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Applewhite posted:lol you're right under communism I wouldn't be crying in the shower because I would have no running water. what communist societies failed to provide water lol
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:what communist societies failed to provide water lol Meanwhile in Detroit, Michigan, USA no whimsical "lol" from me this time because the richest and most powerful nation in the history of the world fails to provide basic necessities of survival in the year two-thousand-and-fourtreen (lol)
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Oct 16, 2014 18:49
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20th century communism failed p badly in a lot of ways but water infrastructure was not one of them
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SirEvelynTremble posted:I'll say one thing about Stalin - he wasn't into anime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgweofjxZCU
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Oct 16, 2014 19:01
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Look man. I know Scrooge McDuck or whatever other propaganda cartoon made communism look really scary, but you should actually take the time to read up about it and approach it with a non-biased attitude. It offers a lot of useful personal insights as well as ideological. It's a good thing.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:06
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Communism sucks and is stupid, Market Socialism is where its at. The highest highs without the lowest lows man.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:07
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Khrushchevs antistalinist policies doomed the USSR to being subverted and dismantled for personal gain by careerist apparatchiks. come back to us, big joe s. wheres a good purge or two when you need one
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Ambrose Burnside posted:Khrushchevs antistalinist policies doomed the USSR to being subverted and dismantled for personal gain by careerist apparatchiks. come back to us, big joe s. wheres a good purge or two when you need one kill our greatest generals so that we are helpless before the nazi horde.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:12
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~please purge me stalin-sama ^_^;
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Oct 16, 2014 19:13
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The USSR got its rear end kicked by fuckin finland. I own a finnish rifle and its loving cobbled together from WWI and captured soviet parts to put that in perspective.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:14
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUw_aaBjCpE
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Man Whore posted:The USSR got its rear end kicked by fuckin finland, like twice. I own a finnish rifle and its loving cobbled together from WWI and captured soviet parts to put that in perspective. I'm probably gonna actually get some guns and go shooting with my buds sometime during the next year and I've always wanted a Mosin. Are they still dirt cheap?
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Oct 16, 2014 19:17
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Man Whore posted:The USSR got its rear end kicked by fuckin finland. I own a finnish rifle and its loving cobbled together from WWI and captured soviet parts to put that in perspective. lmao yeah with a lot of help from the U.S. it did.
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Tsinava posted:Look man. I know Scrooge McDuck or whatever other propaganda cartoon made communism look really scary, but you should actually take the time to read up about it and approach it with a non-biased attitude. It offers a lot of useful personal insights as well as ideological. It's a good thing. Dude I used to be way into communism back in the day. All reading Marx and such. I even had one of those chinese hats and an authentic Little Red Book from China. Then I actually looked at how the "ideals" of communism have only ever been used by extremely evil men to scam millions of people. Saying "Communism is a good idea in theory" is very much akin to how "homeopathic medicine is a good idea in theory." Magic water that makes you healthy and surgery performed quickly and painlessly by crystals? Sounds awesome. Great idea. Admirable dream. In reality though anyone trying to sell you crytsal surgery is either a chump themselves or deliberately malicious. You will end up with no money and be lucky to survive whatever disease you left untreated.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:20
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Applewhite posted:Dude I used to be way into communism back in the day. All reading Marx and such. I even had one of those chinese hats and an authentic Little Red Book from China. Then I actually looked at how the "ideals" of communism have only ever been used by extremely evil men to scam millions of people. Saying "Communism is a good idea in theory" is very much akin to how "homeopathic medicine is a good idea in theory." It sounds like you were a giant poser.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:22
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Look at my authentic communist merchandise comrades.
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Man Whore posted:The USSR got its rear end kicked by fuckin finland. I own a finnish rifle and its loving cobbled together from WWI and captured soviet parts to put that in perspective. it then kileld the nazis and took over half of europe and made hitler cry and kill himself so
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skeletonotherkin posted:I'm probably gonna actually get some guns and go shooting with my buds sometime during the next year and I've always wanted a Mosin. Are they still dirt cheap? Yes but not as much as they were. You can find a Soviet one for about $130-170 but a Finn is going to cost anywhere between 200-400, its worth it though because the Finns turned that piece of poo poo into some real quality merchandise.
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Applewhite posted:Dude I used to be way into communism back in the day. All reading Marx and such. I even had one of those chinese hats and an authentic Little Red Book from China. Then I actually looked at how the "ideals" of communism have only ever been used by extremely evil men to scam millions of people. Saying "Communism is a good idea in theory" is very much akin to how "homeopathic medicine is a good idea in theory." lol
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Applewhite posted:Dude I used to be way into communism back in the day. it's okay I don't blame you for that - anybody who has benefited from the system is bound to become more and more committed to it. But it doesn't make your opinions correct. you can close your eyes to it if you want, but your lifestyle as a "successful" person living in a first world nation is subsidised by the gross and inhumane exploitation of billions of people around the world, and it is morally indefensible. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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Oct 16, 2014 19:23
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Omi-Polari posted:The revolution will not be televised. But hourly blocks of minor celebrities dancing will. Check and mate, dickjerk.
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Tsinava posted:It sounds like you were a giant poser. I have no illusions about how big a poser I was.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:24
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Applewhite posted:I have no illusions about how big a poser I was. luckily you were saved from poserdom by accepting the light of capitalism and police killin black people
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Oct 16, 2014 19:25
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the soviets built really good assault rifles and fighter airplanes so i'll give it that
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Oct 16, 2014 19:27
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:it then kileld the nazis and took over half of europe and made hitler cry and kill himself so If I remember correctly, something like 70% of soviet trucks were given to them through lend-lease.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:27
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Marx was coached by a guy called Mazzini who was a freemasonic associate of Albert Pike. So Marxism was Pike's baby and Marx was the creepy stepfather who said it was his
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Oct 16, 2014 19:29
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:luckily you were saved from poserdom by accepting the light of capitalism and police killin black people Also warhams
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Omi-Polari posted:it's called buying and selling things. which is what people do naturally when the government doesn't try to stop them like in a 60s-era concrete box of a country like north korea and cuba. Yeah, under normal conditions of existence, people pay for other people to pretend to like them. This is an absolute. Mhm. And of course, greed is good and the only thing that works as well. Uh-huh.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:luckily you were saved from poserdom by accepting the light of capitalism and police killin black people I don't think the second thing is endemic to capitalist countries it seems to happen everywhere regardless of the economic system in place. If anything, police corruption/brutality is verifiably MORE frequent in communist countries.
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Effectronica posted:Yeah, under normal conditions of existence, people pay for other people to pretend to like them. This is an absolute. Mhm. And of course, greed is good and the only thing that works as well. Uh-huh. Considering human greed is an impulse that can never be eliminated, it seems more realistic to go with the system that is actually intended to channel the human greed impulse to productive ends (capitalism) rather than the one that pretends it doesn't exist and also breaks irreparably the first time anyone is even slightly greedy (communism).
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Effectronica posted:Yeah, under normal conditions of existence, people pay for other people to pretend to like them. This is an absolute. Mhm. And of course, greed is good and the only thing that works as well. Uh-huh.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:33
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Man Whore posted:Of course, the only country that surpassed the USSR in production ability was the united states which just goes to show you that socialism mixed with capitalism is the superior form of government even when there is not enough socialism. On the other hand market forces also provide the impetus for innovation that give us interesting new technologies. Commodity fetishism is generally a bad thing, but innovation for its own sake is still good. it takes a better planner than me to untangle all the issues here.
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If you read anything about communism when you were posing as a communist, you would understand that communism does not ignore human greed, and in fact pays an acute amount of attention to it.
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Applewhite posted:Considering human greed is an impulse that can never be eliminated, it seems more realistic to go with the system that is actually intended to channel the human greed impulse to productive ends (capitalism) rather than the one that pretends it doesn't exist and also breaks irreparably the first time anyone is even slightly greedy (communism). Capitalism doesn't "channel greed to productive ends", it declares that all human behaviors are the result of greed, exalts greed as the only thing that works for doing anything, makes greed the underpinning of society and then everyone thinks that the 2008 financial meltdown was an aberration, people trample other people to death on Black Friday, and real wages stagnate for 40 years.
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this is like, socialism 101
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It's actually quite appropriate that most capitalists don't know how capitalism works.
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Tsinava posted:this is like, socialism 101 listen here buddy, I would like it if you didn't contribute to the further muddying of the difference between socialism and communism among the uneducated, thanks.
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Oct 16, 2014 19:37
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Tsinava posted:this is like, socialism 101
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Omi-Polari posted:like big avatars on internet forums. people pay for those. You have an understanding of history and economics that's about high-school level, since you're pretending that buying and selling are what make up capitalism, rather than being an activity that exists across a broad range of economic systems. Even, like, high-school-level econ teaches the basic story of the rise of industrial capitalism, and while that's inaccurate, it's still better than insisting that Rome was a capitalist economy.
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Man Whore posted:listen here buddy, I would like it if you didn't contribute to the further muddying of the difference between socialism and communism among the uneducated, thanks. Communism and socialism use a lot of the same language and terminology. One leads to the other. You can chill.
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