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Count Bleck posted:On the subject of Phoenixes, I wonder if Flame-Wreathed Phoenix is going to be any good now that theres less unconditional removal. It probably improves a little bit, but I still prefer Ashcloud because it just has a built-in "I can't die to a single (non-exile) removal spell" whereas Flame-Wreathed doesn't have that if your opponent chooses to pay tribute.
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Count Bleck posted:On the subject of Phoenixes, I wonder if Flame-Wreathed Phoenix is going to be any good now that theres less unconditional removal.
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Korak posted:One of the pros was saying that some of those 'bad' cards might actually be playable now. I do hope everyone takes another look at Theros block cards and reevaluates them in a format without many 2 mana removal spells. I'm currently looking at 4 drop red creatures to run in my mono red 'control' shell. Basically it uses magma jet/lightning strike/stoke/sarkhan -3 as removal and stormbreath and ember swallower as finishers. Yeah. Ember Swallower. It's currently also running Generator Servant as a method of slamming Sarkhan/Stormbreath on turn 3 and demanding an answer right there. Rabblemaster is in there as a means of making constant threats/taking advantage of the 2/3 damage spells becoming 3/4 if my opponents impulsively block the tokens. Chandra does real work by just letting me filter my deck to the gas, letting Rabblemaster sneak through, but other than her, turn 4, is pretty empty. Besides again 4/5 Bigbutt that becomes large and eats 6 lands. I'm considering taking out two of them for Ashcloud/Flame-Wreathed Phoenix to give the deck a more durable threat.
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Oct 3, 2014 01:06
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Entropic posted:There's no disadvantage to playing it face down if you're swimming in mana, but is there any other morph you could conceivably be playing in a mono-black deck? I guess it could be Ruthless Ripper. I think you could remove the morph ability and the card would have exactly the same level of constructed playability. It's interesting how the whole bluff value of morph plummets like a rock in Constructed for pretty much exactly the reason you stated. In Limited it's interesting because one morph could be a 3/1 and the other a 4/4 lifelinker so which one are you gonna burn when they're tapped out? I realize this isn't something that everyone didn't already know, so I guess what I wanted to add is just that it's a shame they didn't do more work to try and make multiple morphs per deck a widespread thing in Constructed too.
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JerryLee posted:It's interesting how the whole bluff value of morph plummets like a rock in Constructed for pretty much exactly the reason you stated. In Limited it's interesting because one morph could be a 3/1 and the other a 4/4 lifelinker so which one are you gonna burn when they're tapped out? The problem is that constructed level morphs would generally be absolutely busted in limited, so they couldn't make more than a few, and it would only add a bit of guessing in standard if they made several of them the same color. Two random items: how long has it been since a set has had neither dragons nor angels printed in it? And has anyone play tested an Agent of Fates deck yet? It seems with all the cheap removal gone, it gets ridiculously better. Imagine a Sentesen Tactics that annihilates 3 creatures with a single Agent out.
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Oct 3, 2014 02:59
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AlternateNu posted:Two random items: how long has it been since a set has had neither dragons nor angels printed in it? The answer, funnily enough, is 'since Dragon's Maze' (there's no angels in DGM or any of Theros block but there was one dragon in every set of Theros'). Dragon's Maze had Dragonshift which technically produced dragon tokens, but if we count Dragonshift as a dragon then we'd have to count Sarkhan too.
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quote:Two random items: how long has it been since a set has had neither dragons nor angels printed in it? And has anyone play tested an Agent of Fates deck yet? It seems with all the cheap removal gone, it gets ridiculously better. Imagine a Sentesen Tactics that annihilates 3 creatures with a single Agent out. JerryLee posted:It's interesting how the whole bluff value of morph plummets like a rock in Constructed for pretty much exactly the reason you stated. In Limited it's interesting because one morph could be a 3/1 and the other a 4/4 lifelinker so which one are you gonna burn when they're tapped out?
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Oct 3, 2014 03:08
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Rattleclaw Mystic seems like the biggest bluff potential in constructed, since you only need to play one Hooded Hydra or Sagu Mauler in your deck to turn a facedown dude into something they need to respect at least a little bit.
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I'm posting this here as my posting was deleted from MTGS. See if you can guess why.quote:Alice casts Unexpectedly Absent with x = 4 on a Atog. I'm interested in the answer, and particularly, what rule causes it.
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I'm a player getting back into the game after 19 years, and I wasn't at all serious back when I was a teen playing 4E/Ice Age. I have a few questions about card storage: - should I do something to protect all my R/M cards? Like when I see a R/M, should I immediately sleeve it, or even more hardcore, slide it into some kind of plastic binder sleeve page once I'm done using it in my limited deck or running it in a constructed? - do I want to keep my R/M separate for any reason, like trading at a local shop or better security from damage? - what should I do with my C/U foils? Are they worth caring about at all, or should I just put them in the card box with the rest of my stuff?
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Jorath posted:I'm posting this here as my posting was deleted from MTGS. See if you can guess why. I believe the answer is no, because there's no need to maintain the order of cards in a hidden zone. Similarly, when you cast a Brainstorm, you don't have a duty to tell your opponent whether the cards that go on top were in your hand initially or not. So Nalini may shuffle those hidden cards before making the decisions. I have no idea why it got deleted though, what's the reason?
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Oct 3, 2014 04:17
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ShaneB posted:I'm a player getting back into the game after 19 years, and I wasn't at all serious back when I was a teen playing 4E/Ice Age. I have a few questions about card storage: 1) Some R/M cards are worth a lot, but most aren't. I sleeve all my decks(including in Limited) because I prefer shuffling sleeved decks, but it's not important. 2) Yes, you may want to keep R/M separate, either to trade or to sell back to the store. 3) C/U foils are next to worthless except for a few rare cases, which generally consist of those which are Legacy(Type 1.5) playable.
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Elyv posted:1) Some R/M cards are worth a lot, but most aren't. I sleeve all my decks(including in Limited) because I prefer shuffling sleeved decks, but it's not important. I sleeve all my decks too, mainly for shuffling and general ease of use as you mentioned. I meant more for longer-term storage once I take the limited deck apart and then put it into a card box or a binder or something.
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AlternateNu posted:Two random items: how long has it been since a set has had neither dragons nor angels printed in it? And has anyone play tested an Agent of Fates deck yet? It seems with all the cheap removal gone, it gets ridiculously better. Imagine a Sentesen Tactics that annihilates 3 creatures with a single Agent out. I've been pondering a UB heroic type deck focusing on the core of agent of fates, battlefield thaumaturge, hour of need, and icy blast. It seems janky (and bad) as gently caress, but fun for FNM. Hour of need and icy blast play real nicely together, especially with a thaumaturge on the field. Thaumaturge is just such a sweet card and I will be pretty bummed if (when) it never really sees play. Ferocious icy blast for U is pretty insane against all the creature decks out there right now too.
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ShaneB posted:I'm a player getting back into the game after 19 years, and I wasn't at all serious back when I was a teen playing 4E/Ice Age. I have a few questions about card storage: -I don't usually sleeve my bulk rares, but if I have reason to believe it will be worth something after rotation, I'll sleeve it and put it in a binder. Rare lands almost always get sleeves. Cards over $10 get top-loaded. A word of warning, a lot of early cards don't denote rarity directly on the card, and are often unassumingly valuable. It would do you good to do some research on your early collection, especially when it comes to dual lands. -If you plan on trading, this is a good idea. It makes your collection more accessible, and you should probably put them in a binder to make them resistant to wear. -Common/Uncommon foils are not particularly sought after unless they're a key part of modern/legacy decks. If you've got a foil brainstorm, for instance, that could fetch a good trade. Otherwise, don't fret over them.
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Oct 3, 2014 04:48
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Nathan Holliday is playing modern Jeskai Ascendency on stream right now if people want to see how crazy the deck is. http://www.twitch.tv/channelfireball
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Elyv posted:3) C/U foils are next to worthless except for a few rare cases, which generally consist of those which are Legacy(Type 1.5) playable. A few more caveats on this: Any card in foil that gets played in a ton of standard decks can fetch a few bucks. Stuff like Lightning Strike, for example is consistently worth $2ish, because its in so many decks, Stoke the Flames foil is also worth a chunk these days, though neither sees large amounts of play in eternal formats. EDH all stars can also fetch higher prices in foil, even at C/U, and Slivers seem to always be more valuable because some people inexplicably love slivers. Otherwise, most commons and uncommons are pretty worthless, though you can always run into kids like me who want to foil out some fringe deck like their Subsligh, and get some extra trade value out of unplayed stuff.
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Dungeon Ecology posted:-I don't usually sleeve my bulk rares, but if I have reason to believe it will be worth something after rotation, I'll sleeve it and put it in a binder. Rare lands almost always get sleeves. Cards over $10 get top-loaded. A word of warning, a lot of early cards don't denote rarity directly on the card, and are often unassumingly valuable. It would do you good to do some research on your early collection, especially when it comes to dual lands. Thanks. I don't have any cards from the old days. This box of khans is the first magic I've bought in 19 years  I'm loving all the analysis and information the net has to offer in 2014.
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Bugsy posted:Nathan Holliday is playing modern Jeskai Ascendency on stream right now if people want to see how crazy the deck is. That's a mighty fro on that dude. He should pop that violin off the wall between rounds and hit us with a quick sonata.
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Bugsy posted:Nathan Holliday is playing modern Jeskai Ascendency on stream right now if people want to see how crazy the deck is.
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drat dude, I'm glad I cleared my local LGS of Jeskai Ascendancys at $1 a pop. I'll be glad until they ban it, anyways.
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neetengie posted:Wait a minute, I thought the set was going to be released after the pre-release which is tomorrow? A bunch of the Premier events (PTQQs and maybe some other stuff) have been Khans since maint, for (apparently intentional) reasons.
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Oct 3, 2014 05:05
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Jeskai Ascendancy at $3.50+ now. All the other Ascendancy's are at $1 or less. Gonna be great when it gets banned in Modern and crashes to 50 cents.
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This stream is convincing me that the card will eventually get the ban hammer in Modern. It's probably too fast a combo deck for Wizards.
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Brian Wong is leaving LR http://lrcast.com/new-directions/
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Drafted tonight, guy next to me pulls a Sarkhan and a Foil Bloodstained Mire. It was a good night. Except for the part where I got blown out. Also Jeskai Ascendancy at my LGS is 75c. I do think it will get banned but it might be worth a quick flip?!?!
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qbert posted:This stream is convincing me that the card will eventually get the ban hammer in Modern. It's probably too fast a combo deck for Wizards. It is absolutely too fast, and there's nothing they can ban to stop it other than banning the Ascendancy itself. If they ban Glittering Wish the deck can switch to Idyllic Tutor and still go off turn two with a natural Ascendancy draw. All the mana creatures and cantrips can be replaced.
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Rinkles posted:Brian Wong is leaving LR qbert posted:This stream is convincing me that the card will eventually get the ban hammer in Modern. It's probably too fast a combo deck for Wizards.
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Yeah, it's gonna be the Ascendancy. Glittering Wish is a neat card with potential niche applications. Ascendancy is really just a combo piece.
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Nathan still hasn't lost a single game... He just won through a game where his opponent had Anger of the Gods, Snapcaster Mage, Remand, Counterflux, Cryptic Command, 2 Lightning Bolts, Dispel, Electrolyze, and like 8 mana on board.
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Hilariously I think the really broken card in the deck probably isn't wish or ascendancy but Treasure Cruise. In theory the deck is weak to disruption and not THAT much faster than Pyromancer Ascension storm, but getting to play four Ancestral Recall makes up for it big time. I don't really understand what Wizards was thinking when they printed that card.
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qbert posted:Nathan still hasn't lost a single game... Wizards pls Remove Ascendancy.
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qbert posted:This stream is convincing me that the card will eventually get the ban hammer in Modern. It's probably too fast a combo deck for Wizards. Yeah, the Channel Fireball stream is amazing right now, it's Nathan Holiday crushing a modern daily with his Dad supporting in the background. He was about time out G2 (Won G1 Turn 3) against a scapeshift player, he slight of hands with swan song and wish on top, twitch chat says swan song, he gets wish, wishes for guttural response. Guy immediately taps out thinking that the response is only disruption spell, gets blown out by swan song and he manages to combo out for the win with a couple of minutes remaining. Then he gets a high five from his dad.  This deck is awesome, I would make it if it wasn't going to get banned like instantly.
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Bugsy posted:Nathan Holliday is playing modern Jeskai Ascendency on stream right now if people want to see how crazy the deck is.
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Can the Ascendancy deck still win against Meddling Mage and/or Chalice of the Void?
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The fact that Khans has Legacy playable spells (multiple) and one legacy playable creature and a modern build-around powerful enough to warrant a ban is still not enough to keep the usual suspects from slagging it off as the worst set evar on Salvation 
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:The fact that Khans has Legacy playable spells (multiple) and one legacy playable creature and a modern build-around powerful enough to warrant a ban is still not enough to keep the usual suspects from slagging it off as the worst set evar on Salvation Khans is also one of the best sets for Pauper simply due to having a second set of Guildgates for two color decks. Also Treasure Cruise is a common, so that's going to be fun to play against. MTGS is cancer.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:The fact that Khans has Legacy playable spells (multiple) and one legacy playable creature and a modern build-around powerful enough to warrant a ban is still not enough to keep the usual suspects from slagging it off as the worst set evar on Salvation Well, we all know that MTGS is toxic, in fact, is there an internet forum related to magic that isn't completely retarded? I mean apart from here which has it's moments but is relatively decent.
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qbert posted:Can the Ascendancy deck still win against Meddling Mage and/or Chalice of the Void? Also Meddling Mage if you want to name Meddling Mage.
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I find it hilarious that Pact of Negation would actually be a mana generator in this deck, all the value etc.
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