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Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

St. Dogbert posted:

Per the Globe, Ghomeshi's suing the CBC for $50 million. That's, like, its entire funding for the year... with the word "million" attached to the end.

So? You can demand whatever amount you want in damages when you file suit; doesn't mean you get anything close it.

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Geoid
Oct 18, 2005
Just Add Water
The question is what does Jesse Brown know? I've just started listening to his CANADALAND podcast and it's quite good, but he's had a weird relationship with the CBC since he was let go last.

EDIT: New twist


Jian Ghomeshi posted:

Dear everyone,
I am writing today because I want you to be the first to know some news.
This has been the hardest time of my life. I am reeling from the loss of my father. I am in deep personal pain and worried about my mom. And now my world has been rocked by so much more.
Today, I was fired from the CBC.
For almost 8 years I have been the host of a show I co-created on CBC called Q. It has been my pride and joy. My fantastic team on Q are super-talented and have helped build something beautiful.
I have always operated on the principle of doing my best to maintain a dignity and a commitment to openness and truth, both on and off the air. I have conducted major interviews, supported Canadian talent, and spoken out loudly in my audio essays about ideas, issues, and my love for this country. All of that is available for anyone to hear or watch. I have known, of course, that not everyone always agrees with my opinions or my style, but I've never been anything but honest. I have doggedly defended the CBC and embraced public broadcasting. This is a brand I’ve been honoured to help grow.
All this has now changed.
Today I was fired from the company where I've been working for almost 14 years – stripped from my show, barred from the building and separated from my colleagues. I was given the choice to walk away quietly and to publicly suggest that this was my decision. But I am not going to do that. Because that would be untrue. Because I’ve been fired. And because I've done nothing wrong.
I’ve been fired from the CBC because of the risk of my private sex life being made public as a result of a campaign of false allegations pursued by a jilted ex girlfriend and a freelance writer.
As friends and family of mine, you are owed the truth.
I have commenced legal proceedings against the CBC, what’s important to me is that you know what happened and why.
Forgive me if what follows may be shocking to some.
I have always been interested in a variety of activities in the bedroom but I only participate in sexual practices that are mutually agreed upon, consensual, and exciting for both partners.
About two years ago I started seeing a woman in her late 20s. Our relationship was affectionate, casual and passionate. We saw each other on and off over the period of a year and began engaging in adventurous forms of sex that included role-play, dominance and submission. We discussed our interests at length before engaging in rough sex (forms of BDSM). We talked about using safe words and regularly checked in with each other about our comfort levels. She encouraged our role-play and often was the initiator. We joked about our relations being like a mild form of Fifty Shades of Grey or a story from Lynn Coady's Giller-Prize winning book last year. I don’t wish to get into any more detail because it is truly not anyone's business what two consenting adults do. I have never discussed my private life before. Sexual preferences are a human right.
Despite a strong connection between us it became clear to me that our on-and-off dating was unlikely to grow into a larger relationship and I ended things in the beginning of this year. She was upset by this and sent me messages indicating her disappointment that I would not commit to more, and her anger that I was seeing others.
After this, in the early spring there began a campaign of harassment, vengeance and demonization against me that would lead to months of anxiety.
It came to light that a woman had begun anonymously reaching out to people that I had dated (via Facebook) to tell them she had been a victim of abusive relations with me. In other words, someone was reframing what had been an ongoing consensual relationship as something nefarious. I learned – through one of my friends who got in contact with this person – that someone had rifled through my phone on one occasion and taken down the names of any woman I had seemed to have been dating in recent years. This person had begun methodically contacting them to try to build a story against me. Increasingly, female friends and ex-girlfriends of mine told me about these attempts to smear me.
Someone also began colluding with a freelance writer who was known not to be a fan of mine and, together, they set out to try to find corroborators to build a case to defame me. She found some sympathetic ears by painting herself as a victim and turned this into a campaign. The writer boldly started contacting my friends, acquaintances and even work colleagues – all of whom came to me to tell me this was happening and all of whom recognized it as a trumped up way to attack me and undermine my reputation. Everyone contacted would ask the same question, if I had engaged in non-consensual behavior why was the place to address this the media?
The writer tried to peddle the story and, at one point, a major Canadian media publication did due diligence but never printed a story. One assumes they recognized these attempts to recast my sexual behaviour were fabrications. Still, the spectre of mud being flung onto the Internet where online outrage can demonize someone before facts can refute false allegations has been what I've had to live with.
And this leads us to today and this moment. I’ve lived with the threat that this stuff would be thrown out there to defame me. And I would sue. But it would do the reputational damage to me it was intended to do (the ex has even tried to contact me to say that she now wishes to refute any of these categorically untrue allegations). But with me bringing it to light, in the coming days you will prospectively hear about how I engage in all kinds of unsavoury aggressive acts in the bedroom. And the implication may be made that this happens non-consensually. And that will be a lie. But it will be salacious gossip in a world driven by a hunger for "scandal". And there will be those who choose to believe it and to hate me or to laugh at me. And there will be an attempt to pile on. And there will be the claim that there are a few women involved (those who colluded with my ex) in an attempt to show a "pattern of behaviour". And it will be based in lies but damage will be done. But I am telling you this story in the hopes that the truth will, finally, conquer all.
I have been open with the CBC about this since these categorically untrue allegations ramped up. I have never believed it was anyone's business what I do in my private affairs but I wanted my bosses to be aware that this attempt to smear me was out there. CBC has been part of the team of friends and lawyers assembled to deal with this for months. On Thursday I voluntarily showed evidence that everything I have done has been consensual. I did this in good faith and because I know, as I have always known, that I have nothing to hide. This when the CBC decided to fire me.
CBC execs confirmed that the information provided showed that there was consent. In fact, they later said to me and my team that there is no question in their minds that there has always been consent. They said they’re not concerned about the legal side. But then they said that this type of sexual behavior was unbecoming of a prominent host on the CBC. They said that I was being dismissed for "the risk of the perception that may come from a story that could come out." To recap, I am being fired in my prime from the show I love and built and threw myself into for years because of what I do in my private life.
Let me be the first to say that my tastes in the bedroom may not be palatable to some folks. They may be strange, enticing, weird, normal, or outright offensive to others. We all have our secret life. But that is my private life. That is my personal life. And no one, and certainly no employer, should have dominion over what people do consensually in their private life.
And so, with no formal allegations, no formal complaints, no complaints, not one, to the HR department at the CBC (they told us they’d done a thorough check and were satisfied), and no charges, I have lost my job based on a campaign of vengeance. Two weeks after the death of my beautiful father I have been fired from the CBC because of what I do in my private life.
I have loved the CBC. The Q team are the best group of people in the land. My colleagues and producers and on-air talent at the CBC are unparalleled in being some of the best in the business. I have always tried to be a good soldier and do a good job for my country. I am still in shock. But I am telling this story to you so the truth is heard. And to bring an end to the nightmare.

Geoid has issued a correction as of 23:22 on Oct 26, 2014

angerbot
Mar 23, 2004

plob
So I guess Jian posted on his Facebook - whips and chains and a jilted ex. CBC said to be against having a BDSM enthusiast as a top personality. This is gonna get messy :allears:

Less Fat Luke
May 23, 2003

Exciting Lemon
Yeah here's the post:
https://www.facebook.com/jianghomeshi/posts/10152357063881750

I can't imagine them taking a move like this for the reasons he's stating. This is going to be a lot of drama!

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Well this is gonna be awkward

Lumius
Nov 24, 2004
Superior Awesome Sucks
its ghomeshigate, because its important to add -gate to the end of all scandals.

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.
Actually I believe -ghazi is the preferred scandal suffix now.

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




If, and the key here is definitely the if, this bit is accurate then he's definitely got strong grounds for legal action. Very, very strong grounds.

"... have been open with the CBC about this since these categorically untrue allegations ramped up. I have never believed it was anyone's business what I do in my private affairs but I wanted my bosses to be aware that this attempt to smear me was out there. CBC has been part of the team of friends and lawyers assembled to deal with this for months. On Thursday I voluntarily showed evidence that everything I have done has been consensual. I did this in good faith and because I know, as I have always known, that I have nothing to hide. This when the CBC decided to fire me.
CBC execs confirmed that the information provided showed that there was consent. In fact, they later said to me and my team that there is no question in their minds that there has always been consent. They said they’re not concerned about the legal side. But then they said that this type of sexual behavior was unbecoming of a prominent host on the CBC. They said that I was being dismissed for "the risk of the perception that may come from a story that could come out." To recap, I am being fired in my prime from the show I love and built and threw myself into for years because of what I do in my private life.
Let me be the first to say that my tastes in the bedroom may not be palatable to some folks. They may be strange, enticing, weird, normal, or outright offensive to others. We all have our secret life. But that is my private life. That is my personal life. And no one, and certainly no employer, should have dominion over what people do consensually in their private life."

I don't really believe him though, as a friend of mine has an eerily similar story to this one - http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/non-date except from about 2 years ago.

TrueChaos has issued a correction as of 23:56 on Oct 26, 2014

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
Holy poo poo. That is wild.

There is pretty much no way for that decision to work out for the CBC. Worst case you look terrible and also lose in court, best case you just look terrible (and probably settle out of court). Like... wow.

angerbot
Mar 23, 2004

plob
Well now we still have to hear this report that's coming out. Coming sooner rather than later now I'd wager.

mr. unhsib
Sep 19, 2003
I hate you all.
I now regret being curious about this in the first place :(

Boner Pill Connoisseur
Apr 23, 2002

I took the blue pill.

I sincerely doubt Jian is being forthright with us, despite going into messy detail in his own post. I don't care if he's into kink, that's not a problem for an alternative-style host like him. I'm willing to bet he's got Steven Segal-esq dungeon secrets going on here.

crowoutofcontext
Nov 12, 2006

This is like that "Bright Eyes" scandal.

If the ex-truly wishes she never made the allegations in the first place maybe she can publicly retract them?

Geoid
Oct 18, 2005
Just Add Water
Maybe he's such an amazing partner that multiple exes all lined up to fabricate stories of non-consensual abuse because they all want him back and of course bitches be crazy yo and maybe they were all on their period at the time and come on guys you know how women get when it's "that time of the month" and why didn't they go the police because they take these accusations seriously.

Yes. This seems like the most likely explanation.

Generation Internet
Jan 18, 2009

Where angels and generals fear to tread.
Welp, I never wanted to know that much about the talking man on Q but based on everything I just read, including his own defense, I'm glad he's gone.

cheese sandwich
Feb 9, 2009

Wasn't Sook-Yin Lee in some kind of artistic porno at one point? I highly doubt this was the only reason he was let go.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I'd definitely put my money on "that's a lie" as well.

A big personality like him? SURELY they spoke to at least one lawyer before making that decision, and if they really did make the decision based entirely on "well he's into BDSM..." well I have a hard time believing any lawyer or even HR person wouldn't have just shut that idea down.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

I'm interested in seeing if any other exes have similar stories

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I'm guessing there might be something like a "... and one of the exes was 16 years old" sort of thing going unsaid here. Not necessarily that, but something like that. Sort of like when a guy I used to work with said his vice was being a womanizer, and it turns out, after a Google search of his name, that he'd asked a 12-year-old girl for naked pictures and then sent her a picture of his junk. Just enough truth to throw people off the scent, but stopping well short of the whole truth.

Boner Pill Connoisseur
Apr 23, 2002

I took the blue pill.

Slightly Toasted posted:

Wasn't Sook-Yin Lee in some kind of artistic porno at one point? I highly doubt this was the only reason he was let go.

Yeah, and I get the impression she's vocal about such things. So if Sook-Yin doesn't step up to immediately side with him about the dismissal, we'll know that something else is going on and that this isn't a "bedrooms of the nation" scenario.

St. Dogbert
Mar 17, 2011
Yeah, none of this holds up to the smell test. The only way Ghomeshi's account holds up is if the government had some sort of hand in getting rid of him, and you'd think they'd know it wouldn't hold up legally.

Sixfools
Aug 27, 2005

You be the Moon,
I'll be the Earth
And when we burst
Start over, oh, darling

Slightly Toasted posted:

Wasn't Sook-Yin Lee in some kind of artistic porno at one point? I highly doubt this was the only reason he was let go.

I think something similar took place and she was off the air for a while or something

Edit: It's called shortbus

eNeMeE
Nov 26, 2012

TrueChaos posted:

"the risk of the perception that may come from a story that could come out."
Heavily implies they're talking about what he talked about earlier, but doesn't actually say that. The "story that could come out" isn't actually specified. I kinda doubt it's as clear as he's making it out to be.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

HookShot posted:

A big personality like him? SURELY they spoke to at least one lawyer before making that decision, and if they really did make the decision based entirely on "well he's into BDSM..." well I have a hard time believing any lawyer or even HR person wouldn't have just shut that idea down.

Yeah, there's clearly something more serious than 'BDSM sure is weird, anybody could tell you firing somebody for that isn't going to end well.

Even if higher ups at CBC just had some grudge against him, you'd think they would have cut him a few months ago when the big budget cuts came down.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Whiskey Sours posted:

Actually I believe -ghazi is the preferred scandal suffix now.

JianGhazi? :haw:

Anyways I'm kinda waiting for the other shoe to drop on this one. Smart of him to get his side of the story out first though.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Maybe CSEC found out Jian was communicating with IS and planning a jihad. I mean, he's from that general region so....

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

Cultural Imperial posted:

Maybe CSEC found out Jian was communicating with IS and planning a jihad. I mean, he's from that general region so....

Maybe he's Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and has been feeding the existence of al-Baghdadi in the Middle East as a Keyser Söze-type angle... :tinfoil:

FowlTheOwl
Nov 5, 2008

O thou precious owl,
The wise Minervas only fowl
One thing is for sure, Sun TV is going to love this. :regd08:

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

ThirdPartyView posted:

Maybe he's Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and has been feeding the existence of al-Baghdadi in the Middle East as a Keyser Söze-type angle... :tinfoil:

yeah totally, so what are we waiting for? Let's murder everyone in the mid east and central asia.

Minister Robathan
Jan 3, 2007

The Alien Leader of Transportation

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
get it, because shes chinese

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003


Another gem from the man who brought us

I remember reading the Portfoolio collections when I was a kid and thinking Donato had a funny, cute style (especially Joe Clark with his 'lil mittens :3:) but either I was young and naive or he became a tremendous shithead in his old age.

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.
Why is she in a Chinese People's Liberation Army uniform?

saints gambit
Apr 8, 2004
a donut with no holes is a danish
Probably the best possible move by the CBC given some of the scuttlebutt.

The real problem here has nothing to do with whether he's guilty or innocent of whatever accusations will be forthcoming. The reception of the story by the public will be highly divisive and after it's out there the outcry will not favour the CBC in any event. Some people will believe his facebook statement and want to believe that he is not capable of such a thing. Some people will believe the aggrieved parties. Optically the CBC as his employer will lose in either scenario.

It is impossible for them to completely wash their hands of the situation, and being sued for 50 million is no picnic. Being petitioned to both fire and not fire him by the public is probably worse because that way everyone wants to boycott them. A really prolonged scandal would be a red cape to a PC strategist, calling for either concessions from the CBC or its closure.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Hexigrammus posted:

Why is she in a Chinese People's Liberation Army uniform?

I can answer that, it's because

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

I want a Mao suit... :saddowns:

St. Dogbert
Mar 17, 2011

Hexigrammus posted:

Why is she in a Chinese People's Liberation Army uniform?

Because it's the Toronto Sun's cartoonist, and everyone affiliated with that chain of newspapers is a trouser stain.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

PT6A posted:

I'm guessing there might be something like a "... and one of the exes was 16 years old" sort of thing going unsaid here. Not necessarily that, but something like that. Sort of like when a guy I used to work with said his vice was being a womanizer, and it turns out, after a Google search of his name, that he'd asked a 12-year-old girl for naked pictures and then sent her a picture of his junk. Just enough truth to throw people off the scent, but stopping well short of the whole truth.

Now watch this interview, with an eye towards body language, with that subtext in mind:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=flA6A9TtvOo

E:

saints gambit posted:

Probably the best possible move by the CBC given some of the scuttlebutt.

The real problem here has nothing to do with whether he's guilty or innocent of whatever accusations will be forthcoming. The reception of the story by the public will be highly divisive and after it's out there the outcry will not favour the CBC in any event. Some people will believe his facebook statement and want to believe that he is not capable of such a thing. Some people will believe the aggrieved parties. Optically the CBC as his employer will lose in either scenario.

It is impossible for them to completely wash their hands of the situation, and being sued for 50 million is no picnic. Being petitioned to both fire and not fire him by the public is probably worse because that way everyone wants to boycott them. A really prolonged scandal would be a red cape to a PC strategist, calling for either concessions from the CBC or its closure.

Do ya'll in Canada have "unpaid leave pending a full investigation"?

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Yeah, also, I don't think any of you have any idea how hard it is it get fired from a government job.

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

My Imaginary GF posted:

Do ya'll in Canada have "unpaid leave pending a full investigation"?

Yes, but it's not necessary here since they can just can his rear end without any sort of repercussions.

EDIT: Is that cartoon meant to be racist? I thought it was only implying that she's a commie, since those look rather like the fatigues worn by Cuban officials as well. I didn't make the connection to Mao/China at all, but maybe that's because I've spent much more time in Cuba.

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