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Pissflaps posted:It's almost as if different people have different opinions. hosed up but true. And sometimes the same people have different opinions which is the bit I find funny.
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CoolCab posted:I much prefer this thread where we all agree that everything is terrible forever, we discuss sensible policy like a government meth monopoly You've said this before but you realise that is the case right now right? Only the NHS can legally distribute amphetamines, they do this via the prescription system.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 10:51 |
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ReV VAdAUL posted:You've said this before but you realise that is the case right now right? Only the NHS can legally distribute amphetamines, they do this via the prescription system. Oh no, I in fact agree with him. I'm just pointing out this: Obliterati posted:I agree it's not a very tasteful solution though for the government to be selling addictive drugs: I'm just saying that if they're going to be sold anyway, can't we at least cut the drug lords out of it? Reliable purity would save a lot of lives in itself and the state's probably capable of delivering at a lower price to boot. is the kind of thing that passes without significant comment in this thread as something the government could possibly do, ever.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 10:54 |
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CoolCab posted:Oh no, I in fact agree with him. I'm just pointing out this: I don't see why this is so absurd, it was how heroin addicts were dealt with before the Misuse of Drugs Act.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:So it is looking like the reason the Spanish nurse got infected with Ebola was because, due to Austerity, Spain had no adequate isolation facility and just used a disused wing of a hospital. Nurses and doctors raised deep concerns about the issue and the government ignored them. Even worse they followed WHO guidelines so literally that when the nurse reported a fever (an early Ebola symptom) she wasn't put in isolation because her fever wasn't high enough.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 11:03 |
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Yeah I would like to see an objective source for that please. While the costs of running such hardcore isolation facilities are pretty high you deal with it by concentrating them. In the UK you'd go to the Royal Free, for example, because that's our designated unit for people with worrying stuff like MERS-CoV or Ebola. I find it a little hard to believe that they'd put every isolation facility in the country into mothballs to save money over the millions of other bits of their healthcare system they could cut.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 11:45 |
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Zephro posted:Do you have a source for that? (Not doubting, just keen to read more). You should be reading the Ebola thread, it's pretty loving grim. Peven Stan posted:Spanish redditors also reporting that their austerity chickens have come home to roost in the form of a gutted public health system that was unable to properly care for the infected priests without a high risk to caregivers themselves: edit: spain's response to ebola was to tape a hazard sticker to the wall and shunt her into a dilapidated building austerity is awesome CoolCab fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Oct 7, 2014 |
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The Grauniad is saying it was a problem with equipment and protocol: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/ebola-crisis-substandard-equipment-nurse-positive-spain quote:Health professionals in Madrid have blamed substandard equipment and a failure to follow protocol as the country works to contain the first case of Ebola contracted outside of west Africa.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 12:04 |
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baka kaba posted:This might actually be useful if they're focusing resources on the trafficking world, because even if they find nothing about Madeline it could help break some of those organisations and ultimately end up helping a lot of people. I think you misunderstood me mate - the 600+ officers was for Alice Gross, not maddie
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 12:06 |
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Saki posted:I miss the Scotland thread. Less hand-wringing. It's easily a big enough enough issue to warrant it's own thread.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 12:33 |
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Crossposting from D&D helps D&D:Coohoolin posted:Hey people, was wondering if you could share some experiences. I'm running a leftie reading group at my uni and I was wondering if anyone else had done something similar and found certain texts to be successful. Our first meeting we did Mao's Combat Liberalism, it went really well as it was short, historically insightful and relevant today as well. Any suggestions for texts that might go over well, especially short ones, would be fantastic. The response has been largely positive and I don't want to ruin it by boring people. Maybe someone here has any good suggestions?
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 12:37 |
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Coohoolin posted:Crossposting from D&D helps D&D: Yes - stop espousing a system that would long since have closed this thread and put a bullet in your head.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 12:58 |
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Jedit posted:Yes - stop espousing a system that would long since have closed this thread and put a bullet in your head.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 13:03 |
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The Collected Posts of the Something Awful United Kingdom Megathread by George R. R. Lowtax
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 13:07 |
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tooterfish posted:Swings and roundabouts. Yes, communism and fascism aren't really all that different when it comes to debate. Everyone should think like Glorious Leader says, smash anyone who doesn't.
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Jedit posted:Yes - stop espousing a system that would long since have closed this thread and put a bullet in your head. isn't the purpose of a reading group usually to critically engage with the text. unless it's really small and poo poo i'm sure at least some of the members weren't card carrying Maoists.
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None of us are Maoists, what the gently caress. Have you even read the text in question?
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 13:16 |
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Cerv posted:isn't the purpose of a reading group usually to critically engage with the text. Yeah, gently caress, most of this thread aren't Maoists (I think they all escaped to Twitter) but there's clearly value in reading Combat Liberalism.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 13:17 |
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I just read Combat Liberalism and actually really liked it. Mao was smarter than people give him credit for. The concept of 'unprincipled peace' as a negative is a good one.
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Coohoolin posted:Crossposting from D&D helps D&D: Harvey's The Enigma of Capital makes for a pretty good Marxist analysis of the financial crisis, it is also pretty short and an easy read.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 13:29 |
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CoolCab posted:Oh no, I in fact agree with him. I'm just pointing out this: Perhaps you should make a list of Correct views for me
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 13:29 |
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I mostly just read texts these days in order to find ways to claim they are sexist, homophobic or racist so I can dismiss them more easily. Makes my debates on Twitter and Tumblr go so much more smoothly.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 13:32 |
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Coohoolin posted:Crossposting from D&D helps D&D: Stop reading trash.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 13:34 |
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Coohoolin posted:Crossposting from D&D helps D&D: What type of liberal is it that supports the revolution just as long as they don't have to read anything that is too long or not entertaining enough? Bonus points for what types Mao "Cult of Personality" Zedong himself was an example of. For substance. Make them read London's 'People of the Abyss' it's historically important and (horrifyingly) still far more relevant to the UK today than Mao's list of conceptual categories hanging off a rigid ideological scaffold. Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals' is worth cherry-picking too.
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Jedit posted:Yes, communism and fascism aren't really all that different when it comes to debate. Everyone should think like Glorious Leader says, smash anyone who doesn't.
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Coohoolin posted:None of us are Maoists, what the gently caress. Have you even read the text in question? Yes. I also understood it, which makes one of us. I don't have it to hand to quote, but it specifically mentions liberals being people who deviate from "correct thought" rather than argue the revolutionary cause as is proper.
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Jedit posted:Yes. I also understood it, which makes one of us. I don't have it to hand to quote, but it specifically mentions liberals being people who deviate from "correct thought" rather than argue the revolutionary cause as is proper. Yeah that's one of the 11 types. The point of having it in a reading group was to see which, if any, of the types could be applied to our experiences as modern socialists, and which ones were dangerous to consider as relevant or not. It was very productive. Cheers for the suggestions, EmptyVessel, I'll give those a look and see what my co-organiser thinks. We set up an Aberdeen Student Left society last year and it's our first year running, so our main goal for now is to get people more interested in leftist politics and willing to engage. The response so far's been great. EDIT: Just got back from meeting my supervisor about my dissertation. Working title for now is "What is the modern proletariat?" It's going to be a good year.
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surely 'who are…' ?
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 14:47 |
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Cerv posted:surely 'who are…' ? It's a conceptual issue as well as a categorical one. Background reading to begin with is Italian Operaismo (Workerism) and 1970s extra-parliamentary Italian politics.
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Coohoolin posted:It's a conceptual issue as well as a categorical one. Background reading to begin with is Italian Operaismo (Workerism) and 1970s extra-parliamentary Italian politics. that's me told
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 15:02 |
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I'm sorry politics can't always be summed up in smug or pedantic one-liners, pissflaps.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 15:02 |
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If only you actually would leave.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:If only you actually would leave. Echo chambers are pretty awesome imo, we should cultivate more.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 15:07 |
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We need more right wing posters (relative to the typical user) in here not less.
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 15:09 |
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Maybe we could have someone who'd rather engage and say why they think trying to apply concepts like proletariat and bourgeoisie nowadays isn't relevant or counterproductive instead of just saying it's silly or whatever.
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Aromatic Stretch posted:We need more right wing posters (relative to the typical user) in here not less. Lol no.
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Saki posted:Echo chambers are pretty awesome imo, we should cultivate more. Saki raises a reasonable point. Clearly, we need more Britain First goons. For balanced discussion, you understand. Has Emden re-regged yet?
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# ? Oct 7, 2014 15:14 |
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no it's great we'll run off all the moderates and then we can elect our own candidates on the strength of all six of us!
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Obliterati posted:Perhaps you should make a list of Correct views for me Noted. I'll make sure its in the OP of the November thread.
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