
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Josh Lyman posted:Some prosecutor and judge are in BIG trouble if they pus this hard enough: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11514871/judicial-figures-show-ray-rice-deal-offered-rarely Probably not really. Rice's legal team probably cost more than what most of those other wife beaters spent on lawyers combined. It's not like rich people getting superior legal treatment is a shunned thing in the justice system.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:26
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Also it's Atlantic City, isn't it government officials jobs not to give a poo poo about crimes?
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Sep 13, 2014 19:29
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Schiano men get the benefit of the doubt here in New Jersey.
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Volkerball posted:Probably not really. Rice's legal team probably cost more than what most of those other wife beaters spent on lawyers combined. It's not like rich people getting superior legal treatment is a shunned thing in the justice system.
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Volkerball posted:Probably not really. Rice's legal team probably cost more than what most of those other wife beaters spent on lawyers combined. It's not like rich people getting superior legal treatment is a shunned thing in the justice system. Quest For Glory II posted:Especially pro football players.
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effectual posted:Just saw a quote on the espn ticker about the "entire redskins organization" standing by Goodell. :Ironicat
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So not only is Goodell douchebag, but it's looking like everyone in the NFL is standing by their man? So... hockey starts soon.
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pathetic little tramp posted:So not only is Goodell douchebag, but it's looking like everyone in the NFL is standing by their man? The thing is the owners can have any stooge they want as commissioner, but I don't think they can have somebody so...eager I guess to look the other way every single time. If he ends up staying, it's not because they don't feel they can make as much money as they would with anybody else in his position (it's football, they could. easily), but because they don't feel they can get away with as much stupid and heinous poo poo as they would with anybody else in his position. And they're probably right. Go Penguins 
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davecrazy posted:Schiano men get the benefit of the doubt here in New Jersey. that 2007 season got rutgers their stadium addition
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Chris James 2 posted:The thing is the owners can have any stooge they want as commissioner, but I don't think they can have somebody so...eager I guess to look the other way every single time. If he ends up staying, it's not because they don't feel they can make as much money as they would with anybody else in his position (it's football, they could. easily), but because they don't feel they can get away with as much stupid and heinous poo poo as they would with anybody else in his position. And they're probably right. The owners are clearly very vested in this fight from a pro-domestic violence perspective, and they will do anything to win that battle. Goodell isn't going anywhere. For real though, he's been commissioner for a long time, and he's friends with everyone, so they're not going to jump ship unless he becomes completely toxic.
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Vertical Lime posted:Ray showed up with his family at his high school What else was he supposed to do?
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Lorini posted:ESPN had an interesting article about that. A sizeable number of NFL fans are mad because 'reality' is interrupting their football game. This was way, way back in the thread but I work with an enormous football fan and he is no Ravens fan but he loving hates that 'political correctness' (his definition of PC issues: domestic violence, drug use, CTE) is currently ruining his sports hobby.
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Sep 14, 2014 14:26
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Cole posted:Ray Rice will be back next year. Goodell will still be commish, nothing will change except a few on field rules and you will still watch. Nope, maybe, yep, nope.
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Sep 14, 2014 14:50
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davecrazy posted:This is the real scandal. This x1000. The idea that the commissioner of the NFL should break out the moral abacus, compare the relative immorality of killing X dogs vs. punching your fiancee vs. screaming racist poo poo vs. getting in a drunken brawl outside a strip club vs. cheating on your taxes vs. almost certainly raping somebody vs. driving a car while high/drunk/texting vs. shooting a gun in a night club but not actually hitting anybody vs. all the other immoral poo poo people can do, and then mete out the appropriate penalty is pants-on-head retarded. Most of the outrage is about Goodell getting the math wrong in this case (and he did, and then lied about it). But even if the commissioner tried to do their best, it's an impossible task -- we spend trillions of dollars (and tons of political effort) on a justice system to do these things, and that barely works. But the commissioner won't. At the very least, they'll be extremely biased because the commissioner of the NFL is by definition a person who was hand-picked by a bunch of ancient, ultra-wealthy white guys to represent their interests. Moral opprobrium should be handed out by the courts (and the people Rice interacts with for the rest of his life). It would be glorious to see Goodell, who desperately wanted to become America's Moral Compass (apparently to protect all that is right and good against marihuana and black men who speak loudly or dance in public), brought down by his hubris. But I'm getting less and less hopeful that we'll see this. Now, there are legitimate "damage to the brand" concerns aside from the "punish the wicked" stuff. But those should be handled by the individual teams rather than the league (which has monopoly power over every reasonably comparable employment opportunity, unlike most other private employers).
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Cole posted:Ray Rice will be back next year. Goodell will still be commish, nothing will change except a few on field rules and you will still watch. Practically speaking, which team is going to poo poo on any reputation they have left to take a 28 year old back who hasn't played in a year?
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mgreen42 posted:Practically speaking, which team is going to poo poo on any reputation they have left to take a 28 year old back who hasn't played in a year? By that point he wouldn't even have played well in two.
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mgreen42 posted:Practically speaking, which team is going to poo poo on any reputation they have left to take a 28 year old back who hasn't played in a year? I worded it poorly. Reinstated would've been better word choice.
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mgreen42 posted:Practically speaking, which team is going to poo poo on any reputation they have left to take a 28 year old back who hasn't played in a year? Someone will kick the tires as long as he hops on Oprah's couch with Janay and tearfully apologizes while talking about how his faith and love for his wife has changed him
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Who gets signed again first: Ray Rice or Tim Tebow?
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mgreen42 posted:Practically speaking, which team is going to poo poo on any reputation they have left to take a 28 year old back who hasn't played in a year? Mike Brown likes "rehab cases". Please don't reinstate this guy.
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Cole posted:Who gets signed again first: Ray Rice or Tim Tebow? Tebow is never coming back, so Rice
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Cole posted:Who gets signed again first: Ray Rice or Tim Tebow? The heat death of the universe will happen first.
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:Tebow is never coming back, so Rice Tebow throwing a dagger into the heart of Stiller nation is one of my top ten football memories.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Tebow throwing a dagger into the heart of Stiller nation is one of my top ten football memories. Wrong Ben
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This whole thing has really damaged my excitement for NFL football. To the point where I'm not even excited about the Cardinals game today. I think this is the beginning of the end of me being a 'fan' of the NFL. I don't mean to sound sanctimonious, I'm not going to tell other people they're bad for watching the NFL or anything like that. I'm sure I'll still watch NFL games here and there, but I don't have the drive for it to be appointment viewing like it was before all this. I know domestic violence isn't a problem endemic to the league and it's more a problem with society as a whole but in order to...'change things', even internally in regards to better empathizing and understanding the problem, there has to be a starting point. I think this is mine.
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quote:Ultraviolet, a woman’s advocacy organization, will fly planes over three football stadiums on Sunday and Monday with the message: “@UltraViolet: #GoodellMustGo.”
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Cole posted:Who gets signed again first: Ray Rice or Tim Tebow? Richie Incognito--he's the only one that's at least mediocre at his position.
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Crow_Robot posted:This whole thing has really damaged my excitement for NFL football. To the point where I'm not even excited about the Cardinals game today. Eh you're not alone - I'm not watching anything today, it's just kind of like every person in the league has been laid bare as horrible as long as Goodell is in a position of power.
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