Pissflaps posted:

It's almost as if different people have different opinions. hosed up but true.

CoolCab posted:

I much prefer this thread where we all agree that everything is terrible forever, we discuss sensible policy like a government meth monopoly

ReV VAdAUL posted:

You've said this before but you realise that is the case right now right? Only the NHS can legally distribute amphetamines, they do this via the prescription system.

Obliterati posted:

I agree it's not a very tasteful solution though for the government to be selling addictive drugs: I'm just saying that if they're going to be sold anyway, can't we at least cut the drug lords out of it? Reliable purity would save a lot of lives in itself and the state's probably capable of delivering at a lower price to boot.

CoolCab posted:

Oh no, I in fact agree with him. I'm just pointing out this:


is the kind of thing that passes without significant comment in this thread as something the government could possibly do, ever.

ReV VAdAUL posted:

So it is looking like the reason the Spanish nurse got infected with Ebola was because, due to Austerity, Spain had no adequate isolation facility and just used a disused wing of a hospital. Nurses and doctors raised deep concerns about the issue and the government ignored them. Even worse they followed WHO guidelines so literally that when the nurse reported a fever (an early Ebola symptom) she wasn't put in isolation because her fever wasn't high enough.

Given the UK has a similar regime of running down the NHS as hard as possible to make privatisation easier and that we're a global transport hub and have a large West African community we are at risk of a similar thing happening here. Therefore it is probably worth getting in touch with your MP to try and get them to raise questions about this so we're as prepared as possible just in case.

Before anyone jumps on me I'm not suggesting a mass Ebola outbreak is imminent or likely in the UK but making sure the UK is as prepared as possible in terms of facilities and protocol, rather than just being fobbed off by government PR. It need not even be malignant behaviour, it could simply be complacence about it just not being a thing that could happen here in which case making sure the lessons from Spain are learnt here before people are put at risk of getting Ebola is of benefit to everyone.

Zephro posted:

Do you have a source for that? (Not doubting, just keen to read more).

Peven Stan posted:

Spanish redditors also reporting that their austerity chickens have come home to roost in the form of a gutted public health system that was unable to properly care for the infected priests without a high risk to caregivers themselves:





The hospital itself had no proper facilities to isolate them and instead reopened a closed wing to do so.

quote:

Health professionals in Madrid have blamed substandard equipment and a failure to follow protocol as the country works to contain the first case of Ebola contracted outside of west Africa.

Health authorities announced on Monday that a Spanish nurse at Madrid’s Carlos III hospital who treated a patient repatriated from Sierra Leone had twice tested positive for Ebola.

Her husband has also been admitted to hospital and is in isolation, while authorities study whether the same needs to be done with others she has been in contact with.

Staff at the hospital told El País that the protective suits they were given did not meet World Health Organisation standards, which specify that suits must be impermeable and include a breathing apparatus. Staff also pointed to latex gloves secured with adhesive tape, as an example of how the suits were not impermeable and noted that they did not have their own breathing equipment.

baka kaba posted:

This might actually be useful if they're focusing resources on the trafficking world, because even if they find nothing about Madeline it could help break some of those organisations and ultimately end up helping a lot of people.

But every time it's on the news I just wish they'd spend the time showing kids who've gone missing recently, that would be infinitely more useful than gawping at some old case that nobody can help with. Hell even Crimewatch indulges in ten-minute rehashes of Maddy news coverage, and focusing on things where the public can actually help is what they're supposed to be doing.

Was there ever a big missing children awareness campaign in this country? I liked that idea of putting pictures on milk cartons in the US, but I guess they stopped doing that because it was harshing people's breakfast buzz

Saki posted:

I miss the Scotland thread. Less hand-wringing.

Coohoolin posted:

Hey people, was wondering if you could share some experiences. I'm running a leftie reading group at my uni and I was wondering if anyone else had done something similar and found certain texts to be successful. Our first meeting we did Mao's Combat Liberalism, it went really well as it was short, historically insightful and relevant today as well. Any suggestions for texts that might go over well, especially short ones, would be fantastic. The response has been largely positive and I don't want to ruin it by boring people.

Coohoolin posted:

Crossposting from D&D helps D&D:


Maybe someone here has any good suggestions?

Jedit posted:

Yes - stop espousing a system that would long since have closed this thread and put a bullet in your head.

tooterfish posted:

Swings and roundabouts.

Jedit posted:

Yes - stop espousing a system that would long since have closed this thread and put a bullet in your head.

Cerv posted:

isn't the purpose of a reading group usually to critically engage with the text.
unless it's really small and poo poo i'm sure at least some of the members weren't card carrying Maoists.

Coohoolin posted:

Crossposting from D&D helps D&D:


Maybe someone here has any good suggestions?

CoolCab posted:

Oh no, I in fact agree with him. I'm just pointing out this:


is the kind of thing that passes without significant comment in this thread as something the government could possibly do, ever.

Coohoolin posted:

Crossposting from D&D helps D&D:


Maybe someone here has any good suggestions?

Coohoolin posted:

Crossposting from D&D helps D&D:

quote:

Hey people, was wondering if you could share some experiences. I'm running a leftie reading group at my uni and I was wondering if anyone else had done something similar and found certain texts to be successful. Our first meeting we did Mao's Combat Liberalism, it went really well as it was short, historically insightful and relevant today as well. Any suggestions for texts that might go over well, especially short ones, would be fantastic. The response has been largely positive and I don't want to ruin it by boring people.

Maybe someone here has any good suggestions?

Jedit posted:

Yes, communism and fascism aren't really all that different when it comes to debate. Everyone should think like Glorious Leader says, smash anyone who doesn't.

Coohoolin posted:

None of us are Maoists, what the gently caress. Have you even read the text in question?

Jedit posted:

Yes. I also understood it, which makes one of us. I don't have it to hand to quote, but it specifically mentions liberals being people who deviate from "correct thought" rather than argue the revolutionary cause as is proper.

Cerv posted:

surely 'who are…' ?

Coohoolin posted:

It's a conceptual issue as well as a categorical one. Background reading to begin with is Italian Operaismo (Workerism) and 1970s extra-parliamentary Italian politics.

Pissflaps posted:

Hijo Del Helmsley posted:

If only you actually would leave.

Aromatic Stretch posted:

We need more right wing posters (relative to the typical user) in here not less.

Saki posted:

Echo chambers are pretty awesome imo, we should cultivate more.

Obliterati posted:

Perhaps you should make a list of Correct views for me