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Combat Pretzel posted:Yeah, see, that's not in-place updates, since the old crap keeps running, too. What I understand under such a term is to replace code in active processes, and that's just plain not practical. Malcolm XML posted:looks like they might just dump broadwell entirely. Why even bother with Skylake so close and broadwell being essentially a marginal improvement?
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necrobobsledder posted:I think the implication may be that Skylake could be getting delayed because of some of the delays occurring within Broadwell. I'd be very surprised if most Skylake consumer parts don't slip to 2H 2015. We're not going to have any Broadwell in consumer channels until 2Q 2015 now, it almost doesn't make sense to produce Broadwell at all.
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# ? Oct 23, 2014 17:01 |
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Hasn't "The plan" been to just make mobile broadwells (Core-M stuff which is already in production) and skip the desktop versions entirely? Or something of that sort.
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# ? Oct 23, 2014 17:08 |
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Rexxed posted:The CPU will throttle itself at 99 or 100C down to like 800mhz until you stop trying to kill it. I forget the thermal limit but it might be 105C or something on the core? I wouldn't let it sit over 80C for long periods of time but 75 max is not a huge deal and that 80 is more of a personal preference thing (since the temperature monitoring isn't exactly what's on the core it could be warmer inside and I'd guess I have some bad cooling and it might get dusty and kick things up a few degrees or whatever). It's a little warm, sure, but not terrible. How do I know if I am using adaptive voltage?
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# ? Oct 23, 2014 17:22 |
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Knifegrab posted:How do I know if I am using adaptive voltage? Check your BIOS.
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# ? Oct 23, 2014 17:25 |
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Twerk from Home posted:I'd be very surprised if most Skylake consumer parts don't slip to 2H 2015. We're not going to have any Broadwell in consumer channels until 2Q 2015 now, it almost doesn't make sense to produce Broadwell at all. Gwaihir posted:Hasn't "The plan" been to just make mobile broadwells (Core-M stuff which is already in production) and skip the desktop versions entirely? Or something of that sort.
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# ? Oct 23, 2014 18:11 |
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MrYenko posted:I'm now putting together a new machine, because either my motherboard, or the i7 930 @ 4.2 that lives in it has finally given up the ghost. Lots of random crashes, even after I took the overclock out. My Nehalem chip LIVES. LONG LIVE OLD poo poo. It ended up being a bad (read: cheap OCZ) SSD causing weird-rear end crashes. New Samsung drive, and I'ts running like new. Twerk from Home posted:What kind of voltage? That's an absolutely monster overclock, and if you were running high voltages to support it I'd absolutely expect the chip to not be in the best of shape 4 years later. 1.3875v Vcore. I don't really remember most of the settings. I got it stable, and just used the thing. For years. It would run really, really loving hot (~97°C at full load, and I've spiked it even higher a handful of times, on accident,) even with an Evo212. I've abused the gently caress out of this chip, and it still won't die. I think I'm going to dial it back a bit until Skylake comes out, though.
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# ? Oct 24, 2014 22:16 |
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Is Broadwell or Skylark going to offer anything that's going to make me regret getting a Haswell in the next 2/3 months?
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# ? Oct 24, 2014 23:36 |
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Ragingsheep posted:Is Broadwell or Skylark going to offer anything that's going to make me regret getting a Haswell in the next 2/3 months? If you need to ask ... no.
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# ? Oct 25, 2014 01:27 |
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r0ck0 posted:Check your BIOS. I don't have anything called adaptive voltage in my bios but I do have something called adaptive thermal monitor enabled. Is this the same thing? Could it be called Intel speed step technology? Edit: never mind, I found it, all my voltage settings are set to auto, not adaptive, is that OK? Knifegrab fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Oct 25, 2014 |
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Knifegrab posted:I don't have anything called adaptive voltage in my bios but I do have something called adaptive thermal monitor enabled. Is this the same thing? Uh sure its ok, what are you trying to do? I think you might be looking for: Overclocking Megathread 3.11 for Workgroups http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3465021 or Haus of Tech Support http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=170
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# ? Oct 25, 2014 02:45 |
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r0ck0 posted:Uh sure its ok, what are you trying to do? I think you might be looking for: Not Overclocking at all, I just want to stress my cpu to make sure its not having any heat issues. A poster above mentioned that I should run some utilities but only if I am not on adaptive voltage.
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# ? Oct 25, 2014 04:20 |
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Malcolm XML posted:looks like they might just dump broadwell entirely. Why even bother with Skylake so close and broadwell being essentially a marginal improvement? Skylake will be a new chipset and a new memory type, and both will have a premium (probably a pretty big one for the memory) Broadwell will socket right into existing motherboards and use existing, cheap memory. Producing both might seem foolish, but intel has already done all the work to get broadwell to market, so the additional cost of actually making and delivering it is very small by comparison, and there is certainly a segment of the market to fulfill. We still see older pentium and core2 CPU's being made simply to meet a cost:value market niche. I'm betting the performance of skylake and broadwell for most day to day loads, and even for most gaming loads, will be effectively identical.
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# ? Oct 27, 2014 16:49 |
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EoRaptor posted:Broadwell will socket right into existing motherboards* and use existing, cheap memory. *Existing 9 series chipset motherboards.
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# ? Oct 27, 2014 16:51 |
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Jan posted:*Existing 9 series chipset motherboards. Yes, sorry, also only if they get a firmware update and some just wont ever work, etc, etc. I just always assume that will be the case for this type of thing.
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sincx fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Mar 23, 2021 |
# ? Oct 27, 2014 21:40 |
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Anyone want a Xeon Phi 31S1P for atomicthumbs fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Oct 29, 2014 |
# ? Oct 29, 2014 16:56 |
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Will this get me 60fps in farcry 3?
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 17:03 |
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r0ck0 posted:Will this get me 60fps in farcry 3? With 57 cores, how can it not? I suggest buying ten or twenty.
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 17:27 |
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That's bonkers. That's like an 85% discount. Did they fall off a truck?
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 17:53 |
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What is that thing anyway? A GPU that isn't a GPU?
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 18:40 |
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No Gravitas posted:What is that thing anyway? A GPU that isn't a GPU? It's an add in card with 57 Intel Atom cores on it. It's Intel's version of Nvidia's Tesla co-compute cards.
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 18:42 |
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Lowen SoDium posted:It's an add in card with 57 Intel Atom cores on it. It's Intel's version of Nvidia's Tesla co-compute cards. poo poo, sounds pretty cool actually. I don't suppose I can boot Linux on that?
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 18:44 |
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As could be expected for a 270W card with no fan, cooling is *very* important for these. If you're interested, look at the Supermicro 4U passively cooled GPU/Phi chassis to see what they do. No Gravitas posted:poo poo, sounds pretty cool actually. I don't suppose I can boot Linux on that? It runs Linux. You can SSH to it. They aren't Atom cores, they're Original Pentium (P54C) cores without out-of-order execution, 4-way hyperthreading, and an wide-rear end vector unit bolted on. Next-gen will have Atom.
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 19:10 |
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PCjr sidecar posted:As could be expected for a 270W card with no fan, cooling is *very* important for these. If you're interested, look at the Supermicro 4U passively cooled GPU/Phi chassis to see what they do. So it will run GNU Octave 20+ times at once? If so, this is exactly what I need. Except cooling. And power supply. poo poo... Hmm...
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 19:11 |
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No Gravitas posted:So it will run GNU Octave 20+ times at once? You'd need to recompile Octave (the architecture is technically not 'i386/x86_64' but 'k1om'.) There's only 8 GB of RAM on-card, so there may not be enough memory. If you're doing anything but large floating-point matrix algebra you're not going to get very good individual performance (a single core is about 1/10th the performance of a desktop core on integer workloads.) If you compile Octave with the MKL on the host or your desktop you can use the automatic offload to send large matrices to the card for processing automatically. At $150, they're very cheap FLOPS if you can use them.
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 19:28 |
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PCjr sidecar posted:
Ah, you are correct.
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 19:34 |
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That's not something MKL would automatically use if available though, right? It would need to be explicitly redesigned to use it.
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 19:43 |
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Ika posted:That's not something MKL would automatically use if available though, right? It would need to be explicitly redesigned to use it. https://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/11MIC42_How_to_Use_MKL_Automatic_Offload_0.pdf
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 20:17 |
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Someone buy one and tell me if it's legit or if you get a rock in a box. TIA.
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 20:18 |
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KillHour posted:Someone buy one and tell me if it's legit or if you get a rock in a box. TIA. Colfax and Advanced Clustering are legit.
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 20:21 |
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So is this basically what became of the Larrabee project?
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 20:21 |
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KillHour posted:Someone buy one and tell me if it's legit or if you get a rock in a box. TIA. They're on sale everywhere; apparently Intel's about to announce the next generation or something.
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 21:20 |
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Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I want this. What kind of cooling does it need? Does it just plug into PCIe or something? atomicthumbs posted:They're on sale everywhere; apparently Intel's about to announce the next generation or something. Can you give me some links? I think I want one, but I don't want to buy from that company. Some system with a checkout cart and all that, maybe? This is almost exactly what I need for my work.
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 21:30 |
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FYI - There's a 3rd party company selling the same model on Amazon for $80.
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 21:51 |
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The_Franz posted:So is this basically what became of the Larrabee project? Yep. atomicthumbs posted:They're on sale everywhere; apparently Intel's about to announce the next generation or something. Next generation architecture is Knight's Landing, which has been announced earlier this year. The first announced delivery of systems based on those are NERSC and NNSA machines scheduled for delivery in 2016 and I'd be surprised if there was general availability before then. I'd also be surprised if they did a die shrink of Knight's Corner. These are the low-bin Phi parts and I'd guess Intel is fire-saleing them to clear inventory / build the developer community / gently caress with NVIDIA. If they are planning a revision, Supercomputing is in three weeks, I'd expect an announcement there. No Gravitas posted:Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I want this. http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/4U/7048/SYS-7048GR-TR.cfm For four cards, Supermicro has 2 80mm fans front & rear. PCIe Gen 2 + a couple PCIe of video power connectors. quote:Can you give me some links? I think I want one, but I don't want to buy from that company. Some system with a checkout cart and all that, maybe? Linked earlier: http://www.colfaxdirect.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=2642
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PCjr sidecar posted:For four cards, Supermicro has 2 80mm fans front & rear. are four 80mm fans really enough to dissipate 1.08 kilowatts of computing
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atomicthumbs posted:are four 80mm fans really enough to dissipate 1.08 kilowatts of computing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0osWXSfWPsc
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# ? Oct 29, 2014 22:47 |
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atomicthumbs posted:are four 80mm fans really enough to dissipate 1.08 kilowatts of computing Server-grade 80mm fans can push some serious air. Loudly. fakedit: ^^ Good demonstration.
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atomicthumbs posted:are four 80mm fans really enough to dissipate 1.08 kilowatts of computing That should be plenty. These put out about the same amount of heat as a 290x and those work fine with just a single fan blower. It won't be a quiet solution but it will certainly work.
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