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Yuriy posted:i came around on bray wyatt a while back btw, i didn't think the gimmick would work but tubby cult guy with rambling promos oddly works for him Holy poo poo! Miracles do happen everybody! I will admit I'm a little worried Cena might beat Brock in the Cell if they go that way but the flipside is the Cell allows for a lot more heel chicanery so Brock might win that way.
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Haven't seen the PPV yet but I don't get the impression that "nothing" happened or was advanced by that ending. At the very least Seth Rollins is back on the map with that cash in-option, when Brock won the title at Summerslam people were like "lol he might as well leave the briefcase at home until it expires" but now it's kinda open who he will cash it in on.
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Stallion Cabana posted:John Cena gets F5'd through the cage? They can't end the feud with Brock having the title lol
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I think the biggest issue with last night's show is that Night of Champions is a completely pointless PPV and it should really just go from Summerslam to HIAC.
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I wonder what they will do with Rusev after his eventual loss. I want to see a returning Kurt Angle beat him.
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It suffered the same problem as Battleground. "Nothing happens because it's all about the NEXT PPV." I get it, but it doesn't make the PPV I watched any less lame.
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Le Saboteur posted:The only thing I wish they had of changed with the Cena/Lesnar ending would have been to have the MITB cash in go through and just have Lesnar tear apart Rollins. I don't think they are ever actually going to make Rollins "the guy" and it would have been much better than Cena just chasing him off. I think you can get a lot of mileage out of "unworthy heel champion" and I think they intend to do that angle with Rollins.
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Valeyard posted:They can't end the feud with Brock having the title lol Yeah they can. Especially if they want to have him drop it at Mania to Reigns which I had thought was still the plan.
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Sep 22, 2014 18:19
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:I think you can get a lot of mileage out of "unworthy heel champion" and I think they intend to do that angle with Rollins. So the CM Punk early WHC runs then
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Daniel Bryan posted:It suffered the same problem as Battleground. "Nothing happens because it's all about the NEXT PPV." isnt this every ppv apart from mania and summerslam, maybe survivor series?
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AmbassadorFriendly posted:I think you can get a lot of mileage out of "unworthy heel champion" and I think they intend to do that angle with Rollins. I mean, if they're sticking to Lesnar holding onto it until Mania with Reigns going over I don't know where Rollins fits in. Cashing in on Reigns? But then again, I think they're going to cool off on Reigns soon as it seems pretty clear he is not ready.
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Grendels Dad posted:Haven't seen the PPV yet but I don't get the impression that "nothing" happened or was advanced by that ending. At the very least Seth Rollins is back on the map with that cash in-option, when Brock won the title at Summerslam people were like "lol he might as well leave the briefcase at home until it expires" but now it's kinda open who he will cash it in on. It's really cool and hella good booking that the only way we can conceive of a way for monster heel Brock Lesnar to go over against the down on his luck always do the right thing hero John Cena is for him to cheat This man beat the Undertaker's streak but is made to live in fear of John Cena
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Sep 22, 2014 18:21
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Stallion Cabana posted:Yeah they can. Especially if they want to have him drop it at Mania to Reigns which I had thought was still the plan. I can't help but feel any Wrestlemania outcome that isn't Daniel Bryan with the belt is going to backfire horribly, assuming he's back by then.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I can't help but feel any Wrestlemania outcome that isn't Daniel Bryan with the belt is going to backfire horribly, assuming he's back by then. Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan is such an interesting match as a concept I'd even be happy if Bryan lost.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I can't help but feel any Wrestlemania outcome that isn't Daniel Bryan with the belt is going to backfire horribly, assuming he's back by then. Ambrose with the belt?
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Valeyard posted:So the CM Punk early WHC runs then I was thinking more VERY early HHH or Edge's first run with the belt, which were good angles. I wasn't watching when CM Punk first won so I can't tell if you're mocking that idea or not, but to my knowledge those weren't very successful runs.
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That DICK! posted:It's really cool and hella good booking that the only way we can conceive of a way for monster heel Brock Lesnar to go over against the down on his luck always do the right thing hero John Cena is for him to cheat Why do people keep posting poo poo like this? He didn't cower from Cena, nor did he look weak at all. I don't know how you make Brock look stronger without having him win again which yes, is a superior option, but Lesnar beat the poo poo out of Cena and borderline no-sold all of Cena's stuff until the very end after he'd been gradually worn down, and even then Brock was still fighting when Rollins interfered. It's not like he was a dead fish. Also when Brock insta-F5'd Cena at SummerSlam it was a 2.9 count. Cena's insta-AA last night was like a 0.5 count. No one has ever no sold an AA that completely in Cena's career.
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:Ambrose with the belt? He should be beating Rollins for the belt after Rollins cashes in, not Lesnar.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Why do people keep posting poo poo like this? He didn't cower from Cena, nor did he look weak at all. I don't know how you make Brock look stronger without having him win again which yes, is a superior option, but Lesnar beat the poo poo out of Cena and borderline no-sold all of Cena's stuff until the very end after he'd been gradually worn down, and even then Brock was still fighting when Rollins interfered. It's not like he was a dead fish. Brock took something like 6 finishers, including the Curb Stomp which has been fairly protected at this point, last night and still managed to get back up and F5 Cena and walk out of the arena laughing, he couldn't have looked much stronger than that.
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I think Brock should have a very, very lengthy run giving them a chance to actually build up someone that deserves to go over him rather than losing in some gently caress finish The more Brock wrecks people, the better and stronger he looks, the more interesting and meaningful it'll be when he finally does lose. I think it would be dumb for the guy who broke the streak, who broke Cena worse than anyone else to not be an unstoppable monster for as long as possible. Plus brock/heyman own and the more they're involved in the product, the more I tend to enjoy it. Just super saiyan'.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Why do people keep posting poo poo like this? He didn't cower from Cena, nor did he look weak at all. I don't know how you make Brock look stronger without having him win again which yes, is a superior option, but Lesnar beat the poo poo out of Cena and borderline no-sold all of Cena's stuff until the very end after he'd been gradually worn down, and even then Brock was still fighting when Rollins interfered. It's not like he was a dead fish. Maybe because Lesnar only won because of outside interference as recently as, oh, I don't know, 13 hours ago? Like sure you could bring up Summerslam but that was clearly a one-time freebie and Lesnar's ever getting a win that decisive over Cena ever again. That DICK! fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Sep 22, 2014 |
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That DICK! posted:Maybe because Lesnar only won because of outside interference as recently as, oh, I don't know, 13 hours ago? And Brock looked only like he MIGHT lose after 4 AA's and about 5 or 6 STF attempts, while Cena looked like he'd been in a car wreck. What's your point? Both guys were extremely protected last night.
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That DICK! posted:Like sure you could bring up Summerslam but that was clearly a one-time freebie and Lesnar's ever getting a win that decisive over Cena ever again. I can't even think of someone getting a win that decisive over the face of a major promotion like, ever. I'm sure it's happened, but I sure as poo poo haven't seen it. That's an extraordinarily unreasonable standard to hold someone to for being "booked weak".
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Le Saboteur posted:Brock took something like 6 finishers, including the Curb Stomp which has been fairly protected at this point, last night and still managed to get back up and F5 Cena and walk out of the arena laughing, he couldn't have looked much stronger than that. Brock was made to look strong. Cena was made to look strong. Rollins was made to look strong. Charles Robinson was made to look strong. That fat mark in the aqua shirt in the first row was made to look strong. When everybody comes out on top, nothing happens. Maybe it's better for the long term story or whatever but it is boring and not worth watching month to month. Maybe eventually something will happen by the Rumble. And maybe by then I will resubscribe.
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My point is that Lesnar's entire current run arc is "He defeated the Undertaker's streak. He destroyed Cena at Summerslam! Who can beat this unstoppable behemoth?" But now it's "Who can beat this unstoppable behemoth, other than John Cena, who only lost because of outside interference?!"
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Authorman posted:Brock was made to look strong. Cena was made to look strong. Rollins was made to look strong. Charles Robinson was made to look strong. That fat mark in the aqua shirt in the first row was made to look strong. I don't think Rollins looked like anything but a wimp after being chased off by Cena who once again looked like a broken man after this match. I just hope they blow this whole thing off at HIAC. Lesnar/Cena and Rollins/Ambrose in Hell in a Cell matches are pretty easy sells.
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That DICK! posted:My point is that Lesnar's entire current run arc is "He defeated the Undertaker's streak. He destroyed Cena at Summerslam! Who can beat this unstoppable behemoth?" But now it's "Who can beat this unstoppable behemoth, other than John Cena, who only lost because of outside interference?!" Thats assuming you think Cena was getting the 3 count after that onslaught which not even the announcers were selling.
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Huh? The announcers were flipping their poo poo going "FOUR AAS, THAT'S IT IT'S OVER oh Seth Rollins is here"
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You're insane if you think that the narrative going forward outside of maybe Heyman isn't going to be that Cena had Lesnar beat.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTmXBBj6PMQ Maybe they're delaying the next gen version so they can actually update the logos and belts.
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That DICK! posted:My point is that Lesnar's entire current run arc is "He defeated the Undertaker's streak. He destroyed Cena at Summerslam! Who can beat this unstoppable behemoth?" But now it's "Who can beat this unstoppable behemoth, other than John Cena, who only lost because of outside interference?!" You're only seeing that narrative because it's what you want to get mad about. It's absolutely absurd to expect Lesnar to just "Cena at Summerslam" people for the next six months. That'd just get old. It's a fine line to walk between booking a monster heel and booking a foil as a face. If Brock literally squashed Cena again, no title matches until Mania would have any drama associated with them whatsoever, and we're still like 6 months out from Mania.
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Yuriy posted:I think Brock should have a very, very lengthy run giving them a chance to actually build up someone that deserves to go over him rather than losing in some gently caress finish Yeah. He's probably the most legit monster they've ever had. They can realistically portray that you can't "out-fight" him (UFC champion) or out-wrestle him (NCAA wrestling champion), and he isn't a hotshot rookie who can be beaten with "veteran experience" (he's been wrestling for over a decade and beat The Undertaker at Wrestlemania despite the latter's win steak, stupid hair and HD cold sores). I'd love to see them ride him out for a year or more, establishing him as the unbeatable champion of a generation. When he finally loses, it should be to someone they want to establish as a top name for years to come, like Charlotte Flair.
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DeathChicken posted:Huh? The announcers were flipping their poo poo going "FOUR AAS, THAT'S IT IT'S OVER oh Seth Rollins is here" After they were like, would that have been enough to put down Lesnar, we can't be sure.
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DeathChicken posted:Huh? The announcers were flipping their poo poo going "FOUR AAS, THAT'S IT IT'S OVER oh Seth Rollins is here" I literally just watched it and this is wrong. They were ASKING if that was it, and yes they said they thought Brock was beat, but in the next breath they were literally saying "We'll never know." and talking about how Brock isn't human.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:You're only seeing that narrative because it's what you want to get mad about. It's absolutely absurd to expect Lesnar to just "Cena at Summerslam" people for the next six months. That'd just get old. It's a fine line to walk between booking a monster heel and booking a foil as a face. If Brock literally squashed Cena again, no title matches until Mania would have any drama associated with them whatsoever, and we're still like 6 months out from Mania. I don't think it would get old, I think building a dominant champion is something they rarely do and by keeping him on top and crushing any challengers, it gives them a chance to actually build a worthwhile contender which is something they kind of lack right now outside of Cena. Shine posted:Yeah. He's probably the most legit monster they've ever had. They can realistically portray that you can't "out-fight" him (UFC champion) or out-wrestle him (NCAA wrestling champion), and he isn't a hotshot rookie who can be beaten with "veteran experience" (he's been wrestling for over a decade and beat The Undertaker at Wrestlemania despite the latter's win steak, stupid hair and HD cold sores). I'd love to see them ride him out for a year or more, establishing him as the unbeatable champion of a generation. When he finally loses, it should be to someone they want to establish as a top name for years to come, like Charlotte Flair. Same, I also wanna see a good David vs Goliath match because I think Brock would make one of those real fun
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cronox2 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTmXBBj6PMQ badass trailer though
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Shine posted:Yeah. He's probably the most legit monster they've ever had. They can realistically portray that you can't "out-fight" him (UFC champion) or out-wrestle him (NCAA wrestling champion), and he isn't a hotshot rookie who can be beaten with "veteran experience" (he's been wrestling for over a decade and beat The Undertaker at Wrestlemania despite the latter's win steak, stupid hair and HD cold sores). I'd love to see them ride him out for a year or more, establishing him as the unbeatable champion of a generation. When he finally loses, it should be to someone they want to establish as a top name for years to come, like Charlotte Flair. Charlotte Flair beating Brock at Wrestlemania is the best possible option.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I can't help but feel any Wrestlemania outcome that isn't Daniel Bryan with the belt is going to backfire horribly, assuming he's back by then. Crowds only revolt like that if they feel slighted or bored. There are any number of satisfying things Bryan could be doing and as long as it feels organic and not like they're deliberately being deprived of him they'll be fine. Now if they spend the run-up to Mania telling everyone he's a loser who doesn't deserve a title shot we'll have a problem.
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cronox2 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTmXBBj6PMQ I wonder how much it costs to license kid rock songs nowadays.
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