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merk posted:Beast here. What's up team? Gut here: You're in a game where it will be frowned on if you get mean, so giving yourself a flavorful reason to be flashily obtuse feels like it serves scum-merk meta agendas more than it does town-merk meta agendas. Remind us why you're voting for me?
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A few things that bother me so far:bowmore posted:Oh man this is getting complicated already In addition to that: bowmore posted:I might be wrong KhyrosFinalCut posted:It makes me wish I had a better read on xopods because I think he and I have similar playstyles except he's more explicitly big on game theory, and hammering on QPQ's response in [i]exactly{/i} that way is how I would have kept pressure/train building as scum. In this case, I formed the thought but it didn't quite pass a smell test and so I didn't hit it that way when I voted.
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Token Female posted:I don't really understand what you are trying to say here. Are you trying to say that you think that xopods is also scum with QPQ and he's trying to get on this bandwagon quick? I'm saying that I still think QPQ is scummy as articulated. It is also true that Xopods made a point against QPQ that is the kind of point I would definitely have made as scum if there was steam going on a townie. I considered making exactly xopods' point but I couldn't convince myself that it was on the right side of twisting theories to suit facts vs. the other way around. I don't think there's any evidence that they're scum together, if anything it's seeming to me more like a one of but not both situation. QPQ is my current frontrunner. I'm watching xopods more carefully.
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Magnus Gallant posted:In other news I got a major scum read on Meinberg, revel in how forced these posts read: It looks to me like he thinks that like he's a likely target for getting killed. I've never played with meinberg before. Does meinberg usually come across as scummy in general leading to being lynched often? And if so, is he aware of that?
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:I'm saying that I still think QPQ is scummy as articulated. It is also true that Xopods made a point against QPQ that is the kind of point I would definitely have made as scum if there was steam going on a townie. I considered making exactly xopods' point but I couldn't convince myself that it was on the right side of twisting theories to suit facts vs. the other way around. So it's more of a metagame/gut feeling about xopods? It's still weird to me that you are saying that you were thinking of making the case that xopods made on QPQ, but it's a case that you would make as scum. I know that this is not what you said, but I'm hearing you'd vote for QPQ as scum with a similar case as you are voting for him now, and it makes me feel like you are just throwing out a case for the sake of throwing out a case. Does this make sense?
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Sep 16, 2014 17:36
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Token Female posted:So it's more of a metagame/gut feeling about xopods? It's still weird to me that you are saying that you were thinking of making the case that xopods made on QPQ, but it's a case that you would make as scum. I know that this is not what you said, but I'm hearing you'd vote for QPQ as scum with a similar case as you are voting for him now, and it makes me feel like you are just throwing out a case for the sake of throwing out a case. No, not really tokes. If someone agrees with a case I make in a way that I think might show scummy motivations, I'm going to note it and there's no reason not to say it. It's D1, there's definitely room for multiple theories out there.
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Token Female posted:It looks to me like he thinks that like he's a likely target for getting killed. I've never played with meinberg before. Does meinberg usually come across as scummy in general leading to being lynched often? And if so, is he aware of that? I do tend to come off as scummy to most people, but it leads to lynches surprisingly rarely.
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:No, not really tokes. If someone agrees with a case I make in a way that I think might show scummy motivations, I'm going to note it and there's no reason not to say it. It's D1, there's definitely room for multiple theories out there. Sure I guess, but it didn't sound that why when you first posted that.
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Byers2142 posted:I need advice for my night action. Without going into details, I see two ways I can use it. One is somewhat safer and a more defensive move, one is more dangerous but a decidedly offensive move. Given I don't plan on living long, do y'all favor a risky offense or trying to set up a bit of defense? why are you claiming any role at all oh my gosh, byers Byers2142 posted:Byers: "Hi, guys, I've got a cool power that I need FUEL for that I'm openly talking about in the thread. I've ensured I have FUEL tonight, and I'm obviously planning something." this is exactly why you shouldnt have claimed to have a cool power. why did you do this KhyrosFinalCut posted:This is not a correct reading. Xopods' thoughts are entirely cogent -- he asserts that your non-answer was crafted so that you could hammer on either end of it as the obvious interpretation no matter which way the wind was blowing. Xopods' argument is cogent and I would not normally object to posts like it, except that it came after a subsequent explanation. Excepting a vote by you, I was not under any pressure to explain myself. In fact, the discussion had moved away from myself to a general joking chat about JakeP's playstyle in general. It would be in my best interest to move on as scum. Instead, I addressed your concern and clarified the issue. Xopods' case has merit if the ONLY thing I had posted was about the seriousness of my vote. Between my post and his, however, I had made several subsequent explanations. There's more information to go on that xopods' dismissed. He's either unaware that anything happened, and consequently inattentive, or ignoring data to support his case, in which case he's dishonest. Right now, I lean toward the latter based on his follow-up: quote:I'm not omitting it. I said "in particular." His vote on JakeP seemed a little scummy to begin with, and I don't like his "i always think too much about stupid things" post much either. I'm not building a full case on him at this point, just suspicious, but figured I'd point out the worst thing he's done to cause that suspicion. He's drawing in a second post that supports his suspicions and claiming that it was part of the reason he voted on me, despite no mention of it in his initial vote (1). He's only collecting information that supports him while failing to address posts that seem to contradict his vote. He says that he is "pointing out the worst thing he's done," but that doesn't seem like an honest way to build a case. I also don't like how xopods is apparently trying to distance himself from a bandwagon that he helped start. He is basically drawing attention to issues in the hopes that other people will support them so that he doesn't look committed in the event that I am lynched. JakeP posted:I've correctly identified scum based on their confirmation post not everyone can be mafia superstars like you jake
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Sep 16, 2014 17:58
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Meinberg posted:I do tend to come off as scummy to most people, but it leads to lynches surprisingly rarely. Ok, but then why post: Meinberg posted:should I put myself on the line in order to open the pool for the dayvig? Why volunteer?
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Token Female posted:Sure I guess, but it didn't sound that way when you first posted that. mafia edit.
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Sep 16, 2014 18:00
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QuoProQuid posted:
Pay me $999.99 to take my seminar
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Sep 16, 2014 18:00
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In hindsight, xopods' latest post reminds me of the guy who "is just asking questions." ##unvote for now. I need a moment to think.
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Sep 16, 2014 18:03
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Token Female posted:Ok, but then why post: I'm bad at Mafia, and I think it'd be better for town if I ate a dayvig, rather than someone useful.
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Sep 16, 2014 18:05
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THINKING COMPLETE.......... LOCKING ON TO XOPODS. ##vote: xopods
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Sep 16, 2014 18:07
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The meinberg case is solid and I'll be happy to flip my vote to him if he's a viable lynch for today, but hey seriously, look at KFC:KhyrosFinalCut posted:Re: meinberg -- I'll try to find the citation for the last game I thought this later, but I already commented. He's been a bit vacuous and overwritten but this has not meant scum in the past for him.
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Sep 16, 2014 18:11
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Meinberg posted:I'm bad at Mafia, and I think it'd be better for town if I ate a dayvig, rather than someone useful. You're not bad at mafia, I don't care what your mom and all your family and all your friends and the english speaking world says
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Sep 16, 2014 18:13
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Meinberg posted:I'm bad at Mafia, and I think it'd be better for town if I ate a dayvig, rather than someone useful. stop wallowing in self-pity and play the game. "im bad at mafia" is not an excuse or an explanation.
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Sep 16, 2014 18:16
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Seriously, no one is going to excuse you for scummy behavior just because you say, "I'm bad at this game." If anything, that's going to me more liable to focus on you because that's a lazy excuse I would expect scum to use and because I know your play from other games. You were not like this in Civ II mafia.
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Sep 16, 2014 18:18
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CapnAndy posted:The meinberg case is solid and I'll be happy to flip my vote to him if he's a viable lynch for today, but hey seriously, look at KFC: There's a difference between "he's not scum" and "what I understand people are citing as scummy behavior are not, coming from him, scumtells" I'm saying the latter. Please expand/recap the solid case you're seeing.
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Sep 16, 2014 18:21
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Meinberg posted:I'm bad at Mafia, and I think it'd be better for town if I ate a dayvig, rather than someone useful. This.... yeah okay this is awful
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QuoProQuid posted:Seriously, no one is going to excuse you for scummy behavior just because you say, "I'm bad at this game." If anything, that's going to me more liable to focus on you because that's a lazy excuse I would expect scum to use and because I know your play from other games. You were not like this in Civ II mafia. You're really not arguing in good faith here. I was answering a specific query with that remark, and I can assure you that my reasoning is accurate. And of course I didn't play like this in CivII Mafia, not only was I scum in that game, I had the benefit of two documents to bounce ideas off of before I came into the thread. I'm probably going to need to do a full reread of the game, to tell the truth, which I'll do some point today.
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Sep 16, 2014 18:23
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Im pretty satisfied with my capn andy vote. He tried to get into a pile-on on me, but when he tried to explain it his reasoning was the exact opposite of what he tried to call me on. That fella just wants to find a bandwagon to join. Probably a magneto
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JakeP posted:Im pretty satisfied with my capn andy vote. He tried to get into a pile-on on me, but when he tried to explain it his reasoning was the exact opposite of what he tried to call me on. That fella just wants to find a bandwagon to join. Probably a magneto This is terminator mafia not X-Men mafia
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Magnus Gallant posted:This is terminator mafia not X-Men mafia i havent seen that movie either Meinberg posted:You're really not arguing in good faith here. I was answering a specific query with that remark, and I can assure you that my reasoning is accurate. And of course I didn't play like this in CivII Mafia, not only was I scum in that game, I had the benefit of two documents to bounce ideas off of before I came into the thread. I'm probably going to need to do a full reread of the game, to tell the truth, which I'll do some point today. I'm sorry if you genuinely are this discouraged, but posts such as those are not helpful. No one is going to accept you volunteering to be dayvigged and your subsequent explanation rings hollow. The circumstances between this game and Civ II are different, but you are an experienced player. Votefinder says as much. I guess that if you are scum, I'm asking you not to rely on these arguments because they are cheap and rely on me pitying you. Don't make me feel bad for lynching you. If you are town, have more confidence in yourself. Come on, man.
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QuoProQuid posted:I guess that if you are scum, I'm asking you not to rely on these arguments because they are cheap and rely on me pitying you. Don't make me feel bad for lynching you. If you are town, have more confidence in yourself. Come on, man. Ugh, confidence. Okay, I've reread the thread, got some coffee in me. Two things: Is Mikujin the nickname for someone else? Is it a reference to something? Because as far I can tell, she or he hasn't posted in this thread. CapnAndy posted:The meinberg case is solid and I'll be happy to flip my vote to him if he's a viable lynch for today, but hey seriously, look at KFC: This is a bad post. He's willing to vote for me based on the case on me, but doesn't ascribe to any case in particular. It feels like a very noncommittal stab in my direction, before he switches gears and then turns onto KFC. Admittedly, KFC's post in question is very poorly phrased, but CapnAndy is misinterpreting it, in a way that I feel is deliberate, but that could just be on account of my gut pinging him.
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Mikujin is an old school player, hasn't played in like a year or two. Used to play quite a lot.
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JakeP posted:Im pretty satisfied with my capn andy vote. He tried to get into a pile-on on me, but when he tried to explain it his reasoning was the exact opposite of what he tried to call me on.
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CapnAndy posted:I seriously have never tried to get a pile-on on you and I've never explained it because I never did that, though? Like, what posts are you interpreting as that, because I don't want to vote you at all. You didn't try to initiate a pile on, you tried to jump on one that was forming, without actually paying attention. You said some thing about me asking for fuel, and just because I asked for fuel doesn't mean I am town because scum also need fuel or some silly thing, when I was getting chastised for saying I do not need fuel. You were willing to jump on the lynch jakep pileon without even knowing the reason the pileon was happening.
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Magnus Gallant posted:Mikujin is an old school player, hasn't played in like a year or two. Used to play quite a lot. Is it mean to call him Lurkujin? If so pretend I didnt
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I feel pretty good about Andy being scum though. His defensive reaction to me is the back breaking straw that killed my camel
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JakeP posted:You didn't try to initiate a pile on, you tried to jump on one that was forming, without actually paying attention. You said some thing about me asking for fuel, and just because I asked for fuel doesn't mean I am town because scum also need fuel or some silly thing, when I was getting chastised for saying I do not need fuel. You were willing to jump on the lynch jakep pileon without even knowing the reason the pileon was happening.
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CapnAndy posted:Lol 'kay let's see some quotes You have me mostly convinced, JakeP, but I would like to see some quotes as well. Gotta put in those footnotes!
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CapnAndy posted:Lol 'kay let's see some quotes “Never give in–never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.” -Winston Churchil
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JakeP posted:“Never give in–never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.” -Winston Churchil Gonna need more than that to sway me
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Jake dude it is honestly baffling that you're this mad about me telling you that it's a safe bet that scum need fuel too Like, I still think you're town, but what's going on here bro
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CapnAndy posted:Jake dude it is honestly baffling that you're this mad about me telling you that it's a safe bet that scum need fuel too Im more mad because in my initial madness i broke my hand smashing things
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When looking back at it it looks a lot more innocent than I remember it though. My gut is screaming at me though. Maybe Ishould have lunch
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